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hippysmack [Choke]
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 ====== Keihin Butterfly Carb (non CV) Functions, Adjustments,​ Tuning ====== ====== Keihin Butterfly Carb (non CV) Functions, Adjustments,​ Tuning ======
 +See also in the Sportsterpedia:​ \\
 +  * [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01#​keihin_butterfly_or_non-cv_carb_late_1976-1987|Keihin Butterfly Carb Basic Information]]
 +  * [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01q|Rebuilding the Keihin Butterfly Carb]]
 +  * [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01p|Keihin Butterfly Carb Identificaton]]
 +
 For Late 1976-1987 Sportsters. \\ For Late 1976-1987 Sportsters. \\
 If you are opening up your carb for the first time, you need three things: \\ If you are opening up your carb for the first time, you need three things: \\
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 To find out which later carb you have; \\ To find out which later carb you have; \\
-On 79 or later Keihin butterfly carbs, measure the venturi. 34mm = Sportster, 38mm == big twin. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1791419)) \\+On 79 or later Keihin butterfly carbs, measure the venturi. 34mm = Sportster, 38mm = big twin. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1791419)) \\
 You can cut two pieces of cereal/​Kleenex box cardboard, 34mm and 38mm wide and each a few inches long each. \\ You can cut two pieces of cereal/​Kleenex box cardboard, 34mm and 38mm wide and each a few inches long each. \\
-See which best fits the most narrow part of the venturi. \\+See which best fits the most narrow part (throat) ​of the venturi. \\
  
-====== Service Bulletin Information ======+{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_buttefly_ac_side_functions_by_spuggy_-_annotated_by_hippysmack.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by spuggy of the XLFORUM, annotated by Hippysmack http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=5694195&​highlight=keihin#​post5694195))
  
-==== Lean Condition Adjustments from the MoCo (1979) ==== 
  
-  * During the mid 1979 model season, HD makes a recommendation to dealers for corrective measures regarding the carburetion and [[techtalk:​ih:​engctl01#​prestolite_electronic_ignition_system|ignition system]] on (1100, 1200 and 1340cc) models with emissions control design changes. They operate with leaner air/fuel mixtures and are more sensitive to carburetor mixture settings / ignition spark. ((HD Service Bulletin #M-739 dated November 3, 1978)) +====== Choke ======
-  * For proper carburetion it is recommended to check the following items as corrective measures for irregular running and spit-back which are symptoms of an excessively lean mixture. Also check for proper ignition. +
-    * Check to see that the intake manifold seals and band clamps are installed properly. Using a squirt can with stanisol or kerosene, squirt some on these connections with the engine idling and see if there is any change (increase or decrease) in RPM which would indicate an air leak. +
-    * The air cleaner backing plate must be flat against the car­buretor flange gasket surface and the air cleaner mounting brackets must be adjusted and tightened properly per the FSM with no air leakage at the carburetor mounting flange.+
  
-==== High Altitude Modification Kit ====+On L76-78 Keihin carbs, the choke system is standalone with a choke plate and an actuating rod. \\ 
 +On 79-up carbs, the choke system is composed of a choke, actuating rod and a fast idle cam. \\
  
-  ​Carburetor modification kits (including jet(sand an accelerator pump stop screw) were made available ​for 1200cc, 1340cc and 1000cc models to provide leaner fuel mixtures when operating ​at elevations above 4000 feet sea level. ((HD Service Blletin #M-730 dated June 15, 1978)) +The choke is manually operated by pulling out the choke handle (if pulled out gently it stops at each position). \\ 
-    * Normally, leaner fuel/air mixtures are required for proper engine operation as the elevation above sea level increases. This high altitude kit (27096-79 for 1979 XLH (XL), XLCH, XLCR-1000) should be installed where there is evidence of rich condition causing loss of smooth combustion, stumbling on acceleration or such other carburetor issues at high altitudes.  +**76-78 models**: \\ 
-    * The kit for Sportsters includes ​#160 main jet, accelerator pump stop screw and the front down tube on the frame+The choke has 3 basic positions 
-    * Install and adjust ​the acc pump stop screw to extend 1/8" past hole in lever.+  - Fully closed ​(full choke for cold startup)
 +  - Partially open. 
 +  - Fully open (off for normal ​operating ​temp) 
 +**79-87 models**: \\ 
 +The choke has 4 basic positions ​((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1383309&​page=2)) \\ 
 +  Full choke for cold startup ​(knob all the way in)
 +  ​Choke out little (maybe 1/2")\\ (choke plate is still fully open but the fast idle cam moves the throttle valve to the fast idle position) 
 +  - Pull choke out little more and the plate is half open and valve opens a little more
 +  - Choke all the way out, plate is fully closed and valve is in the highest idle position
  
 +Check your butterfly shaft also. If its loose, the bushings are worn and you'll be sucking air. ((egarrett of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=575622&​page=2)) \\
  
-  * Note, any motorcycle modified for high altitude operation must be converted back to standard if operated at altitudes below 4000 feet. An overly lean condition can cause engine damage.+====== Low Speed System (idle circuit) ======
  
-====== Idle Speed and Air/Fuel Mixture ====== +The low speed system affects idle up thru about half throttle ​(idle, low and intermediate speeds when the throttle valve is closed or only partially open). ((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 3-60)) \\  
- +**76 only**; At idle, fuel enters the slow jet where it is metered. \\ 
-The carb shown is the (L76-E7838mm Keihin carb. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=2)) \\ +**77-up**; At idle, fuel enters the main jet where it is metered ​and enters the slow jet where it is metered again. \\ 
-Later models run a 34mm with slightly smaller jets but the principles are the same. \\ +Then fuel enters ​the slow jet bleed tube to mix with air from the slow air passage. \\ 
- +The fuel mixture ​is regulated by adjusting ​the low speed mixture ​screw. \\ 
-**The idle __mixture__ adjustment screw**. \\ +When the throttle valve is closedfuel mixture flows into the venture mostly through ​the idle port. \\ 
-The -78 FSM specifies to turn it in until it seats gently ​and then screw it out 7/8 of a turn. \\ +As the throttle valve gradually opens, fuel mix discharge ​is transferred to the bypassSo the slow jet bleed tube is actually part of the slow jet. \\
-Screwing it in further leans the idle mix while screwing it out richens ​the mixture. \\ +
-Sometimes this screw is called ​the pilot screw, ​and the idle mixture ​is called ​the pilot mixture(mostly in the UK and former colonies). \\+
  
-**The idle __speed__ adjuster**. \\ +===== Overall Tuning Procedure =====
-It is just a butterfly stop screw. \\ +
-Don't set idle speed too low. It chumps out bottom end bearings and can cause hesitation when you open the throttle. \\ +
-By ear, idle as slow as it will go, then speed it up a healthy bit. \\+
  
-|Idle Mixture Screw: ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=2))|Throttle Stop Screw (idle speed adjuster): ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=2))| +**The usual method to set idle mixture/​speed is**: \\
-|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_1_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_2_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}| +
-** +
-The usual method to set idle mixture/​speed is**: \\+
   - Set idle MIXTURE screw to 7/8 turns out. Get the bike hot. Set idle at comfortable speed with the idle SPEED screw.   - Set idle MIXTURE screw to 7/8 turns out. Get the bike hot. Set idle at comfortable speed with the idle SPEED screw.
   - Adjust the idle MIXTURE screw to the point where engine runs the fastest. This is optimum mixture.   - Adjust the idle MIXTURE screw to the point where engine runs the fastest. This is optimum mixture.
   - Adjust idle SPEED screw again to get desired idle speed. ​   - Adjust idle SPEED screw again to get desired idle speed. ​
  
-Observations from Hopper of the XLFORUM: ((http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=2)) \\+**Observations from Hopper of the XLFORUM**: ((http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=2)) \\ 
 <​blockquote>​I have found that the spring on the idle speed screw tends to creep the idle speed back up if you try to adjust the idle just that little bit slower. \\ <​blockquote>​I have found that the spring on the idle speed screw tends to creep the idle speed back up if you try to adjust the idle just that little bit slower. \\
 So, I adjust the idle speed screw right down too slow, then nudge it up slightly faster until I get the speed I want, then it stays there. \\ So, I adjust the idle speed screw right down too slow, then nudge it up slightly faster until I get the speed I want, then it stays there. \\
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 It will almost certainly need a larger low speed fixed jet, and most likely a bigger main jet too. \\ It will almost certainly need a larger low speed fixed jet, and most likely a bigger main jet too. \\
 But it is the low speed jet that affects the dreaded carb farts. \\ But it is the low speed jet that affects the dreaded carb farts. \\
-Main jet affects mixture at wide open throttle and if left lean can overheat the engine, or burn holes in pistons. \\</​blockquote>​+Main jet affects mixture at wide open throttle and if left lean can overheat the engine, or burn holes in pistons. \\ 
 +</​blockquote>​
  
