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====== EVO: Carburetor, Intake Manifold & Exhaust ====== | ====== EVO: Carburetor, Intake Manifold & Exhaust ====== | ||
====== Overview - Basic Stock Carb Model Info ====== | ====== Overview - Basic Stock Carb Model Info ====== | ||
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From 1986-1987, the stock Sportster carburetor was a Keihin 34mm, fixed-venturi " | From 1986-1987, the stock Sportster carburetor was a Keihin 34mm, fixed-venturi " | ||
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In 1989 and thru 2006, the Keihin CV40 carburetors were produced with an accelerator pump to smooth out initial throttle response. | In 1989 and thru 2006, the Keihin CV40 carburetors were produced with an accelerator pump to smooth out initial throttle response. | ||
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- | \\ | + | ====== Keihin Butterfly (non-CV) Carburetor (Stock on L1976-1987 Sportsters) ====== |
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* The throttle body casting contains an integral venturi and a fuel valve seat that is pressed into the body. The underside of the throttle body contains a boss. The main jet screws into the boss and holds the bleed tube in place.((-1978 HD XL/ | * The throttle body casting contains an integral venturi and a fuel valve seat that is pressed into the body. The underside of the throttle body contains a boss. The main jet screws into the boss and holds the bleed tube in place.((-1978 HD XL/ | ||
* **Operation**: | * **Operation**: | ||
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* Factory preset idle mixture | * Factory preset idle mixture | ||
* VOES port | * VOES port | ||
- | * Evaporative port **Note**: | + | * Evaporative port **Note**: For those sold for use in California (as part of the evaporative emissions kit) the fuel overflow fitting was capped and the overflow line was removed. ((HD Service Bulletin #M-905 dated August 26, 1985)) |
===== Factory Keihin Butterfly (non-CV) 34mm Carb by Sportster Model/Year ===== | ===== Factory Keihin Butterfly (non-CV) 34mm Carb by Sportster Model/Year ===== | ||
- | Note: Carb B83H was also used on 1983 Sportster models. | + | Note: Carb B83H was also used on 1983 Sportster models. See a full list of all known Harley Keihin butterfly carbs here [[: |
- | ^Sportster Model^Year | + | ^Sportster Model^Year Carb Used^HD Part Number^Flange Number^ |
- | |XL 883 (50 state)|1986-1987|27501-86A ((-1987 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 21)) |B83H|155|52| | | | + | |XL 883 (50 state)|1986-1987|27501-86A ((-1987 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 21)) |B83H|155|52| | | |
- | |XL 1100 (50 state)|1986|27502-86A ((-1987 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 21)) |B83H|155|52| | | | + | |XL 1100 (50 state)|1986|27502-86A ((-1987 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 21)) |B83H|155|52| | | |
- | |XL 1100 (50 state)|1987|27502-86B ((-1987 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 21)) |B83H|150|52| | | | + | |XL 1100 (50 state)|1987|27502-86B ((-1987 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 21)) |B83H|150|52| | | |
* Main & Slow jet sizes are the same (86-87) 883 & (86) 1100. BUT - Due to internal differences, | * Main & Slow jet sizes are the same (86-87) 883 & (86) 1100. BUT - Due to internal differences, | ||
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* 27329-83 - .52mm | * 27329-83 - .52mm | ||
- | |Carb Idle Speed|900 RPM ((Clymer Sportster Repair Manual 1959-1985)) | + | |Carb Idle Speed|900 RPM ((Clymer Sportster Repair Manual 1959-1985)) |
- | |Torque Specs ((-2010 Haynes Sportster Service and Repair Manual pgs 3.1-3.2)) | + | |Torque Specs ((-2010 Haynes Sportster Service and Repair Manual pgs 3.1-3.2)) |
|1986-1987|Carb to Intake Manifold Bolts |15-17 in/lbs (20-23 NM)| | |1986-1987|Carb to Intake Manifold Bolts |15-17 in/lbs (20-23 NM)| | ||
| * |Intake Manifold Flange to Cylinder Head Bolts/ | | * |Intake Manifold Flange to Cylinder Head Bolts/ | ||
