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| The part number for the bearing (set) changed in 2000 from (47082-81) to (48367-98). \\ | The part number for the bearing (set) changed in 2000 from (47082-81) to (48367-98). \\ | ||
| According to the pics on the [[https://www.jwboon.com/index2.php?co...rtster/Page_15|JW Boon]] website for NOS parts, even though the part number changed for the right bearing, it appears to be a place of origin change. \\ | According to the pics on the [[https://www.jwboon.com/index2.php?co...rtster/Page_15|JW Boon]] website for NOS parts, even though the part number changed for the right bearing, it appears to be a place of origin change. \\ | ||
| - | Both part numbers refer to a 'Timken LM11749' bearing: (47082-81 made in Poland) and (48367-98 made in USA). ((Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5790716#post5790716)) \\ | + | Both part numbers refer to a 'Timken LM11749' bearing: (47082-81 made in Poland) and (48367-98 made in USA). ((Hippysmack of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/198447-swingarms#post4357938)) \\ |
| The Prefix designates the duty class: LL - Lighter than Light; L - Light; LM - Light Medium; M - Medium; HM - Heavy Medium, H - Heavy ((https://www.motionindustries.com/productDetail.jsp?sku=00657537)) | The Prefix designates the duty class: LL - Lighter than Light; L - Light; LM - Light Medium; M - Medium; HM - Heavy Medium, H - Heavy ((https://www.motionindustries.com/productDetail.jsp?sku=00657537)) | ||
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| | --- Supercedes 2005-2013 - all 47587-05 || ::: | ::: |::: | | | --- Supercedes 2005-2013 - all 47587-05 || ::: | ::: |::: | | ||
| | --- Supercedes 2014-2020 - all 47587-05A || ::: | ::: |::: | | | --- Supercedes 2014-2020 - all 47587-05A || ::: | ::: |::: | | ||
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| **Swingarm related parts** \\ | **Swingarm related parts** \\ | ||
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| | 93-03 (41568-81B) \\ all models (1" hex head bolt)\\ includes pivot bolt screw & spacer | | | 93-03 (41568-81B) \\ all models (1" hex head bolt)\\ includes pivot bolt screw & spacer | | ||
| - | + | {{:techtalk:evo:susp:swingarm_parts_drawing_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&400|}} ((drawing by Hippysmack)) {{:techtalk:evo:susp:2002_swingarm_1_by_spibbie.jpg?direct&350|}} ((photo by spibbie of the XLFORUM, annotated by Hippysmack https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/173380-help-swingarm-pivot-issue/page2?t=1861454&page=2)) \\ | |
| - | {{:techtalk:evo:susp:swingarm_parts_drawing_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&400|}} ((drawing by Hippysmack)) {{:techtalk:evo:susp:2002_swingarm_1_by_spibbie.jpg?direct&350|}} ((photo by spibbie of the XLFORUM, annotated by Hippysmack http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861454&page=2)) \\ | + | |
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| ===== Rubber Mount Bikes ===== | ===== Rubber Mount Bikes ===== | ||
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| 2004 swingarm and bearings from an 883. \\ | 2004 swingarm and bearings from an 883. \\ | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:evo:susp:04_883_swingarm_15_by_dede.jpg?direct&400|}} ((photo by DéDé of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5770909)) {{:techtalk:evo:susp:04_883_swingarm_16_by_dede.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by DéDé of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5770909)) \\ | + | {{:techtalk:evo:susp:04_883_swingarm_15_by_dede.jpg?direct&400|}} ((photo by DéDé of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/197711-swingarm-bearing-change-rubbermount#post4329173)) {{:techtalk:evo:susp:04_883_swingarm_16_by_dede.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by DéDé of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/197711-swingarm-bearing-change-rubbermount#post4329173)) \\ |
| Notes gathered from the XLFORUM: \\ | Notes gathered from the XLFORUM: \\ | ||
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| - | * There is a pivot shaft that supports the swing arm bearings/bolts on the outside, and goes through the rear mounting lug on the tranny case. If the pivot shaft is loose in the rear mount lug, it will need to be replaced. ((XLXR http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1526368&highlight=motor+mounts&page=3)) | + | * There is a pivot shaft that supports the swing arm bearings/bolts on the outside, and goes through the rear mounting lug on the tranny case. If the pivot shaft is loose in the rear mount lug, it will need to be replaced. ((XLXR https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/140794-check-motor-mounts-and-swing-arm-bearings-asap/page3?t=1526368&highlight=motor+mounts&page=3)) |
| - | * Symptoms of swingarm problems: ((Loony http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1526368&highlight=motor+mounts&page=3)) | + | * Symptoms of swingarm problems: ((Loony https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/140794-check-motor-mounts-and-swing-arm-bearings-asap/page3?t=1526368&highlight=motor+mounts&page=3)) |
| * Excessive play in the rear wheel, difficulty keeping in a straight line in slow moving traffic. | * Excessive play in the rear wheel, difficulty keeping in a straight line in slow moving traffic. | ||
| * Spherical Bearings having play in them. | * Spherical Bearings having play in them. | ||
| * Rear rubber mounts well out of shape. | * Rear rubber mounts well out of shape. | ||
| * Torx bolt head shearing off. | * Torx bolt head shearing off. | ||