-====== Low Speed System ======+**Further explanation from IronMick of the XLFORUM**; \\
  
-The low speed system affects idle up thru about half throttle (idle, low and intermediate speeds when the throttle valve is closed or only partially open). ((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 3-60)) \\  +<​blockquote>​If the carb is old and dirty the pilot screw passage may be gummed up such that you will not be able to "​gently seat" the pilot screw reliably. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=71361)) \\
-At idle, fuel enters the main jet where it is metered and enters the slow jet where it is metered again. \\ +
-Then fuel enters the slow jet bleed tube to mix with air from the slow air passage. \\ +
-The fuel mixture is regulated by adjusting the low speed mixture screw. \\ +
-When the throttle valve is closed, fuel mixture flows into the venture mostly through the idle port. \\ +
-As the throttle valve gradually opens, fuel mix discharge is transferred to the bypass. So the slow jet bleed tube is actually part of the slow jet. \\ +
- +
-==== Air/Fuel Mixture Adjustment ==== +
- +
-**Low speed mixture screw**: \\ +
-Other names include the idle mixture screw or the pilot screw. +
- ​((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1383309&​page=3)) \\ +
-You may get smoother running by adjusting the this screw. It's on the top of the carburetor. This adjusts the flow of gasoline at idle. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1383309&​page=3)) \\  +
-To adjust the low speed mixture screw (screw is held in place by the spring). \\ +
-  * Turn the screw in (clockwise) until lightly seated (do not over-tighten),​ then back it out 7/8 turns. ((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 3-61)) \\ From there; +
-    * Turning the screw in (clockwise) leans the mixture. +
-    * Turning the screw out (counter-clockwise) richens the mixture.  +
- +
-|Low Speed Mixture Screw: ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=2))| +
-|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_1_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}| +
- +
-==== Further explanation from IronMick of the XLFORUM ==== +
- +
-<​blockquote>​ +
-If the carb is old and dirty the pilot screw passage may be gummed up such that you will not be able to "​gently seat" the pilot screw reliably. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=71361)) \\+
 If this is the case remove the carb from the bike and clean it up. Some guys try to do carb work with the carb in the bike. This is generally a very bad idea. \\ If this is the case remove the carb from the bike and clean it up. Some guys try to do carb work with the carb in the bike. This is generally a very bad idea. \\
  
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 The screw usually comes out easily. The other parts may require some work. \\ The screw usually comes out easily. The other parts may require some work. \\
 The best technique is to stick a pipe cleaner in the hole, twist it around, and, like magic, out come the other parts on the end of the pipe cleaner. \\ The best technique is to stick a pipe cleaner in the hole, twist it around, and, like magic, out come the other parts on the end of the pipe cleaner. \\
 +    * The pilot screw adjustment mainly affects the idle speed operation of the engine. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=71361)) \\ This is when the engine is actually idling, and when you release the throttle while riding. \\ If the pilot screw is too lean you get backfire in the exhaust when you throttle down, and white looking spark plugs. \\ If it is too rich you get black sooty exhaust and black sooty spark plugs. \\ Either situation has serious consequences for engine longevity if left unresolved.
 +The mixture screw does not have a large range of adjustment, if you're running lean, you may need to increase the low speed jet size. \\ (after you have eliminated all other contributing factors) \\ 
 **Note**: 1966 to 1978 Sportster carbs do not have the O-ring and washer in the pilot screw passage. **Note**: 1966 to 1978 Sportster carbs do not have the O-ring and washer in the pilot screw passage.
  
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   - You may have to adjust the idle speed.   - You may have to adjust the idle speed.
   - Make sure that the spark plugs are clean, then ride the bike. \\   - Make sure that the spark plugs are clean, then ride the bike. \\
-  - I usually go for a half hour or so ride outside the city, then ride home with the last 10 minutes at city riding speeds (so that it is on the "idle port", not the "idle transfer ports",​ the "mid range port", or the "main jet" [see carb diagrams in FM). \\ Hopefully the plugs will come out a nice medium gray or tan color. If they are too dark you can screw it in another 1/4 turn; too light screw it out 1/4 turn, and try the ride again.+  - I usually go for a half hour or so ride outside the city, then ride home with the last 10 minutes at city riding speeds (so that it is on the "idle port", not the "idle transfer ports",​ the "mid range port", or the "main jet" [see carb diagrams in FM). \\ Hopefully the plugs will come out a nice medium gray or tan color. If they are too dark you can screw it in another 1/4 turn; too light screw it out 1/4 turn, and try the ride again. ​(See also  [[techtalk:​ref:​genmsr02|Reading Spark Plugs]] in the REF section of the Sportsterpedia.) \\
   - If they are really light or really dark the problem is not with the pilot screw setting. \\ For example, too light might mean an intake or exhaust leak, and too dark might mean the pilot jet is too large (among other possibilities).   - If they are really light or really dark the problem is not with the pilot screw setting. \\ For example, too light might mean an intake or exhaust leak, and too dark might mean the pilot jet is too large (among other possibilities).
   - My experience with this process is that after making a change I have to clean the plugs and go for a good ride (say, an hour or so) before I can trust that the new results are reliable.   - My experience with this process is that after making a change I have to clean the plugs and go for a good ride (say, an hour or so) before I can trust that the new results are reliable.
 +
 </​blockquote>​ </​blockquote>​
  
