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====== Related Manuals and Documentation ====== | ====== Related Manuals and Documentation ====== | ||
- | See the Navigation menu on the upper left of this page. \\ | ||
- | From there you can go to the main Ironhead section menu, the Reference section for general and in-depth procedures, and the Misc Resources for documentation. \\ | ||
Below are some suggestions for manuals for your ride. \\ | Below are some suggestions for manuals for your ride. \\ | ||
- | You should have, at minimum, a Factory Service Manual (FSM) and a Factory Parts Catalog for your year model. \\ | + | __You should have, at minimum, a Factory Service Manual (FSM) and a Factory Parts Catalog for your year model__. \\ |
+ | **Factory Service Manuals (FSM)**; \\ | ||
The FSM will have the most accurate information, procedures and specs. \\ | The FSM will have the most accurate information, procedures and specs. \\ | ||
Clymer and Haynes make service manuals also for Sportsters but some of the information is in error to the factory FSMs. \\ | Clymer and Haynes make service manuals also for Sportsters but some of the information is in error to the factory FSMs. \\ | ||
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So it is generally said you can get use from both an aftermarket manual and the factory service manuals but get the factory manual first. \\ | So it is generally said you can get use from both an aftermarket manual and the factory service manuals but get the factory manual first. \\ | ||
+ | **Parts Catalogs**; \\ | ||
The Parts Catalog has part numbers of course but it also has exploded parts views. \\ | The Parts Catalog has part numbers of course but it also has exploded parts views. \\ | ||
However, IT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE AN ASSEMBLY MANUAL. \\ | However, IT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE AN ASSEMBLY MANUAL. \\ | ||
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But, all in all, the exploded views do help finding what goes where. \\ | But, all in all, the exploded views do help finding what goes where. \\ | ||
Most of the fasteners listed in the relevant parts catalog individual pages have thread sizes and lengths also in case you need those. \\ | Most of the fasteners listed in the relevant parts catalog individual pages have thread sizes and lengths also in case you need those. \\ | ||
+ | **Note: ALL 1957-1978 PARTS CATALOGS LIST PARTS FOR PREVIOUS YEARS**. \\ Below is a simple list of original and "latest edition parts catalogs. | ||
+ | The in-between year books may show different part numbers for the same year model bike. \\ | ||
[[techtalk:miscres:miscres12|Click Here]] to see the Factory Parts Catalog page in the Sportsterpedia for parts catalog uses and a full list of parts catalog numbers from 1957 to present. \\ | [[techtalk:miscres:miscres12|Click Here]] to see the Factory Parts Catalog page in the Sportsterpedia for parts catalog uses and a full list of parts catalog numbers from 1957 to present. \\ | ||
+ | (complete list of other parts catalogs and supplement catalogs that pertain to each year model on the bottom of that page) \\ | ||
Some often acquire several year model parts catalogs and that page will help you decide which ones are right for you. \\ | Some often acquire several year model parts catalogs and that page will help you decide which ones are right for you. \\ | ||
- | [[techtalk:ref:tools803|Click Here]] for the HD List of Ironhead Sportster Hardware P/N & Descriptions page in the Sportsterpedia. \\ | ||
**Suggested Manuals**: \\ | **Suggested Manuals**: \\ | ||
* **Factory Service Manual (FSM)**: | * **Factory Service Manual (FSM)**: | ||
- | * 1979-1985 XL/XR Models 1000cc 4-Speed Service Manual (99484-85) | + | * **Original** (and latest edition): 1979-1985 XL/XR Models 1000cc 4-Speed Service Manual (99484-85) |
* **Factory Parts Catalogs**: | * **Factory Parts Catalogs**: | ||
- | * **Original**: 1979-1985 XL Models Parts Catalog (99451-85) \\ Written in 1984 and should have the closest list of original parts for 1985 models. | + | * **Original**: 1979-1985 XL Models Parts Catalog (99451-85) |
- | * **Updated**: 1979-1985 XL Models Parts Catalog (99451-85A) \\ Written in 1990 and lists parts available in 1990 for 1985 models. \\ | + | * Written in 1984 and should have the closest list of original parts for 1985 models. |