| - | * All of the rubber mounts are open to this problem... Because of the fact that the swing arm is mounted to the mount... An it's rubber-mounted with a spherical bearing... It's got some "flex" stock most don't notice it... Till its really bad! ((04xl1200c http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1526368&highlight=motor+mounts&page=3)) | + | * All of the rubber mounts are open to this problem... Because of the fact that the swing arm is mounted to the mount... An it's rubber-mounted with a spherical bearing... It's got some "flex" stock most don't notice it... Till its really bad! ((04xl1200c https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/140794-check-motor-mounts-and-swing-arm-bearings-asap/page3?t=1526368&highlight=motor+mounts&page=3)) |
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| - | * Replace the swing arm bearing when you have it apart... and above all else... follow the TSB for reinstalling the rear brake don't cross thread the pivot bolt. ((04xl1200c http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1526368&highlight=motor+mounts&page=6)) | + | |
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| - | * When you have the swingarm out, use a few sockets and some all thread (a bolt could work as well) in a vise to press the bearings out. ((Screw Loose Dan http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=5569081#post5569081)) There might be some surface rust in there, just soak it with some rust solvent for a couple of hours before you press it. ((madlim http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=5569081#post5569081)) | + | |
| + | * Replace the swing arm bearing when you have it apart... and above all else... follow the TSB for reinstalling the rear brake don't cross thread the pivot bolt. ((04xl1200c https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/140794-check-motor-mounts-and-swing-arm-bearings-asap/page6?t=1526368&highlight=motor+mounts&page=6)) | ||
| + | * When you have the swingarm out, use a few sockets and some all thread (a bolt could work as well) in a vise to press the bearings out. ((Screw Loose Dan https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/efi-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2007-and-up/190511-swingarm-bearings?postid=5569081#post4107816)) There might be some surface rust in there, just soak it with some rust solvent for a couple of hours before you press it. ((madlim https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/efi-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2007-and-up/190511-swingarm-bearings?postid=5569081#post4107816)) | ||
| **Broken Pivot Bolts**: | **Broken Pivot Bolts**: | ||
| - | * I think the design issue is that the pivot shaft is too small for the hole it goes through in the engine. It should be a tighter fit like an axle through a bearing. The purpose of the lock plate is to keep the pivot shaft from spinning so you can tighten the swingarm bolts. I think it does that job just fine. But, because the pivot shaft is too small, when you install the lock plate, the lock plate centers the pivot shaft in its hole. So the engine transmits its forces not directly into the pivot shaft, but rather into the lock plate bolts, then into the lock plate, then finally into the pivot shaft. Those little lock plate bolts cant handle that kind of stress so one or two of them break. I think a better fix would be a larger pivot shaft, or a shim or bushing of some sort to take up the space between the pivot shaft and its bore. ((Rog48 http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1526368&highlight=motor+mounts&page=12)) | + | * I think the design issue is that the pivot shaft is too small for the hole it goes through in the engine. It should be a tighter fit like an axle through a bearing. The purpose of the lock plate is to keep the pivot shaft from spinning so you can tighten the swingarm bolts. I think it does that job just fine. But, because the pivot shaft is too small, when you install the lock plate, the lock plate centers the pivot shaft in its hole. So the engine transmits its forces not directly into the pivot shaft, but rather into the lock plate bolts, then into the lock plate, then finally into the pivot shaft. Those little lock plate bolts cant handle that kind of stress so one or two of them break. I think a better fix would be a larger pivot shaft, or a shim or bushing of some sort to take up the space between the pivot shaft and its bore. ((Rog48 https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/140794-check-motor-mounts-and-swing-arm-bearings-asap/page12?t=1526368&highlight=motor+mounts&page=12)) |
| - | * I agree that a tighter pivot shift fit would help but the plate also holds against lateral shift of the shaft to the left under hard cornering loads. The combination of that force plus wiggling of the shaft in the motor opening definitely contributes to the problem ((LuxBlue http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1526368&highlight=motor+mounts&page=12)) | + | * I agree that a tighter pivot shift fit would help but the plate also holds against lateral shift of the shaft to the left under hard cornering loads. The combination of that force plus wiggling of the shaft in the motor opening definitely contributes to the problem ((LuxBlue https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/140794-check-motor-mounts-and-swing-arm-bearings-asap/page12?t=1526368&highlight=motor+mounts&page=12)) |
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| - | If you are replacing the bearings, it's worth reading this extensive thread about replacing the engine rubber mounts: http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1526368 | + | |
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| + | If you are replacing the bearings, it's worth reading this extensive thread about replacing the engine rubber mounts: https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/140794-check-motor-mounts-and-swing-arm-bearings-asap?t=1526368 \\ | ||
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