-==== Idle Speed Adjustment ====+ 
 +===== Air/Fuel Mixture Adjustment ===== 
 + 
 +**Low speed / idle mixture screw**: \\ 
 +Other names include the idle mixture screw or the pilot screw. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1383309&​page=3)) \\ 
 +You may get smoother running by adjusting this screw as it adjusts the flow of gasoline at idle. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1383309&​page=3)) \\  
 + 
 +The idle mixture screw is held in place by a spring on top of the carburetor near the intake mounting flange on all models. \\ 
 +  * On 76-78 carbs, the screw and it's spring is sticking up in plain site. \\ 76 carbs didn't come with a seal on the mixture screw. It was added thru a service bulletin in December of 1976. ((HD TSB #M707 dated December 1, 1976)) \\ The ID of the seal (27355-76) was a little small and it was suggested to enlarge the hole slightly for the screw. \\ It was to be placed between the spring and the carb body. This still leaves the spring being able to cut the seal. 
 +  * On 79 carbs, the screw is inside a towered boss under a limiter cap. \\ The limiter cap can be removed to adjust the mixture screw. However, with the cap on, the mix can still be adjusted with the limits of the cap. \\ A washer between the seal (O-ring) and the spring was added in 79 to protect the rubber O-ring from damage from the spring. 
 +  * On 80-up carbs, the screw is inside a towered boss under a (non removable) plug. \\ The plug can be removed by drilling a small hole through it and using a small screwdriver to pop it out. \\ Wrap a piece of tape around the drill bit as a guide so you won't drill into the mixture screw. 
 + 
 +To adjust it, turn the screw in (clockwise) until lightly seated (do not over-tighten),​ then back it out 7/8 turns. ((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 3-61)) \\ From there; 
 +    * Turning the screw in (clockwise) leans the mixture. 
 +    * Turning the screw out (counter-clockwise) richens the mixture.  
 +The pilot screw tuning is dependent on your slow speed jet size. ((83XLX of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=770330&​page=2)) \\ 
 +Needing it too far in or out for proper mixture will indicate the need for a smaller or larger low speed jet. 
 +|Idle Mixture Screw: L76-78 ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=2))|79 Idle Mixture Screw ((photo by spuggy of the XLFORUM, annotated by Hippysmack http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=5694195&​highlight=keihin#​post5694195))|Idle Mixture Screw: 80-up ((photo by County Fair of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1760294&​page=2))| 
 +|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_1_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_buttefly_3_by_spuggy_-_annotated.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_20_by_county_fair.jpg?​direct&​300|}}| 
 + 
 +===== Idle Speed Adjustment ====
 +The idle speed adjuster is just a butterfly stop screw and it adjusts the movement on the return of the throttle cable. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1383309&​page=3)) \\
 Adjust the throttle stop screw to make the engine idle at the desired speed with the throttle closed. ((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 3-61)) \\ Adjust the throttle stop screw to make the engine idle at the desired speed with the throttle closed. ((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 3-61)) \\
-It adjusts the movement on the return of the throttle cable. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1383309&​page=3)) \\ +**Notes**: ​\\ 
-  * Turning the screw clockwise opens the throttle plate (faster idle) +Never set idle adjustment to the lowest possible speed. An extremely low idle causes bearing wear oil consumption and slow speed acceleration. \\ By ear, idle as slow as it will go, then speed it up a healthy bit. \\ 
-  * Turning the screw counterclockwise closes the throttle plate (slower idle) + 
-  * **Notes**:  +Recommended idle speed per the -78 FSM is 700-900 RPM. ((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 3-61)) \\ 
-    ​* ​Never set idle adjustment to the lowest possible speed. An extremely low idle causes bearing wear oil consumption and slow speed acceleration. \\ +However, below 900 is not suggested by most owners. Some have had bearing failure with lower idle settings. \\ 
-    ​* ​Recommended idle speed is 700-900 RPM. ((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 3-61)) \\ +The -85 up to the -90 FSMs raised the idle requirement to 900-950 RPM. \\ 
-  * Make final adjustment on low speed screw after the engine is at operating temperature.+There have been many arguments pertaining to the need for the engine to have a slow Potato, Potato sound "or it ain't a Harley"​. \\ 
 +Well a Sportster is a Harley, make that a high revving Harley (unlike the slower revving BTs), and a Sportster is not meant to be idled that low. \\ 
 +Forget about the peer pressure or berating of the higher RPM and tune your Sportster for performance and longevity as it was meant to be. ((Hippysmack)). \\ 
 + 
 +Turning the screw clockwise opens the throttle plate (faster idle). \\ 
 +Turning the screw counterclockwise closes the throttle plate (slower idle). 
 +  ​* Slow idle adjustment (76-up): 
 +    ​* Make final adjustment on low speed screw after the engine is at operating temperature ​with the choke fully open (choke knob in).
     * Turn screw in and then out to see if the engine picks up speed or runs smooth.     * Turn screw in and then out to see if the engine picks up speed or runs smooth.
-    * Both startup and overall performance will be better with the mixture set slightly on the rich side.+    * Both startup and overall performance will be better with the idle mixture set slightly on the rich side.
     * Readjust the throttle stop screw as needed to get the correct idle speed.     * Readjust the throttle stop screw as needed to get the correct idle speed.
 +  * Fast idle adjustment (79-up): ((HD 1979-1985 FSM pg 4-8))
 +    * Pull the choke to the second position.
 +    * Turn the fast idle adjusting screw in or out to set the fast idle at 1500 RPM.
  
 +|Throttle Stop Screw (idle speed adjuster): ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=2))|
 +|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_2_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|
  
-==== Slow Jet ====+==== Choke Shaft and Plastic Parts (76-E78) ==== 
 + 
 +Kits were available from the MoCo for 76-78 FX & FL carbs to adapt for a fast idle cam. It was also available as a replacement for 79-up carbs. \\ 
 +The Choke Shaft Kit is (27045-78) and the Plastic Parts kit (27046-78) as shown below (with the parts list including 3 springs, 2 clips and 2 washers). \\ 
 +{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_choke_shaft_kit_27045-78.jpg?​direct&​300|}} {{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_plastic_parts_kit_27046-78.jpg?​direct&​300|}} \\ 
 +The ball under the choke lever drive must ride in the detents on the bottom of the choke lever drive. \\ 
 +==== Fast Idle Cam (79-up) ==== 
 + 
 +The fast idle cam operates in conjunction with the choke to progressively raise the idle speed as the choke disc closes. ((1979-1985 Hd FSM pg 4-3)) \\ 
 +Engine speed is increased as the choke knob is pulled out. \\ 
 +By moving the choke knob, the choke and fast idle can be adjusted for a cold or warm engine. \\ 
 +This should be set to 1500 RPM with the bike fully warmed up. \\ 
 +When the choke lever is pulled out 1/4" to 1/2", it is in the fast idle position. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=71361&​page=2)) \\ 
 +After starting with full choke you push it in to this setting until it is warmed up [a few minutes] then push it in the rest of the way. \\ 
 + 
 +{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_by_mickey_t.jpg?​direct&​250|}} ((photo by mickey t of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2073560&​highlight=keihin&​page=3)) {{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​kehien_fast_idle_cam_by_racedvl_-_annotated.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by racedvl of the XLFORUM, annotated by Hippysmack http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1791419)) \\ 
 + 
 + 
 +===== Slow Jet =====
 Other notable names include the pilot jet or idle jet. \\ Other notable names include the pilot jet or idle jet. \\
-**Rubber bung**: \\ +==== Rubber bung ====
-76-78;\\ +
-The very first 1976 style Keihin carbs do not use the rubber plug beneath the slow jet. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=4091515&​highlight=float+level#​post4091515)) \\ They do not have the tiny hole going sideways through the carb body from the slow jet housing to the main jet housing. \\ So they need to suck gas up direct from the float bowl though the exposed slow jet. The slow jet a 100 and the main is a 145. \\ Check if your carb has that small hole drilled in the body. \\ If you look down into the hole where the slow jet sits it will be visible in the wall on the side where it can lead to the main jet. \\ If it does not have that hole, that carb does not use the rubber plug and can cause you to have to screw the idle mix too far open. \\+
  
-79-Up; \\ +**L76 Sportster carbs**; \\ 
-The slow jet is under the rubber bung in the pic below. You take out the rubber bung, then unscrew the small brass jet with a screw driver that is a tight fit. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM)) ​\\ +The very first 1976 style Keihin carbs do not use the rubber plug beneath the slow jet. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=4091515&​highlight=float+level#​post4091515)) \\ They do not have the tiny hole going sideways through the carb body from the slow jet housing to the main jet housing. \\ So they need to suck gas up direct from the float bowl though the exposed slow jet. The slow jet was a 100 and the main was a 140 ((HD Service Bulletin #M-713 dated June 10, 1977)). \\ Check if your carb has that small hole drilled in the body. \\ If you look down into the hole where the slow jet sits it will be visible in the wall on the side where it can lead to the main jet. \\ If it does not have that hole, that carb does not use the rubber plug and can cause you to have to screw the idle mix too far open. \\ 
-You might have to grind the sides off a screwdriver to get it to go up inside the hole to the jet. \\+ 
 +**77-up carbs**; \\ 
 +The slow jet is under the rubber bung in the pic above. You take out the rubber bung, then unscrew the small brass jet with a screw driver that is a tight fit. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=2)) \\
 The rubber bung is essential. The bike will run really rough if it comes loose or falls out. \\ The rubber bung is essential. The bike will run really rough if it comes loose or falls out. \\
 Looking at the carb upside down the passage will be drilled below the main jet and above the pilot jet. ((ryder rick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1423900)) \\ Looking at the carb upside down the passage will be drilled below the main jet and above the pilot jet. ((ryder rick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1423900)) \\
-With the plug is installed, the pilot draws fuel through the main jet. \\+With the plug installed, the pilot jet draws fuel from and through the main jet. \\
 You must run with the plug in place or the main jet will be bypassed by the drilled passage and it will run very rich. \\ You must run with the plug in place or the main jet will be bypassed by the drilled passage and it will run very rich. \\
- 
 Sometimes, the black plug in the low speed jet is too long and should be trimmed off to allow more fuel in the low speed side. ((oldnavy of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=877868&​page=2)) \\  Sometimes, the black plug in the low speed jet is too long and should be trimmed off to allow more fuel in the low speed side. ((oldnavy of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=877868&​page=2)) \\ 
 Trim off as much as needed to still hold it in without falling out about 1/8". This was a factory fix. \\ Trim off as much as needed to still hold it in without falling out about 1/8". This was a factory fix. \\
 +Screaming Eagle Keihin carbs do not use the rubber bung. \\ 
  
 +Interestingly,​ the original big twin models all had this plug when they swapped from the Bendix to the Keihin carb.  ((HD TSB #694 dated November 7, 1975)) \\
 +It is not clear why the L76 Sportster carb was different. \\
 +{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_3_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=2)) {{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​77-78_keihin_carb_1_by_pala_-_annotated.jpg?​direct&​200|}} ((photo by pala of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1771280&​highlight=keihin+bowl&​page=2)) \\
  
