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| ====== General Information ====== | ====== General Information ====== | ||
| ===== Sub Documents ===== | ===== Sub Documents ===== | ||
| - | * [[techtalk:evo:engmech09a|Sequence of Installing Rigid Evo XL Motor Mounts]] | + | * [[techtalk:evo:engmech09a|Sequence of Installing Rigid Evo XL Motor Mounts]] (General Assembly Procedure) |
| * [[techtalk:evo:engmech09c|Evo Motor Mount Torque Specs]] | * [[techtalk:evo:engmech09c|Evo Motor Mount Torque Specs]] | ||
| * [[techtalk:evo:engmech09e|Pics and Information on 1986-2003 Motor Mounts]] | * [[techtalk:evo:engmech09e|Pics and Information on 1986-2003 Motor Mounts]] | ||
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| ===== Parts Lists ===== | ===== Parts Lists ===== | ||
| |**1986-2003 Sportster Motor Mounts**||| | |**1986-2003 Sportster Motor Mounts**||| | ||
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| | **Upper Front Motor Mounts** ||| | | **Upper Front Motor Mounts** ||| | ||
| - | |1986-2003 883 \\ (except 883R)|16222-86| | | + | |1986-2003 883 \\ (except 883R)|16222-86|Finish: steel | |
| - | |1986-1987 1100 \\ 1988-2002 1200 \\ 2002-2003 883R|16214-86| | | + | |1986-1987 1100 \\ 1988-2002 1200 \\ 2002-2003 883R|16214-86|Finish: black | |
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| | **Top Center Motor Mounts** ||| | | **Top Center Motor Mounts** ||| | ||
| - | |1986-1991 883|16277-86|Vertical hole for keyswitch (switch below mount plate)| | + | |1986-1991 883|16277-86|See the link in the sub document section above \\ "Pics and Information on 1986-2003 Motor Mounts" \\ for specific changes and interchangeability for these brackets.| |
| - | |1986-1987 1100 \\ 1988-1991 1200|16278-86|Vertical hole for keyswitch (switch below mount plate)| | + | |1986-1987 1100 \\ 1988-1991 1200|16278-86|:::| |
| - | |1992-1993 All|16278-86A|Vertical hole for keyswitch added inward \\ (switch on top of mount plate) \\ Welded rear stud for VOES ground| | + | |1992-1993 All|16278-86A|:::| |
| - | |1994 All|16278-86B|Vertical hole for keyswitch \\ (inward switch on top of mount plate)| | + | |1994 All|16278-86B|:::| |
| - | |1995-1996 All|16278-95|Not made for keyswitch (keyswitch moved) \\ Has T-stud welded to right side for Voes wiring| | + | |1995-1996 All|16278-95|:::| |
| - | |1997 All|16278-95A|Not made for keyswitch \\ Has T-stud welded to right side for Voes wiring| | + | |1997 All|16278-95A|:::| |
| - | |1998-2003 All|16278-95B|Not made for keyswitch \\ Has T-stud welded to right side for Voes wiring| | + | |1998-2003 All|16278-95B|:::| |
| + | |2004-|16353-04|Mounts to heads only. Requires 16354-04 "L" bracket.| | ||
| + | |2004-|16353-04|Choke bracket connects to 16353-04 for enrichenor cable.| | ||
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| ====== 1986-2003 Motor Mounts ====== | ====== 1986-2003 Motor Mounts ====== | ||
| ===== Rear Mounts ===== | ===== Rear Mounts ===== | ||
| - | + | 1982-1990 mounts offset the engine 13/32" to the left of the position for pre 1982 engines and don't have the hole in them for the kicker shaft to go through. ((billeuze of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/198233-cracked-motor-mount/page4?highlight=motor+mount#post4358785)) \\ | |
| - | 1982-1990 mounts offset the engine 13/32" to the left of the position for pre 1982 engines and don't have the hole in them for the kicker shaft to go through. ((billeuze of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5791608&highlight=motor+mount#post5791608)) \\ | + | |
| 1984-1990 Rear Mount: \\ | 1984-1990 Rear Mount: \\ | ||
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| ===== Lower Front Mounts ===== | ===== Lower Front Mounts ===== | ||
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| | L1984-2003 style lower front motor mounts. ((photos courtesy of Ebay seller, Americanbikestrippers [[https://www.ebay.com/str/AmericanBikestrippers?_trksid=p2047675.l2563|Link to Ebay store]] )) || | | L1984-2003 style lower front motor mounts. ((photos courtesy of Ebay seller, Americanbikestrippers [[https://www.ebay.com/str/AmericanBikestrippers?_trksid=p2047675.l2563|Link to Ebay store]] )) || | ||
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| - | ===== Top Mounts ===== | + | ===== Upper Front Mounts ===== |
| |1986-2003 upper front motor mount \\ (all 883 except 883R) ((photo courtesy of TomsCyberShop.com www.TomsCyberShop.com))|1986-2003 upper front motor mount \\ (1100, 1200, 883R) ((photo courtesy of Ebay seller, Motorcycle Dreams. [[https://www.ebay.com/str/motorcycledreams|Link to Ebay Store:]] ))| | |1986-2003 upper front motor mount \\ (all 883 except 883R) ((photo courtesy of TomsCyberShop.com www.TomsCyberShop.com))|1986-2003 upper front motor mount \\ (1100, 1200, 883R) ((photo courtesy of Ebay seller, Motorcycle Dreams. [[https://www.ebay.com/str/motorcycledreams|Link to Ebay Store:]] ))| | ||
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| + | ===== Top Center Mounts ===== | ||
| ====== 2004-Up Motor Mounts ====== | ====== 2004-Up Motor Mounts ====== | ||
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| **Isolator Mounts**: \\ | **Isolator Mounts**: \\ | ||