+ | * **Latest Edition**: 1979-1985 XL Models Parts Catalog (99451-85A) | ||
+ | * Written in 1990 and lists parts available in 1990 for 1979-1985 models. | ||
* **Factory Owners Manual**: | * **Factory Owners Manual**: | ||
* 1985 XL Models 1000cc Owners Manual (99466-85) \\ [[https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/search/view-result?id=6414&terms=1985+owners+manual&options.inTitle=true&options.inDescription=true&options.inContent=true|Click Here]] to download this manual PDF (English) from the H-D Service Information Portal. \\ [[https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/content/document/view?id=6416¶meters=highlight%3D1985%2Bowners%2Bmanual&options.inTitle=true&options.inDescription=true&terms=1985+owners+manual&options.inContent=true|Click Here]] to download this manual PDF (Eg/Fr/Gr/Sp) from the H-D Service Information Portal. | * 1985 XL Models 1000cc Owners Manual (99466-85) \\ [[https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/search/view-result?id=6414&terms=1985+owners+manual&options.inTitle=true&options.inDescription=true&options.inContent=true|Click Here]] to download this manual PDF (English) from the H-D Service Information Portal. \\ [[https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/content/document/view?id=6416¶meters=highlight%3D1985%2Bowners%2Bmanual&options.inTitle=true&options.inDescription=true&terms=1985+owners+manual&options.inContent=true|Click Here]] to download this manual PDF (Eg/Fr/Gr/Sp) from the H-D Service Information Portal. | ||
**Pics of Manual Covers**. \\ | **Pics of Manual Covers**. \\ | ||
- | Below are pics of used manual covers related to 1985 model Sportsters. \\ | + | Below are pics of used manual covers (original and latest editions) related to 1985 model Sportsters. \\ |
+ | See the full list of pertinent catalogs in the link above. \\ | ||
Click on any pic below to enlarge: \\ | Click on any pic below to enlarge: \\ | ||
- | | 1979-1985 FSM (99451-85) | 1979-1985 Parts Catalog (99451-85) | 1979-1985 Parts Catalog (99451-85A) | 1985 Owners Manual (99466-85) | | + | | 1979-1985 FSM (99484-85) | 1985 Owners Manual (99466-85) | |
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+ | | 1979-1985 \\ Parts Catalog (99451-85) | 1979-1985 \\ Parts Catalog (99451-85A) | | ||
+ | |{{:sportster_history:l002-pc-1985_edition_cover_99451-85_for_1979-1985.jpg?direct&200|}}|{{:sportster_history:l002-pc-1985_edition_cover_99451-85a_for_1979-1985.jpg?direct&200|}}| | ||
===== The Ironhead Multi-Year Parts Catalog Curse ===== | ===== The Ironhead Multi-Year Parts Catalog Curse ===== | ||
- | The parts catalogs can be a lifesaver in many situations as mentioned above. \\ | ||
- | They can also drive you mad at times due to the many errors and discrepancies in them largely due to the compounding amount if information they contain. \\ | ||
- | Most Ironhead parts catalogs are multi-year catalogs (many year spans of Sportster models in the same book). \\ | ||
- | There were many model and parts changes, company turmoil's and policies from the beginning Sportster years thru the end of the Ironhead era. \\ | ||
- | One can only imagine what it took to keep up with the all of the new HD models and changes for one year (especially before the digital revolution). \\ | ||
- | We're talking typewriters, pencils and erasers, drawings made by hand or on drafting tables (T-squares and straight edges) in the early days. \\ | ||
- | And at the same time having accurate "current production parts" information for all previous HD models down to the early 1950s. \\ | ||
- | All of the new information went into the next year catalogs. \\ | ||
- | (including what parts in production "today" will fit all of their HD models from 5, 10, 15 years ago depending on the year in question) \\ | ||
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- | Whatever the exact reasons were, the end result was confusion placed on the end user trying to decide what parts go on their specific year model Sportster. \\ | ||
- | (obviously it wasn't grins and giggles for the dealerships deciphering the parts catalogs on their end also) \\ | ||
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Below is a summary of an article on the Sportsterpedia Parts Catalogs page regarding parts book errors. \\ | Below is a summary of an article on the Sportsterpedia Parts Catalogs page regarding parts book errors. \\ | ||