-Screaming Eagle Keihin carbs do not use the rubber bung \\ +==== Slow jet ====
  
-**Slow ​jet**: \\+You might have to grind the sides off a screwdriver to get it to go up inside the hole to the jet\\
 If you have anything other than factory original exhaust and air filter, you will most likely need to go up one or two sizes in slow speed jet. \\ If you have anything other than factory original exhaust and air filter, you will most likely need to go up one or two sizes in slow speed jet. \\
 If your idle mixture screw works best more than 1-1/4 turns open, you need a bigger low speed jet. \\ If your idle mixture screw works best more than 1-1/4 turns open, you need a bigger low speed jet. \\
 If your bike spits back through the carb at all, you need a bigger low speed jet. \\ If your bike spits back through the carb at all, you need a bigger low speed jet. \\
-If your slow jet is too small, the engine misfires on acceleration. ((irnmick ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=4)) \\+If your slow jet is too small, the engine misfires on acceleration. ((IronMick ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=4)) \\
 Click here for [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01#​carburetors_by_bike_year_model|Keihin butterfly carb standard jet sizes]] installed in Sportster carbs in the Sportsterpedia. ​ \\ Click here for [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01#​carburetors_by_bike_year_model|Keihin butterfly carb standard jet sizes]] installed in Sportster carbs in the Sportsterpedia. ​ \\
 Fitting an 80 model carb, for instance, will make it run much better. Later 79-onwards and those with 34mm carbs have smaller jets. \\ Fitting an 80 model carb, for instance, will make it run much better. Later 79-onwards and those with 34mm carbs have smaller jets. \\
 JP Cycles and others sells a range of jets so you can take them up in small increments until you get it right. \\ JP Cycles and others sells a range of jets so you can take them up in small increments until you get it right. \\
 The smaller jets on the later models seem to come in smaller increments. \\ The smaller jets on the later models seem to come in smaller increments. \\
 +
 +**Drilling out a jet**. \\
  
 You can drill the low speed jet out from 75 to 80 using a set of jet drills. \\ You can drill the low speed jet out from 75 to 80 using a set of jet drills. \\
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 Buy 2 small jets, and a good drill index (number, letter, fractional or the metric equivalent). ((forqueue of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=5)) \\ Buy 2 small jets, and a good drill index (number, letter, fractional or the metric equivalent). ((forqueue of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=5)) \\
 Drill out the small jet one size at a time until you become too rich. Drill out the remaining jet 1 size down. \\ Drill out the small jet one size at a time until you become too rich. Drill out the remaining jet 1 size down. \\
- 
 The right size slow speed jet is the most important factor in getting a good idle, starting, running up to half throttle and stopping carb farts. \\ The right size slow speed jet is the most important factor in getting a good idle, starting, running up to half throttle and stopping carb farts. \\
 +This is a slow jet and jet hand-drill (or pin vise). \\
 +{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_4_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=2)) \\
  
-|Low speed jet under rubber bung (79-up) carb. ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=2))|Slow jet and jet hand drill (or pin vise). ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=2))| +====== Mid-range Circuit ​Idle Transfer Ports ======
-|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_3_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_4_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|+
  
 +As the throttle valve opens, the air / fuel mixture from the slow jet is drawn into the venture through the idle transfer ports. \\
 +When the throttle valve uncovers the midrange port, raw fuel from the float chamber is also drawn into the engine. \\
  
-==== Off Idle - Bypass Ports  ==== +Another thing that affects low speed running, mostly as you crack the throttle open from idle, is the bypass ports. ​((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3)) ​\\
- +
-Another thing that affects low speed running, mostly as you crack the throttle open from idle, is the bypass ports. \\+
 This is a row of four tiny holes in the top of the carb, just in front of the idle mixture hole, directly below the idle mixture screw. \\ This is a row of four tiny holes in the top of the carb, just in front of the idle mixture hole, directly below the idle mixture screw. \\
  
 As the throttle butterfly opens, each of these extra holes is progressively uncovered by the butterfly and fuel begins to flow out of it. \\ As the throttle butterfly opens, each of these extra holes is progressively uncovered by the butterfly and fuel begins to flow out of it. \\
 So as the throttle opens from idle, more gas is allowed in to match the extra air flowing in. \\ So as the throttle opens from idle, more gas is allowed in to match the extra air flowing in. \\
 +
 +The ports in the carb venturi are made active as follows as you open the throttle: ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=93242)) \\
 +  - Idle port, controlled by pilot screw
 +  - 1st of 4 idle transfer ports are active at idle.
 +  - Next 3 idle transfer ports are exposed one by one as the throttle plate opens.
 +  - Mid-range port is next.
 +  - Main jet port is last.
 +
 +Theoretically only one is active at a time, but there is some overlap. \\
 Make sure these holes are not plugged with gunge. Take out the idle mixture screw and squirt carb cleaner in there. \\ Make sure these holes are not plugged with gunge. Take out the idle mixture screw and squirt carb cleaner in there. \\
 Also squirt carb cleaner on the side inside the carb throat. Carbon and fuel deposits tend to build up there. \\ Also squirt carb cleaner on the side inside the carb throat. Carbon and fuel deposits tend to build up there. \\
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 And don't lose the bristle down the manifold, it will wreck your engine, being hardened spring steel. \\ And don't lose the bristle down the manifold, it will wreck your engine, being hardened spring steel. \\
  
-|Off Idle - Bypass Ports: ​((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))| +|Idle transfer ports inside. ​((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))|Idle transfer ports outside. ((photo by Civil War Harley of the XLFORUM, annotated by Hippysmack ​ http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2002662&​highlight=keihin+accelerator+pump&​page=2))| 
-|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_5_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|+|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_5_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​welch_plug_3_by_civil_war_harley.jpg?​direct&​200|}}|
  
-====== Main System ======+====== Main System ​(high speed circuit) ​======
 The main system functions at intermediate and high speeds as the throttle valve opens further. ((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 3-60)) \\ The main system functions at intermediate and high speeds as the throttle valve opens further. ((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 3-60)) \\
 Fuel is metered by the main jet and enters the main jet bleed tube where it mixes with air entering through the main jet air passage. \\ Fuel is metered by the main jet and enters the main jet bleed tube where it mixes with air entering through the main jet air passage. \\
 This air/fuel mixture then enters the venture from the main nozzle. \\ This air/fuel mixture then enters the venture from the main nozzle. \\
-==== Main Jet ==== +===== Main Jet ===== 
-The main jet is the big brass one next to the rubber plug in the below pic. It is right there when you take off the float bowl. \\+The main jet has no adjustment. Fuel is metered by the main jet during high speed operation. \\ 
 +The main jet is the big brass one next to the rubber plug. It is right there when you take off the float bowl. \\
 Click here for [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01#​carburetors_by_bike_year_model|Keihin butterfly carb standard jet sizes]] installed in Sportster carbs in the Sportsterpedia. ​ \\ Click here for [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01#​carburetors_by_bike_year_model|Keihin butterfly carb standard jet sizes]] installed in Sportster carbs in the Sportsterpedia. ​ \\
 If you have aftermarket pipes and or air filter, you will probably need to increase the size of the main jet to make sure it is not lean at high speeds. \\ If you have aftermarket pipes and or air filter, you will probably need to increase the size of the main jet to make sure it is not lean at high speeds. \\
 The main jet only influences half to full throttle operations. \\ The main jet only influences half to full throttle operations. \\
-If you are having low speed or mid range problems, it is unlikely to be the main jet. \\ +If you are having low speed or mid range problems, it is unlikely to be the main jet. Look at the low speed jet or other issues. \\
-Look at the low speed jet or other issues. \\+
  
-|Main jet (brass piece beside the rubber bung) ((photo by Hopper ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&page=2))+All year Keihin jet locations: \\ 
-|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_3_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|+{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_10_by_county_fair.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by County Fair of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​s=9e387afdd8bddbd4444d18324d2d215c&​t=1760294&page=3)) \\
  
 +===== Installing an Adjustable Main Jet (L76-87) =====
 +There is an adjustable main jet available from J&P Cycles or others. \\
 +These work great and you don't have to fool around jet guessing whether you have the right size main jet or not. \\
 +They are simple to adjust. Just wind it up to about 65 MPH and run it in until it misses and back it out about a full turn. ((oldnavy of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=877868&​page=2)) \\ 
  