| - | There shouldn't be that much vibration on rubbermount bikes. You should feel some but not enough to make your feet numb. ((gronk62 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=6)) \\ | + | There shouldn't be that much vibration on rubbermount bikes. You should feel some but not enough to make your feet numb. ((gronk62 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page6?t=27701&page=6)) \\ |
| - | Keeping the motor mounts in specs makes all the difference in the world. ((Bill2 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=12)) \\ | + | Keeping the motor mounts in specs makes all the difference in the world. ((Bill2 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page12?t=27701&page=12)) \\ |
| - | **Tip**: If your mirrors are blurry, check your motor mounts. You also may notice the engine bouncing around and the handling loose. ((splineman of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1701136&page=3)) \\ | + | **Tip**: If your mirrors are blurry, check your motor mounts. You also may notice the engine bouncing around and the handling loose. ((splineman of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/158863-swing-arm-bearings-on-rubber-mount/page3?t=1701136&page=3)) \\ |
| - | The rubber mounts do in fact allow the engine and swing arm to move all around. ((XLXR of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1121503)) \\ | + | The rubber mounts do in fact allow the engine and swing arm to move all around. ((XLXR of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/116569-swingarm-play?t=1121503)) \\ |
| The job of the rubber mounts (or isolators) is to simply carry the weight of the engine, not to align it. \\ | The job of the rubber mounts (or isolators) is to simply carry the weight of the engine, not to align it. \\ | ||
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| Better tires and fork brace are also part of the problem. \\ | Better tires and fork brace are also part of the problem. \\ | ||
| It could also be loose steering head bearings, bad wheel bearings, loose wheel spokes and a lot of other stuff. \\ | It could also be loose steering head bearings, bad wheel bearings, loose wheel spokes and a lot of other stuff. \\ | ||
| - | All this, and more, is covered in the [[techtalk:ref:susp07|7 pages of Suspension]] in the REF section of the Sportsterpedia and the famous [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33294|'Wobble" thread]] from the XLForum. \\ | + | All this, and more, is covered in the [[techtalk:ref:susp07|7 pages of Suspension]] in the REF section of the Sportsterpedia and the famous [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/20097-~-~wobble?t=33294|'Wobble" thread]] from the XLForum. \\ |
| **Stabilizer Tie Links**: \\ | **Stabilizer Tie Links**: \\ | ||
| - | The 3 stabilizer links on the engine and the pivot shaft through the rear engine mount are the components that keep the alignment between front and rear. ((XLXR of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=473423)) \\ | + | The 3 stabilizer links on the engine and the pivot shaft through the rear engine mount are the components that keep the alignment between front and rear. ((XLXR of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/70072-rubbermount-pivot-shaft-wobble-investigation?t=473423)) \\ |
| They are supposed to eliminate side to side movement of the motor. \\ | They are supposed to eliminate side to side movement of the motor. \\ | ||
| - | They do however allow vertical movement of the motor and front of the swing arm in response to vibration. ((XLXR of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=473423&page=3)) \\ | + | They do however allow vertical movement of the motor and front of the swing arm in response to vibration. ((XLXR of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/70072-rubbermount-pivot-shaft-wobble-investigation/page3?t=473423&page=3)) \\ |
| The rubber mounts also allow for vertical movement to absorb vibration, this is also normal. \\ | The rubber mounts also allow for vertical movement to absorb vibration, this is also normal. \\ | ||
| This is how the motor's vibration is isolated from the frame. You can see this when the motor is idling. \\ | This is how the motor's vibration is isolated from the frame. You can see this when the motor is idling. \\ | ||
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| If the rear wheel contact patch moves forward and back while riding, the effect on handling will be barely noticeable at street legal speeds. Normal swing arm up and down movement in response to bumps in the road moves the rear tire contact patch forward and back as the wheel swings on the arc set by the swing arm. This is normal. The rubber mounts and stabilizer links do allow this front to rear movement. \\ | If the rear wheel contact patch moves forward and back while riding, the effect on handling will be barely noticeable at street legal speeds. Normal swing arm up and down movement in response to bumps in the road moves the rear tire contact patch forward and back as the wheel swings on the arc set by the swing arm. This is normal. The rubber mounts and stabilizer links do allow this front to rear movement. \\ | ||