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Interesting discussion here: [[https:// | Interesting discussion here: [[https:// | ||
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- | ====== Keihin BD / Screaming Eagle Carb ====== | + | |
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- | * Used in the Screaming Eagle Package line from HD as an Evolution XLH HI-FLO Carburetor & Air Cleaner. The carb was a (27001-88) | + | |
- | * The kit Number is 29081-90C for 86 and later Sportsters. Carb stamping is (27FA) plus a 4 character date code. | + | |
- | * Adjustable Accelerator Pump stroke | + | |
- | * Incorporated a special intake manifold to carb spacer that had to be drilled and tapped (1/4 x 28) in the side for included Voes connection adapter | + | |
- | * Required a 1987 replacement style intake manifold for 1988 and up models | + | |
- | * Required possible grinding of the right rear corner of the front cylinder head, due to interference with the carburetor throttle pulley and cable guides, for proper clearance ((https:// | + | |
- | * Build kits and the bowl gasket are obsolete and hard to find. | + | |
- | * The bowl gasket (27013-85) has been found at JW Boon.com but not the build kit. \\ [[https:// | + | |
- | * Dennis Kirk sells a kit that looks to have the correct bowl O-ring included under Parts Unlimited branding. Kit (1003-1671). \\ [[https:// | + | |
- | * Parts Unlimited shows kit# 175288 (1003-1671) as a replacement for the stock paper gasket | + | |
- | * Speed Supplies.com has a listing for the bowl O-ring (27013-85) although there is no pic of it. ((LenC of the XLFORUM https:// | + | |
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- | ^ JET PART NUMBERS & SIZES (IN MM) FOR KEIHIN BD CARBURETORS | + | |
- | ^Slow Jet ^Size| ^Int. Air/Fuel Jet^Size | + | |
- | |27383-88|42| |27113-87|Blank*| |27106-85|1.30| | + | |
- | |27302-84|50| |27109-87|55 | + | |
- | |27329-83|52| |27172-89|60* | + | |
- | |27284-85|55| |27110-87|80 | + | |
- | |27310-85|58| |27111-87|1.00 | + | |
- | |27318-85|60| |27112-87|1.20 | + | |
- | |27283-85|62| |27173-89|1.70 | + | |
- | |27896-79|65| | || |27134-89|1.70| | + | |
- | |27894-78|68*| | || | || | + | |
- | |27895-87|70| | || | || | + | |
- | |27897-78|72| | || | || | + | |
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- | ^ XLH Hi-Flo Carburetor and Air Cleaner Kit (29081-90C) Parts List ^^^^^| | + | |
- | |Item Description|Part No.|Item Description|Part No.|Item Description|Part No.| | + | |
- | |VOES fitting|29190-85|Backplate|29075-91|Crankcase breather hose fitting|29034-85| | + | |
- | |Gasket|27022-88|Button head screw|927A|O-ring|11110| | + | |
- | |Manifold spacer|29275-88|Support spacer, \\ small I.D.|6786|Hose clamp|9946| | + | |
- | |Carburetor assembly|27001-88|Support spacer, \\ large I.D.|6785|Venturi|29148-90| | + | |
- | |Allen head bolts|3485A|Hex head bolt|3427|Air cleaner element|29025-88B| | + | |
- | |Washer|6702|Allen head bolt|3587A|Vacuum hose kit|26553-94| | + | |
- | |Lockwasher|7041|Washer|6333|Air cleaner trim|29024-88| | + | |
- | |Air cleaner adapter|27041-90|Washer|6738|Bowl O-ring|27013-85| | + | |
- | |Allen head bolt|885A|Gasket|27077-78|Rebuild Kit|91731-85A \\ See [[: | + | |
- | |Nut|7686|Lockwasher|7068| | | | + | |
- | |Washer|6228W|Air cleaner cover spacer|31523-88| | | | + | |
- | |Carburetor gasket|27044-90|Counter-sunk allen head screw|3795| | | | + | |
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====== Keihin CV 40mm Carb (1988-2006) ====== | ====== Keihin CV 40mm Carb (1988-2006) ====== | ||
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* Constant velocity, gravity fed - has a float-operated inlet valve and a vacuum-operated variable venturi (movable slide). | * Constant velocity, gravity fed - has a float-operated inlet valve and a vacuum-operated variable venturi (movable slide). | ||
- | * Both the CV40 and CVK carbs are made by Keihin in Japan. But only the CV is specific to a Harley and has the bar and shield and HD name on the side. ((CVPerformance of the XLFORUM https:// | + | * Both the CV40 and CVK carbs are made by Keihin in Japan. But only the CV is specific to a Harley and has the bar and shield and HD name on the side. ((CVPerformance of the XLFORUM https:// |