-====== Choke ====== +This kit can be purchased online. It comes with an installation guide and index pointer. \\ 
-The choke is manually operated by pulling out the choke handle+The tool marks inside of the float bowl (as installed) for drilling the proper sized hole to thread in the adjustable main jet.\\ 
-The choke can be positioned either completely closed, partially open or fully open (off for warm engine). \\+The kit can be purchased online. \\ 
 +PDF instructions - [[http://​www.vtwinmfg.com/​instructions/​35/​35-0369.pdf]] \\ 
 +{{:​techtalk:​ref:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_adjustable_main_jet_35-0369.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ​\\
  
-The choke has 4 positions (if pulled out gently it stops at each position); ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1383309&​page=2)) ​\\ +This replaces the main jet (has to be removed). \\ 
-  - Full choke for cold startup (knob all the way in)+The float bowl has to be removed to install ​the adjustable main jet. \\ 
-  - Choke out little (maybe ​1/2"). \\ (choke plate is still fully open but the fast idle cam moves the throttle valve to the fast idle position+A guide tool is included with the kit to install the new jet to properly index the carburetor float bowl. \\ 
-  Pull choke out a little more and the plate is half open and valve opens little more+A index pointer is installed ​in the guide, bowl reinstalled and the pointer is pushed down from inside the venture to dimple the bowl\\ 
-  - Choke all the way out, plate is fully closed ​and valve is in the highest idle position+The bowl is once again removed and a 1/16"-1/8" pilot hole is drilled followed by a 15/64" bit. \\ 
 +After checking for burrs, removing the index tool and guide and cleaning up, the adjustable jet is installed in the float bowl. \\ 
 +(partially unscrew ​the small '​T'​ handle so that the needle in the adjustable jet is not exposed to accidental damage\\ 
 +Remove the nut from the adjustable jet, insert the jet through the 15/64" hole drilled earlier. \\ 
 +Then re-tighten the bowl and gently screw in the '​T'​ handle to the needle seat and then back it out 4 turns. \\ 
 +Finer tuning can be achieved by reading the spark plugs and small adjustments to the “T” handle. \\ 
 +This adjustable jet eliminates the chore of carrying ​and continually changing different main jets with every change in exhaust system or air cleaner. \\ 
 +The hole in the bowl for the '​T'​ handle jet has to be indexed correctly in order for this to work. \\ 
 +The adjustable main jet is designed to operate in conjunction with 1.80 main jet included with the kit. \\ 
 +Make sure you record or remember ​the number of turns off the seat and back off the '​T'​ handle before removing the float bowl later. \\ 
 +This will help prevent needle / jet interference when the float bowl is reinstalled. \\ 
 +For initial adjustment (standard pipes and A/C) it's recommended that the adjustment needle be backed out four (4) turns from the seat. 
 +The adjustable jet set screw is turned ​in, towards ​the float bowl to lean the fuel/air mixture and out from the float bowl to richen the mixture. \\ 
 +Check plugs frequently after jet adjustment, exhaust or A/C to avoid too lean or too rich conditions. \\ 
 + 
 +|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​carb:​kehien_butterfly_carb_1_by_leucadiaguit_-_cropped.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​carb:​kehien_butterfly_carb_2_by_leucadiaguit_-_cropped.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|
  
-Check your butterfly shaft also. If its loose, the bushings are worn and you'll be sucking air. ((egarrett of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=575622&​page=2)) \\ 
  
 ====== ​ Accelerator Pump System ====== ====== ​ Accelerator Pump System ======
-The accelerator pump shoots a shot of gas out of this jet every time the throttle is cranked open. \\ +Contrary to rumor, all Keihin butterfly carbs factory installed on Sportsters did have an accelerator pump. \\ 
-It works with sudden throttle opening (rapid acceleration) to quickly add fuel into the carb for extra fuel during acceleration((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 3-61)) ​\\ +There is diaphragm at the bottom, where the bulge in the casting is. \\ 
-Make sure the stream of gas shoots down inside the carb towards the throttle butterfly. The nozzle is press fit into the float bowl and can be rotated to adjust. \\+The pump pushrod sticks up inside the rubber diaphragm. The bent end of the accel pump rod engages in small curved slot in the black plastic knob. \\
  
-==== Accelerator Pump ====+The accelerator pump uses sudden throttle openings (rapid acceleration) to quickly inject raw fuel into the venturi to provide extra fuel for smooth operation. ((1979-1985 HD Sportster FSM pg 4-7)) \\ 
 +Rapid throttle action during the first half of throttle travel pushes the pump rod down, flexing the diaphragm. \\ 
 +The flexing action forces raw fuel past a check valve and into the venture. \\ 
 +The check valve prevents backflow during this stroke. \\ 
 +The spring under the diaphragm then returns it to it's original position. \\ 
 +Then a new supply of fuel flows in under the diaphragm from the float chamber awaiting the next acceleration. \\
  
-The accelerator ​pump is the gizmo at the right in the first pic belowThere is a diaphragm ​at the bottomwhere that bulge is. \\ +The accel pump rod pushes on the rubber / fabric diaphragm in the pump housing. ((Joe Minton Article “Tuning HD's Keihin Carburetors”)) \\ 
-The pump pushrod sticks up inside ​that rubber bellow ​and you can just see it disappearing behind ​the black plastic knob. \\ +A series of check valves ​in the bowl let the action of the diaphragm take gas from the bowl and force it thru the pump jet and into the throat of the carb\\ 
-The bent end of the accel pump rod engages in small curved slot in the black plastic knob. \\+The amount of gas flowing out of the spray bar depends on the difference in pressure between the float bowl and the carb throat. \\ 
 +When you open the throttle suddenly and the engine ​is running ​at low RPMair moving through the wide open carb will be slow. \\ 
 +The pressure difference won't be much and it will lean out. \\ 
 +The mixture strength ​that gives smooth running at cruise ​and gives good gas mileage is on the lean side and isn't best for max power. \\ 
 +Between the normally lean cruising mixture and the fact that you are leaning ​it out more by yanking ​the throttle open at low RPM, your engine isn't going to work too well. \\ 
 +That's where the accelerator pump comes in. When you open the throttle at low RPM, the accel pump forces gas into the throat ​of the carb. \\ 
 +By the time the carb is at app 1/4 throttle, the pump travel is used up and no longer part of the circuit. \\ 
 +At 1/4 throttle, the velocity thru the carb is high enough that the accel pump isn't needed. \\ 
 +The accelerator pump is operated by a rod attached to spring loaded bell crank mounted on the throttle butterfly shaft. \\ 
 +When you open the throttle, the spring is wound up and forces the rod down. How far the rod travels determines how much gas is forced into the carb's throat. \\
  
-The accelerator pump adjusting screw is missing in the second pic below. Once removed, it gives full pump stroke all the time. \\ +====== Tuning ​the Accel pump ====== 
-The adjusting screw should be through a hole in the top of that black plastic knob and limits ​the amount the black plastic knob can turn before it hits a stop. \\  +\\ 
-More rotation equals more gas pumped, equals better pick up but lower gas mileage in traffic. \\ +===== Accel Pump Check Valves ===== 
-The choke on the '77 is the butterfly and linkage at the left in the second pic. The cable is disconnected for service. \\ +Keihin carbs have 2 check valves ​in the accel pump circuit. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1964931)) ​\\ 
-79 and later have various different linkages here for high idle speed when the choke is used and various others\\+  - The inlet check ball. \\ It's captive ​in the pump cover pn (27364-76}. You can hear it when you shake the cover. 
 +  - The outlet weighted needle (this is the one that resembles a float inlet valve). \\ This valve is captive in the bowl casting (inside the spray nozzle). You can hear it when you shake the bowl.
  