| - | However, if the rear wheel contact patch moves side to side, or if the tire tilts side to side, or the tire is allowed to twist like a steering wheel of a car, handling will immediately be effected for the worse and the rider will lose control very quickly. ((XLXR of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=473423&page=3)) You cannot have the tire moving side to side. The rear tire must stay in line with the front to rear axis and centerline of the bike. Lateral play or side to side play, is when the rear tire turns away from the centerline. In effect, this becomes rear steer, and that does not work on a motorcycle. \\ | + | However, if the rear wheel contact patch moves side to side, or if the tire tilts side to side, or the tire is allowed to twist like a steering wheel of a car, handling will immediately be effected for the worse and the rider will lose control very quickly. ((XLXR of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/70072-rubbermount-pivot-shaft-wobble-investigation/page3?t=473423&page=3)) You cannot have the tire moving side to side. The rear tire must stay in line with the front to rear axis and centerline of the bike. Lateral play or side to side play, is when the rear tire turns away from the centerline. In effect, this becomes rear steer, and that does not work on a motorcycle. \\ |
| There is metal to metal contact, with no lateral or side to side play between the rear tire and axle, swing arm, pivot shaft, rear engine/transmission mount, and 3 stabilizer links to the frame. There should be no lateral or side to side play in any of these connections. These metal to metal connections are much stronger and have much less flex than the rubber mounts. These metal to metal connections are keeping everything in line, not the rubber mounts. \\ | There is metal to metal contact, with no lateral or side to side play between the rear tire and axle, swing arm, pivot shaft, rear engine/transmission mount, and 3 stabilizer links to the frame. There should be no lateral or side to side play in any of these connections. These metal to metal connections are much stronger and have much less flex than the rubber mounts. These metal to metal connections are keeping everything in line, not the rubber mounts. \\ | ||
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| ===== Rear Mounts ===== | ===== Rear Mounts ===== | ||
| - | + | | Swingarm tightened without rubbers. ((photo by Cosmo Kramer of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/70072-rubbermount-pivot-shaft-wobble-investigation?t=473423)) | Left and right bushings installed shows space between them and the brackets. ((photo by Cosmo Kramer of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/70072-rubbermount-pivot-shaft-wobble-investigation?t=473423)) || | |
| - | | Swingarm tightened without rubbers. ((photo by Cosmo Kramer of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=473423)) | Left and right bushings installed shows space between them and the brackets. ((photo by Cosmo Kramer of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=473423)) || | + | |
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| ===== Rear Stabilizer Mount ===== | ===== Rear Stabilizer Mount ===== | ||
| - | + | | Rear Stabilizer Link. ((photos courtesy of Boneyard Cycles in Melbourne, FL)) | Lower rear engine stabilizer. ((photo by chris_b_owens of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-engine-conversions/171908-2013-883-cafe-hammer-performance-1250-conversion?t=1843303)) | | |
| - | | Rear Stabilizer Link. ((photos courtesy of Boneyard Cycles in Melbourne, FL)) | Lower rear engine stabilizer. ((photo by chris_b_owens of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1843303)) | | + | |
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| ===== Lower Front Mounts ===== | ===== Lower Front Mounts ===== | ||
| ===== Top Stabilizer Mounts ===== | ===== Top Stabilizer Mounts ===== | ||
| - | Check the top isolator link mount bolts (the ones that bolt to top of the front head). ((gronk62 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=4)) \\ | + | Check the top isolator link mount bolts (the ones that bolt to top of the front head). ((gronk62 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page4?t=27701&page=4)) \\ |
| (While you're there, check them all). If they come loose, add some blue Loctite to the threads and re-torque them. \\ | (While you're there, check them all). If they come loose, add some blue Loctite to the threads and re-torque them. \\ | ||
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| - | | Upper front engine stabilizer. ((photo by sprink of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1701136&page=3)) | Lower front engine stabilizer. ((photo by chris_b_owens of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1843303)) | | + | | Upper front engine stabilizer. ((photo by sprink of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/158863-swing-arm-bearings-on-rubber-mount/page3?t=1701136&page=3)) | Lower front engine stabilizer. ((photo by chris_b_owens of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-engine-conversions/171908-2013-883-cafe-hammer-performance-1250-conversion?t=1843303)) | |
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