^Torque Specs^^| | ^Torque Specs^^| | ||
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|**XL883** (Cal)|1988|27504-88 \\ No Accel Pump|165 / 35|(27116-88) - (27117-88)|N65B (27092-88)| | |**XL883** (Cal)|1988|27504-88 \\ No Accel Pump|165 / 35|(27116-88) - (27117-88)|N65B (27092-88)| | ||
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|**XL883 Hug** (Cal)|1988|27504-88 \\ No Accel Pump|165 / 35|(27116-88) - (27117-88)|N65B (27092-88)| | |**XL883 Hug** (Cal)|1988|27504-88 \\ No Accel Pump|165 / 35|(27116-88) - (27117-88)|N65B (27092-88)| | ||
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|HDI / Swiss|1992|27503-92|160 / 42|(27152-89) - (27171-89)|N72F(27169-89)| | |HDI / Swiss|1992|27503-92|160 / 42|(27152-89) - (27171-89)|N72F(27169-89)| | ||
|HDI / Swiss|1993-1994|27503-92A|160 / 40|(27152-89) - (27281-92)|N65J(27187-93)| | |HDI / Swiss|1993-1994|27503-92A|160 / 40|(27152-89) - (27281-92)|N65J(27187-93)| | ||
- | |HDI|1995-1997|27031-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|N65J (27187-93)((Not listed in 1997 Parts Catalog)) | + | |HDI|1995-1997|27031-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|N65J (27187-93)((Not listed in 1997 Parts Catalog)) |
|HDI|1998|27031-95A|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKD (27242-95)| | |HDI|1998|27031-95A|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKD (27242-95)| | ||
|HDI|1999-2000|27031-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKD (27242-95)| | |HDI|1999-2000|27031-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKD (27242-95)| | ||
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|HDI / Swiss|1992|27503-92|160 / 42|(27152-89) - (27171-89)|N72F(27169-89)| | |HDI / Swiss|1992|27503-92|160 / 42|(27152-89) - (27171-89)|N72F(27169-89)| | ||
|HDI / Swiss|1993-1994|27503-92A|160 / 40|(27152-89) - (27281-92)|N65J(27187-93)| | |HDI / Swiss|1993-1994|27503-92A|160 / 40|(27152-89) - (27281-92)|N65J(27187-93)| | ||
- | |HDI|1995-1997|27031-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|N65J (27187-93)((Not listed in 1997 Parts Catalog)) | + | |HDI|1995-1997|27031-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|N65J (27187-93)((Not listed in 1997 Parts Catalog)) |
|HDI|1998|27031-95A|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKD (27242-95)| | |HDI|1998|27031-95A|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKD (27242-95)| | ||
|HDI|1999-2000|27031-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKD (27242-95)| | |HDI|1999-2000|27031-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKD (27242-95)| | ||
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|HDI / Swiss|1993-1994|27503-92A|160 / 40|(27152-89) - (27281-92)|N65J(27187-93)| | |HDI / Swiss|1993-1994|27503-92A|160 / 40|(27152-89) - (27281-92)|N65J(27187-93)| | ||
|HDI|1995|27076-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|N65J(27187-93)| | |HDI|1995|27076-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|N65J(27187-93)| | ||
- | |Swiss ((all models: 95-96 Parts Catalog doesn' | + | |Swiss ((all models: 95-96 Parts Catalog doesn' |
|HDI|1998|27076-95A|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKK (27241-95)| | |HDI|1998|27076-95A|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKK (27241-95)| | ||
|HDI|1999-2000|27076-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKK (27241-95)| | |HDI|1999-2000|27076-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKK (27241-95)| | ||
|HDI/ | |HDI/ | ||
|HDI/ | |HDI/ | ||
- | |**XL1200C** \\ HDI|1996-1997|27076-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|N65J(27187-93)((Not listed in 2007 Parts Catalog)) | + | |**XL1200C** \\ HDI|1996-1997|27076-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|N65J(27187-93)((Not listed in 2007 Parts Catalog)) |
|HDI|1998|27076-95A|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKK (27241-95)| | |HDI|1998|27076-95A|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKK (27241-95)| | ||