-|Accelerator pump jet: ((photo by Hopper ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))|Missing accel pump adjusting screw. ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=247853))| +In 77-up carbs using float bowl 27384-77; \\ 
-|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_11_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_22_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|+The weighted needle keeps fuel from dribbling out of the discharge jet into the air stream when the pressure in the carb mouth drops too far below atmospheric pressure\\
  
-==== Accelerator Pump Rod Length ====+It does the same thing in L76 carbs plus it does one more thing. It renders the accel curcuit inoperable on slow movement of the pump diaphragm. \\ 
 +The L76 carbs use bowl 27395-76 or 27395-76A. \\
  
-Another important modification to aid smooth idle, according to Minton'​ s article, is to file the end off the accelerator pump rod. \\ +In the first pic below, there are two bowls; a -76A bowl on the left and a -77 bowl on the right. 2nd pic is a closeup ​of the -76A. \\ 
-This stops it resting ​on the pump diaphragm at idle and jiggling it up and down, pumping minute amounts ​of fuel into the carb throat. \\ +You can see a little hole in the passage from the pump to the nozzle. It'​s ​on -76 and -76A bowls only. The -77 don't have that hole. 
-(which dribbles along the bottom of the throat and is not properly mixed with air so it makes the bike run rough} \\ +Additionally,​ -76 bowls use a #100 (.040"​) discharge nozzle, -76a bowls use a #80 (.032"​) and -77 bowls use a #45 (.018"​) nozzle. \\ 
-The factory parts book specifies the standard length as 59.mm for the rod. \\ +{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_bowl_accel_check_valves_1_by_dr_dick.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1964931)) {{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_bowl_accel_check_valves_2_by_dr_dick.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1964931)) ​\\
-It'​s ​hard to measure because the end is not square. \\ +
-But it still sticks out beyond ​the carb body at idle and pushing on the diaphragm. \\+
  
-The carb '​trouble shooting chart' in the manual lists "​accelerator pump pushrod incorrectly adjusted"​ as one cause of rough idle. \\ +===== Accel Pump Jet =====
-But does not offer any information on how to adjust it.  +
-You can file about .010"​-.015 inches off the straight end of the pump rod if sticks out past the end of the hole it sits in at idle. \\ +
-Then when assembling the pump, check that you can grab the pump rod with a pair of long nose pliers and feel that it has some up and down shake when in the idle position. \\ +
-You'd think this might cause a slight delay when cranking the throttle from idle, while the slack is taken up. \\ +
-But it has been done and on the road, it was detectable for any delay. The gap is so tiny. \\ +
-In the second pic below where the right-angle end of the accelerator pump pushrod fits, the bottom straight end is the end to file down very slightly. \\+
  
-This accelerator ​pump adjusting ​screw adjusts ​how much gas is pumped ​out by the accelerator ​pump. \\ +How fast the pump's gas is delivered to the carb depends on the strength of the spring pushing on the pump rod and the size of the pump jet. \\ 
-(each time you crank the throttle in the first 1/4 to 1/2 of throttle opening\\+You can control the rod throw, and therefore the volume with the limit screw (or the one you've added on later carbs). \\ 
 +You can control the rate of delivery with the size of the pump jet. However, the volume and delivery rate aren't the only things you can control. \\ 
 +There are two pump jet sizes, 60 and 80. Like the idle jet, the number is also the size of the orifice in hundredths of a millimeter. \\ 
 +The 60 is better than the 80. A 50 may be better still. ((Joe Minton Article "​Tuning HD's Keihin Carburetors"​)) \\ 
 +The size of the jet determines ​how long it takes to deliver one squirt of gas. The bigger the jet, the shorter the squirt will last. \\ 
 +A small jet will spray it's gas into the carb when the carb is opened slowly. \\ 
 +A larger jet will let it dribble along the floor of the carb where it won't do a lot of good. \\ 
 +You can't buy the jet unless you buy the float bowl as they are not sold separately. \\ 
 +And you can't get the earlier -77 anymore (outside of occasional NOS or Ebay items). But you can solder up the 80 and re-drill to a smaller size. \\ 
 +A #76 drill bit will give you an app size 50 jet. You may have to clean the solder ​out of the large hole but that's easily done. \\  
 +|Accelerator pump jet location: ((photo ​by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))|Note hole in jet. ((photo by Brendan of the XLFORUM, cropped by Hippysmack http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=5759323&​highlight=keihin+butterfly#​post5759323))| 
 +|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_11_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb6_by_brendan_-_cropped.jpg?​direct&​300|}}| 
 + 
 +===== Accelerator Pump Adjusting Screw ===== 
 +Early Keihins had a screw to control ​the pump rod throw and thus the amount of gas delivered to the carb. \\ 
 +Later carbs don't have the screw but they still have the hole the screw went in. \\ 
 +You can run a screw in there and gain some control over how much the accel pump actually pumps. \\ 
 +The screw adjusts how much gas is pumped out by the accelerator pump each time you crank the throttle in the first 1/4 to 1/2 of throttle opening\\
 Some have ran for years with no screw in here, which works fine and gives maximum fuel every time you crank it. \\ Some have ran for years with no screw in here, which works fine and gives maximum fuel every time you crank it. \\
 However, if you put one in and set it to the factory 1/4" gap, maybe it will save a little gas. \\ However, if you put one in and set it to the factory 1/4" gap, maybe it will save a little gas. \\
-Note: If you have a 79 or later carb, the front side will look a little different from the one below. \\ +Note: If you have a 79 or later carb, the front side will look a little different from the one below due to the fast idle linkage between the choke and throttle butterfly\\ 
-(due to the fast idle linkage between the choke and the throttle butterfly ​someplace here) \\ +The amount of fuel injected by the accel. ​pump is adjusted by means of the rocker arm adjusting screw, ((HD TSB #694 dated November 7, 1975)) \\ 
- +(dependent on the stroke ​of the rod and and how far open the throttle was when you opened it the rest of the way)\\ 
-**Note**: \\ +Factory adjustment is 6mm (app 1/4"between the end of the screw and the stop\\  
-If the accelerator ​pump rod is too longit will be spurting fuel at steady throttle. ​((IronMick ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=10)((oldnavy ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=877868&​page=2)) \\ +The adjusting screw should be through a hole in the top of the black plastic knob and limits the amount the knob can turn before it hits a stop\\  
-You only need to shorten the accelerator pump rodif while running, it is spitting fuel out of the pump jet (into the venturi at steady throttle). \\ If it is spitting, you will be able to see it doing soThis was a fix from the factory.  +Back the screw out for more fuel (more rotationand in for less fuel (less rotation)\\ 
-Do not shorten ​it under any other circumstances. \\+More rotation equals more gas pumpedequals better pick up but lower gas mileage in traffic. \\ 
 +The rocker arm spring controls stroke duration and is adjustable by means of three locating notches in the accel pump rocker arm (center pos. is standard). \\ 
 +The choke on the '​77 ​is the butterfly and linkage at the left in the second picThe cable is disconnected for service. \\ 
 +79 and later have various different linkages here for high idle speed when the choke is used and various others\\ 
 +The accelerator pump adjusting screw is missing in the second pic below. Once removed, ​it gives full pump stroke all the time. \\
  
-|Measure the rod length. ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))|File bottom straight end. ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))|Accelerator pump adjusting screw. ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))| +|Early accelerator pump adjusting screw. ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))|Accelerator pump adjusting screw removed. ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=247853))|Later pump mech assembly, no screw.
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-==== Check the pump nozzle aim ====+===== Check the pump nozzle aim ===== 
 +The accel pump nozzle is pressed in the and part of the float bowl assembly. \\ 
 +L76 float bowl (27395-76A) with short accel pump nozzle. \\ 
 +77-78 float bowl (27395-77) with short accel pump nozzle. \\ 
 +79-85 float bowl (27890-78) with tall accel pump nozzle. \\ 
 +==== 79 and later 34mm Keihin butterfly carbs ====
  
-On 79 and later 34mm Keihin butterfly carbs, \\ +Do not re-aim the 79-up accelerator pump as recommended in Joe Minton'​s ​magazine article ​below. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=2003742#​post2003742)) ​\\ 
-Do not re-aim the accelerator pump as recommended in the magazine article. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=2003742#​post2003742)) \\+The accel pump jet in 79-up carbs is taller and right up to the height of the choke plate. \\ 
 +So there is no need for the extra notch in the plate and or to adjust the aim of the nozzle. ​\\
 The spray does not atomize as it passes thru the venturi, so that if it is aimed too far to the rear or front that cylinder will get all of the fuel. \\ The spray does not atomize as it passes thru the venturi, so that if it is aimed too far to the rear or front that cylinder will get all of the fuel. \\
 If you re-aim the jet so that the stream is aimed at the middle of the manifold, then virtually all of the fuel will go to the front cylinder. \\ If you re-aim the jet so that the stream is aimed at the middle of the manifold, then virtually all of the fuel will go to the front cylinder. \\
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 {{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​accpumpaim_by_hippysmack.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((drawing by Hippysmack, redrawn from IronMick'​s drawing http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=2003742#​post2003742)) \\ {{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​accpumpaim_by_hippysmack.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((drawing by Hippysmack, redrawn from IronMick'​s drawing http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=2003742#​post2003742)) \\
  