You can also read the full article from this link: [[techtalk:miscres:miscres12#the_ironhead_multi-year_parts_catalog_curse|The Ironhead Multi-Year Parts Catalog Curse]]. \\ | You can also read the full article from this link: [[techtalk:miscres:miscres12#the_ironhead_multi-year_parts_catalog_curse|The Ironhead Multi-Year Parts Catalog Curse]]. \\ | ||
+ | Due to all of the errors and non corrected editions, it's always a good idea to acquire several year parts catalogs surrounding your year model. \\ | ||
+ | Which year catalogs you'll need will depend on many factors but the main Parts Catalog page in the Sportsterpedia will help you decide which ones you need. \\ | ||
+ | [[techtalk:miscres:miscres12|Click Here]] to see the Parts Catalog page. A full chart of all the parts catalogs made for Ironheads is at the bottom of the page. \\ | ||
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* Not all multi-year catalogs will list factory installed parts on your bike. | * Not all multi-year catalogs will list factory installed parts on your bike. | ||
* You may need several year catalogs to determine factory installed parts for your year model. | * You may need several year catalogs to determine factory installed parts for your year model. | ||
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* There may be misleading information about parts that fit your year model. | * There may be misleading information about parts that fit your year model. | ||
* Fastener lengths and thread pitch may change depending on catalog used. | * Fastener lengths and thread pitch may change depending on catalog used. | ||
- | * The MoCo knew about and tried to correct at least some of the parts catalog mistakes | + | * The MoCo knew about and tried to correct at least some of the parts catalog mistakes. |
+ | ===== Misc Resources in the Sportsterpedia ===== | ||
+ | There are links to many factory service bulletins, parts and accessory bulletins plus information on part numbers and casting numbers in the Sportsterpedia. \\ | ||
+ | [[techtalk:menu#misc_resources|Click Here]] for the Misc Resource section for more information. \\ | ||
- | ====== Illustrations ====== | + | ===== Illustrations ===== |
The following illustrations are displayed for historic and period specific parts identification only. Refer to the original OEM documents for additional information. ((illustrations from various academic journals)) \\ | The following illustrations are displayed for historic and period specific parts identification only. Refer to the original OEM documents for additional information. ((illustrations from various academic journals)) \\ | ||
Click on any illustration below to enlarge. \\ | Click on any illustration below to enlarge. \\ | ||
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====== Models ====== | ====== Models ====== | ||
- | ====== XLH 1100 ====== | + | ===== XLH 1100 ===== |
What is the Current KBB Value? ((http://www.kbb.com/motorcycles/harley-davidson/xlh-sportster-1000/1985-harley-davidson-xlh-sportster-1000/trade-in/)) | What is the Current KBB Value? ((http://www.kbb.com/motorcycles/harley-davidson/xlh-sportster-1000/1985-harley-davidson-xlh-sportster-1000/trade-in/)) | ||
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- | ====== XLS 1100 Roadster ====== | + | ===== XLS 1100 Roadster ===== |
What is the Current KBB Value? ((http://www.kbb.com/motorcycles/harley-davidson/xls-roadster-1000/1985-harley-davidson-xls-roadster-1000/trade-in/)) | What is the Current KBB Value? ((http://www.kbb.com/motorcycles/harley-davidson/xls-roadster-1000/1985-harley-davidson-xls-roadster-1000/trade-in/)) | ||
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- | ===== Engine ===== | + | ==== Engine ==== |
85 XLS (( photos by iNSaNeSHaNe of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?page=72&t=1750617 )) \\ | 85 XLS (( photos by iNSaNeSHaNe of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?page=72&t=1750617 )) \\ | ||
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- | ====== XLX 1100 - 61 ====== | + | ===== XLX 1100 - 61 ===== |
What is the Current KBB Value? ((http://www.kbb.com/motorcycles/harley-davidson/xlx-61/1985-harley-davidson-xlx-61/trade-in/)) | What is the Current KBB Value? ((http://www.kbb.com/motorcycles/harley-davidson/xlx-61/1985-harley-davidson-xlx-61/trade-in/)) | ||