|HDI|1999-2000|27076-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKK(27241-95)| | |HDI|1999-2000|27076-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|NOKK(27241-95)| | ||
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|HDI |2004-2006|27749-04|160 / 42|(27152-89) - (27171-89) \\ HDI, Japan|N9EY (28027-04)| | |HDI |2004-2006|27749-04|160 / 42|(27152-89) - (27171-89) \\ HDI, Japan|N9EY (28027-04)| | ||
|**XL1200R** \\ HDI|2004-2006|27749-04|160 / 42|(27152-89) - (27171-89) \\ HDI, Japan|N9EY (28027-04)| | |**XL1200R** \\ HDI|2004-2006|27749-04|160 / 42|(27152-89) - (27171-89) \\ HDI, Japan|N9EY (28027-04)| | ||
- | |**XL1200S** \\ HDI|1996-1997|27076-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|N65J(27187-93)((Not listed in 2007 Parts Catalog)) | + | |**XL1200S** \\ HDI|1996-1997|27076-95|190 / 42|(27243-95) - (27171-89)|N65J(27187-93)((Not listed in 2007 Parts Catalog)) |
|HDI|1998|27734-98|< | |HDI|1998|27734-98|< | ||
|Swiss|1998|27733-98|< | |Swiss|1998|27733-98|< | ||
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- | |**2004 FSM** (erroneous info)((Folkie https:// | + | |**2004 FSM** (erroneous info)((Folkie https:// |
- | |Main Jet \\ Corrected Size ((Verified with the 2004 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pgs 21, | + | |Main Jet \\ Corrected Size ((Verified with the 2004 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pgs 21, |
- | |**2002, 2003 Parts Catalogs** show a Cali 883R carb but no jet sizes or other carb parts. \\ Listed same year 883 (Cali) data.((hippysmack)) | + | |**2002, 2003 Parts Catalogs** show a Cali 883R carb but no jet sizes or other carb parts. \\ Listed same year 883 (Cali) data.((hippysmack)) |
- | |**1999, 2000 Parts Catalogs** do not list part number for a (Cali) main jet size for the 1200S. \\ Listed same year (Dom) jet sizes.((hippysmack)) | + | |**1999, 2000 Parts Catalogs** do not list part number for a (Cali) main jet size for the 1200S. \\ Listed same year (Dom) jet sizes.((hippysmack)) |
- | |**1999, 2000 Parts Catalog** does not list part number for a (Cali) main jet size for the 883C. \\ Listed same year (Cali) 883 jet sizes.((hippysmack)) | + | |**1999, 2000 Parts Catalog** does not list part number for a (Cali) main jet size for the 883C. \\ Listed same year (Cali) 883 jet sizes.((hippysmack)) |
- | |1998 Parts Catalog shows a 170 and a 195 main jet for Dom 1200S. \\ Verified with 1998 HD Sportster FSM to be a 195.((hippysmack)) | + | |1998 Parts Catalog shows a 170 and a 195 main jet for Dom 1200S. \\ Verified with 1998 HD Sportster FSM to be a 195.((hippysmack)) |
- | |**1998 Parts Catalog** pg 135 lists differences between the mid-year intro 883C and 883Std. \\ Reads other than what's listed, use 883Std parts. No carb parts listed so Std 883 specs used.((hippysmack)) | + | |**1998 Parts Catalog** pg 135 lists differences between the mid-year intro 883C and 883Std. \\ Reads other than what's listed, use 883Std parts. No carb parts listed so Std 883 specs used.((hippysmack)) |
- | |**1998 Parts Catalog** pg 23 shows Swiss 1200S with (27114-88) 180 main jet but no main jet for HDI. Also there is no jet needle specified for Swiss 1200S \\ Listed jet sizes from 1998 HD FSM pg 4-1 showing Swiss (195), HDI (190). Also listed Swiss 1200S jet needle as same year HDI 1200S ((hippysmack)) | + | |**1998 Parts Catalog** pg 23 shows Swiss 1200S with (27114-88) 180 main jet but no main jet for HDI. Also there is no jet needle specified for Swiss 1200S \\ Listed jet sizes from 1998 HD FSM pg 4-1 showing Swiss (195), HDI (190). Also listed Swiss 1200S jet needle as same year HDI 1200S ((hippysmack)) |
- | |**1998 Parts Catalog** shows 1200S (Dom) main jet as a 170 (27115-88). \\ Corrected to a 195 main jet with the 1998 HD XLH FSM pg 4-1.((hippysmack)) | + | |**1998 Parts Catalog** shows 1200S (Dom) main jet as a 170 (27115-88). \\ Corrected to a 195 main jet with the 1998 HD XLH FSM pg 4-1.((hippysmack)) |
|**1993-1994 Parts Catalog** makes it impossible to verify a main jet without the FSM to translate; | |**1993-1994 Parts Catalog** makes it impossible to verify a main jet without the FSM to translate; | ||