-On 76-78 38mm Keihin'​s, the nozzle needs to be aimed so the squirt goes through the little cutout in the choke butterfly disc and does not hit the choke disc and splatter. \\+==== 76-78 38mm Keihin'​s ​==== 
 +This is based on recommendation noted in Joe Minton'​s article "​Tuning HD's Keihin Carburetors"​. \\ 
 +The nozzle needs to be aimed so the squirt goes through the little cutout in the choke butterfly disc and does not hit the choke disc and splatter. \\
 The jet of gas can hit the choke butterfly in the open position, so big blobs of unmixed fuel can get sucked in. \\ The jet of gas can hit the choke butterfly in the open position, so big blobs of unmixed fuel can get sucked in. \\
 It may not fire down the manifold throat as some have observed, because the throttle is not far enough open to allow that. \\ It may not fire down the manifold throat as some have observed, because the throttle is not far enough open to allow that. \\
 There is a small notch in the choke butterfly. \\ There is a small notch in the choke butterfly. \\
-The accelerator pump jet needs to be rotated so the squirt of fuel goes exactly through that notch (when choke is open) and hits the throttle butterfly dead center just above the two spindle screws. \\+The accelerator pump jet needs to be rotated so the squirt of fuel goes exactly through that notch (when the choke is open). \\ 
 +The squirt should hit the throttle butterfly dead center just above the two spindle screws. \\
 The nozzle is a press fit into the bowl and may be tight after being there so many years. \\ The nozzle is a press fit into the bowl and may be tight after being there so many years. \\
 See the point in the third pic below where the squirt of gas should end up. \\ See the point in the third pic below where the squirt of gas should end up. \\
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 The pencil shows the direction the jet hole was facing before adjustment. \\ The pencil shows the direction the jet hole was facing before adjustment. \\
  
-|Before adjusting. ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))|+|Before adjusting ​(factory position). ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))|
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 Any wiring that that may get too hot / catch fire doesn'​t need gas nearby. \\ Any wiring that that may get too hot / catch fire doesn'​t need gas nearby. \\
  
-While installing ​the accelerator ​pumpthe diaphragm goes on first, then spring, then cover. \\ +|After adjusting. ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))|Accelerator ​pump from the outside. \\ (see caution above) ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))| 
-Make sure those two square section O-rings are in place and in good conditionElse, gas will leak out there instead of getting squirted into your engine\\+|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_15_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_16_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|
  
-|After adjusting. ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))|Accelerator ​pump from the outside. \\ (see caution above((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))|Check position of O-rings. ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))| +===== Andrews High Flow Accelerator ​Pump (Keihin butterfly) =====
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-====== Float Level Adjustment======+79-up 34mm Keihin carbs will not fill there accelerator pumps as quickly as the 76-78 38mm ones((Joe Minton Article "​Tuning HD's Keihin Carburetors"​)) \\ 
 +The earlier pump would refill in about 1/2 second. The later one takes three seconds. \\ 
 +The earlier pump will allow you to get by the choke and will help you catch the engine if you let the clutch out too fast at a red light. \\ 
 +The main difference is the pump housing. The early accel pump passages had both an inlet and an outlet hole for gas routing. \\ 
 +The Andrews pump is reportedly the same as Harley part (27364-76) for the early 38mm Keihins. \\ 
 +Actually, if you can find a 38mm pump and drill the hole in your carb body, you'll have the old style accel pump. \\
  
-The float needle should just kiss the seat with no extra pressure. \\ +On 1980-1988 Keihin carbs, the stock accelerator pump is restricted by eliminating ​the check valves ​in the pumpA high flow accelerator pump puts them back. ((IronMick ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=93242)) \\ 
-Aftermarket float valves have a spring loaded pin under the float tab. \\ +The result is increased fuel flow through ​the pump and greatly improved low end and mid range throttle response. \\
-So when the valve tip closes onto the seatyou can still push the valve down further. \\ +
-The valve should '​just'​ close when measuring ​the float level. Pushing further ​in from there will not close the valve any further\\ +
-But it will cause you to set the float level wrong. The valve should be a light seat when measuring. \\ +
-Some aftermarket float needles with the spring loaded pin also have a defective neoprene tip on the other end, which does not seal even when set right. ((Hopper ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1526333&​highlight=float+level&​page=4)) \\ +
-Since the tip on the needle on aftermarket ones don't work well, some would use the old original one (solid pin) to get a better measurement. ((Smerch of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1526333&​highlight=float+level&​page=4))\\ +
-Beats assembling the carb only to have it sit there and flood with gas\\ +
-Also make sure you have the float valve for the correct type of Keihin carb. The CV valves are a little taller. \\ +
-{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​float_valve_by_megadeth_-_labeled.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by Megadeth of the XLFORUM, labeled by Hippysmack http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1526333&​highlight=float+level&​page=3)) {{:​techtalk:​evo:​carb:​keihin_float_valve_comparison_by_hippysmack.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by Hippysmack)) ​\\ +
  