- | |27115-88 Main Jet (Late 1992 and Later 883 Cal.) 93-94 All Models|Translates to Cal 883 (170) & Dom 1200 (170)((hippysmack)) | + | |27115-88 Main Jet (Late 1992 and Later 883 Cal.) 93-94 All Models|Translates to Cal 883 (170) & Dom 1200 (170)((hippysmack)) |
- | |27152-89 Main Jet (1200 HDI and Swiss) 93-94 All Models|Translates to Dom, HDI/Swiss 883 (160) & HDI/Swiss 1200 (160)((hippysmack)) | + | |27152-89 Main Jet (1200 HDI and Swiss) 93-94 All Models|Translates to Dom, HDI/Swiss 883 (160) & HDI/Swiss 1200 (160)((hippysmack)) |
- | |27185-90 Main Jet (Cal only) L93-94 1200|Normal listing which is a Late 93-94 Cal 1200 (185)((hippysmack)) | + | |27185-90 Main Jet (Cal only) L93-94 1200|Normal listing which is a Late 93-94 Cal 1200 (185)((hippysmack)) |
- | |**1991-1992 Parts Catalog** is confusing to show (Cal)1200 main jet as: (170) 27115-88 - <wrap hi>main Jet (Dom)</ | + | |**1991-1992 Parts Catalog** is confusing to show (Cal)1200 main jet as: (170) 27115-88 - <wrap hi>main Jet (Dom)</ |
- | |**1991-1992 Parts Catalog** is confusing to show (Cal)883 main jet as: (160) 27152-89 - main Jet (1991 Cal & Swiss; 1992 & later All 883, 1200 HDI & Swiss - 1991-1992 models. Doesn' | + | |**1991-1992 Parts Catalog** is confusing to show (Cal)883 main jet as: (160) 27152-89 - main Jet (1991 Cal & Swiss; 1992 & later All 883, 1200 HDI & Swiss - 1991-1992 models. Doesn' |
- | |**1990 Parts Catalog** does not list a main jet for an XL1200 (Domestic) model. \\ Verified with the 1986-1990 FSM pg 4-1.((hippysmack)) | + | |**1990 Parts Catalog** does not list a main jet for an XL1200 (Domestic) model. \\ Verified with the 1986-1990 FSM pg 4-1.((hippysmack)) |
- | |**1986-1990 Parts Catalog** has an errant main jet #27154-88 for (Cal) 883s. Confirmed as a 155 with the 1986-1990 Sportster FSM pg 4-1, cross referenced to serial #27154-89 ((Cross-reference numbers by Folkie from the XLFORUM https:// | + | |**1986-1990 Parts Catalog** has an errant main jet #27154-88 for (Cal) 883s. Confirmed as a 155 with the 1986-1990 Sportster FSM pg 4-1, cross referenced to serial #27154-89 ((Cross-reference numbers by Folkie from the XLFORUM https:// |
- | |**1986-1990 Parts Catalog** is very confusing on export model carb info. I.E., \\ **The carb numbers are (all with no accel pump)**: \\ 27491-89 / (Swiss only) / 89-90 XLH1200 \\ 27492-89 / Swiss only / 89-90 XLH883 All Models \\ 27501-88 / HDI only-1989 & later / 88-90 XL883 All Models \\ 27502-88 / HDI only-1989 & later / 88-90 XLH1200 \\ **These are the only main jets designated for export motors:** \\ 27102-89 / Main Jet (Swiss only) / 89- XLH 883 All Models \\ 27104-89 / Main jet (Swiss only) / 89-90 All Models \\ **These are the only slow jets designated for export motors:** \\ 27117-88 / Slow jet (Swiss only-1989) / 88 & 89 All Models \\ **These are the only needle jets designated for export motors:** \\ 27164-89 (Swiss only) / 89- XLH 883 All models \\ 27165-89 (Swiss only) / 89- XL1200 \\ **Everything else is either designated Domestic or California engines.** ((hippysmack)) | + | |**1986-1990 Parts Catalog** is very confusing on export model carb info. I.E., \\ **The carb numbers are (all with no accel pump)**: \\ 27491-89 / (Swiss only) / 89-90 XLH1200 \\ 27492-89 / Swiss only / 89-90 XLH883 All Models \\ 27501-88 / HDI only-1989 & later / 88-90 XL883 All Models \\ 27502-88 / HDI only-1989 & later / 88-90 XLH1200 \\ **These are the only main jets designated for export motors:** \\ 27102-89 / Main Jet (Swiss only) / 89- XLH 883 All Models \\ 27104-89 / Main jet (Swiss only) / 89-90 All Models \\ **These are the only slow jets designated for export motors:** \\ 27117-88 / Slow jet (Swiss only-1989) / 88 & 89 All Models \\ **These are the only needle jets designated for export motors:** \\ 27164-89 (Swiss only) / 89- XLH 883 All models \\ 27165-89 (Swiss only) / 89- XL1200 \\ **Everything else is either designated Domestic or California engines.** ((hippysmack)) |
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