-The measurement ​in the FSM is a reference point that will keep the OEM float within a fully open and fully closed position. \\+The Keihin butterfly carb already has an accelerator pump, so the Andrews high-flow pump body just replaces the stock one on the bottom of the float bowl. ((83XLX of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2064358)) \\ 
 +There is one on the [[https://​vtwin.parts/​index.php?​_route_=supplier/​v-twin/​sportster-1952-up/​fuel-air-system/​carburetor/​rebuild-kits/​harley-davidson-indian-motorcycle-keihin-carburetor-accelerator-pump-kit-35-9050&​limit=50|V-twin website]] called the Flowmaster accelerator pump. \\ 
 +It has a V-twin part number of 35-9050, Manufacturer Keihin, Part Number: 269050. \\ 
 +//​Flowmaster carb accelerator pump kit improves throttle response on Keihin carburetor models with a greater volume of fuel from the pump circuit//. \\ 
 +Makes since as Andrews used to make the Flowmaster carb. \\ 
 +The pump is listed as out of stock and has been since at least of march 2018 yet the listing is still up. \\ 
 +In fact and according to the V-twin website, it's been discontinued and no replacement is listed. \\ 
 + 
 +Installation instructions from Andrews is [[http://​www.andrewsproducts.com/​files/​assets/​carbpump1.pdf|here]]. \\ 
 + 
 +Features: ((http://​www.johnnysreplacementparts.com/​product/​andrews-high-flow-accelerator-pump-kit-269050/​)) \\ 
 +  * Improves throttle response 
 +  * Larger fuel volume/​discharge 
 +  * Fits 79-89 H-D using Keihin carburetor (except Flowmaster and CV carbs) 
 +  * Easy to install 
 +  * Fits 79-89 H-D with Keihin carb 
 +  * Dimensions: 5"​x3"​x1";​ 0.3 pounds 
 + 
 +A high flow accelerator pump is also a great all around upgrade for these carbs. ((oldnavy of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=877868&​page=2)) \\ 
 +{{:​techtalk:​ref:​carb:​andrews_accel_pump_1_by_paraord.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by paraord of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=3908971)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​carb:​andrews_accel_pump_2_by_paraord.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by paraord of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=3908971)) \\ 
 + 
 +**How the High Flow Accelerator Pump should be installed**:​ ((Andrews Products, Inc. INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS 
 +High Flow Accelerator Pump for Stock Keihin Carburetors For Stock Keihin Carbs from 1980-1988)) \\ 
 +  - Remove float bowl from carburetor. There are four screws holding it in place. \\ It is not necessary to remove ​the entire carburetor from the engine to install your new high flow accelerator pump. 
 +  - Clean any fuel residue from the bowl assembly and remove the stock accelerator pump housing. \\ It is held in place with three screws but one of them already has been removed with the bowl.  
 +  - Position the bowl upside down for drilling a single hole through the bottom. 
 +  - Any drill of approximately 1/16 diameter will be quite satisfactory. \\ The exact location for this hole is already marked with a dimple on the bottom of the float bowl casting as shown in photo below. \\ {{:​techtalk:​ref:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb5.2_by_brendan_-_annotated.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by brendan of the XLFORUM, annotated by Hippysmack http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=5759323&​highlight=keihin+butterfly#​post5759323)) 
 +  - Feed the drill through until it breaks out into the float chamber. \\ Don’t worry if the hole breaks into either a cross drilled passage or through the actual bottom of the bowl. \\ The location is not critical as long as fuel can feed through into the accelerator pump. 
 +  - Thoroughly clean any drill chips from the bowl. There is a small bypass hole in the bottom of the bowl which does not have to be plugged. \\ Several earlier magazine articles have recommended plugging this hole but there will be no measurable benefit from doing so. 
 +  - Install the new accelerator pump housing onto the bowl with the two shortest screws of the original three. \\ Make sure that the two small O-ring seals are installed; \\ One into a recess in the pump housing. \\ The second into a recess into the bottom of the bowl casting. 
 +  - If the accelerator pump jet needs to aimed differently,​ now is the time to do this. \\ With a small adjustable wrench, carefully reposition the pump jet by gently turning it in the bowl casting (it’s a press fit). 
 +  - Reinstall the bowl and pump assembly back onto the carburetor body to complete the job. \\ The extra fuel from the larger capacity pump should result in smoother, quicker throttle response especially off idle or at low RPM. 
 + 
 +===== Alternative using CV accelerator pump ===== 
 + 
 +It looks like Keihin made all these covers so any of the basic raw castings can have additional operations incorporated to be used in any of their many configurations. ((chevelle of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2009248)) \\  
 +The stock pump cover for non CV Harley carbs (2-2) uses the same passage for supply and pump shot. \\ 
 +The high flow cover uses separate passages for supply and pump shot (4-2). \\ 
 +It also contains a loose check ball in the passage. \\ 
 +The stock cover is not easily owner modified to incorporate separate passages and check ball (2-2). \\ 
 + 
 +The Keihin CV pump cover (4-1) (left in center photo) is a high flow cover just as the Andrews. \\ 
 +The only difference is the (4-1) cover has an extra counter-bore compared with stock non CV. \\ 
 +The CV cover is made with packing bore in cover. \\ 
 +The non CV is made with packing bore in bowl body. \\ 
 +It seems the CV (4-1) cover can be made to work in a non CV if (2) square packing are used, one in cover and one in carb body. \\ 
 +Note: All orifices in covers are the same. \\ 
 + 
 +{{:​techtalk:​ref:​carb:​acel_pumps_1_by_chevelle.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by chevelle of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2009248)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​carb:​acel_pumps_2_by_chevelle.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by chevelle of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2009248)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​carb:​acel_pumps_3_by_chevelle.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by chevelle of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2009248)) \\ 
 + 
 +====== Float Level Adjustment ====== 
 +Fuel from the gas tank passes through the fuel valve and into the float chamber which causes the float to rise. ((HD 1970-1978 ​FSM pg 3-58)) \\ 
 +The float valve (attached to the float) rises with it and seals off the fuel from the tank once the level rises to a pre-determined level. \\ 
 +This pre-determined level is set manually by bending the tang on the float. \\ 
 + 
 +Check the float level using the specs in the FSM for setting the float level. \\ 
 +And check it every time you dismantle the carb (as the last thing before putting it back together). 
 +After checking the float level, then carefully put it back together. \\ 
 +Replace the screws: \\ 
 +It's best to replace the original Phillips screws for the bowl with stainless steel socket head screws. \\ 
 + 
 +The measurements in the FSM are a reference point that will keep the OEM float within a fully open and fully closed position. \\
 Using aftermarket parts, you may have to adjust some. \\ Using aftermarket parts, you may have to adjust some. \\
 With carb in bike, you can put a small catch tin under it and turn on the gas and move the float until the flow of gas actually stops. \\ With carb in bike, you can put a small catch tin under it and turn on the gas and move the float until the flow of gas actually stops. \\
 (with no smoking or flames of course) \\ (with no smoking or flames of course) \\
-You make the adjustment by bending the little tab that pushes on the end of the float needle. \\ +Procedure: ​\\
-The -78 FSM specifies this distance as 9/16" to 5/8" (14mm-16mm). Setting the float lower will tend to make the carb act lean at low speed. \\ +
-Setting the float high can cause rich running, flooding and dribbles out the overflow line. \\+
  
-Equally important is to set the wide open float setting by bending the other metal tag on the float by the pivot. It should be 28mm-30mm. \\+==== 76-78 Sportster carbs ==== 
 + 
 +Two positions of the float valve must be set; The valve fully closed and The valve fully open. \\ 
 +Setting the closed position lower will tend to make the carb act lean at low speed. \\ 
 +Setting it higher can cause rich running, flooding and dribbles out the overflow line. \\ 
 +Equally important is to set the wide open float setting by bending the other metal tag on the float by the pivot. \\
 This makes sure the float needle fully opens at full throttle openings and allows full fuel flow without starvation. \\ This makes sure the float needle fully opens at full throttle openings and allows full fuel flow without starvation. \\
 It also stops the float hitting the bottom of the float bowl and possibly getting damaged. \\ It also stops the float hitting the bottom of the float bowl and possibly getting damaged. \\
 +If the gas level is too far off, you will not be able to tune the carb. ((Joe Minton Article "​Tuning HD's Keihin Carburetors)) \\
 +  - **Fully closed measurement**:​ Tip the carb upside down so the float assembly is facing up. \\ Measure from outside surface of the float to flat mounting surface of the carb body casting. \\ Measurement:​ 9/16" to 5/8" (14mm-16mm). ((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 3-63))
 +  - **Fully open measurement**:​ Next turn the carb over (right side up). \\ Measure from the same surfaces as above (outside surface of the float to flat mounting surface of the carb body casting). \\ Measurement:​ 1-3/​32"​-1-3/​16"​ (28mm-30mm). ((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 3-63))
  
-|Setting the float level. ((photos ​by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))||+The MoCo sold a float level gauge (94752-77) for measuring or you can use a ruler or caliper. \\ 
 +The actual adjustments are made by carefully bending the two tabs of the metal clip on the float assembly until these two dimensions are achieved. \\ 
 + 
 +|Setting 'fully closed'​ position. ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))|Setting 'fully open' position. ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))|
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 +==== 79-87 Sportster carbs ====
 +There is only one measurement to set with these. \\
 +Turn the carb body sideways as shown below. \\
 +The valve should be fully closed with a measurement of .63"​-.67"​ (16mm-17mm) from the top of the float to the bowl mounting surface. ((1979-1985 HD Sportster FSM pg 4-8)) \\
  
-===== Keihin Butterfly - Rebuilding ​Refreshing =====+{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_7_by_county_fair.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by County Fair of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1760294&​page=3))
  
-\\+====== Heat Spacer ====== 
 +**The insulating block was never suggested for use on Sportster Keihin butterfly carbs by the MoCo**. \\ 
 +In December of 1976, insulating block (27412-57) was suggested to use on 76 and later FL and FX models (one block on FX and two blocks on FL models). ((HD TSB #M707 dated December 1, 1976)) \\ 
 +In August of 1977, a Service Bulletin was issued regarding the use of a spacer block on 1977→ 1200CC engines. ((HD TSB #M715 dated August 12, 1977)) \\ 
 +In that, it is suggested to install a 'new available'​ spacer block (5895) on 1200CC engines between the intake manifold and the carburetor. \\ 
 +It's purpose was to prevent erratic idle or spit-back through the carb in slow moving traffic or at high ambient temperature. ​\\
  
 +Some Sportster owners say they have never needed them and others use them regularly. \\
 +**Argument for using the spacer**: \\
 +((photo by Robicycle of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1663198&​highlight=keihin+bowl)) ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3)) {{ :​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_6_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}} \\ {{ :​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_4_by_robicycle.jpg?​direct&​300|}} \\
 +The Phenolic fiber spacer helps with hot idle or starting problems. One infuriatingly simple thing that affects idle, starting and carb farts when your engine is hot, is this phenolic fiber spacer. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3)) It's between the carb and manifold, which some models had and others did not. It stops engine heat from flowing into the carb. If your model doesn'​t have one of these stock, you can cut one out of a sheet of fiber about 3/16" thick. JP Cycles or others sell one that is a bit thicker and might work even better. There should be a gasket on each side of the spacer while still using the rubber O-ring on the carb flange. Of course, make sure both the carb flange and the manifold are filed nice and flat with a 10-inch flat file first. Without it, your carb can get too hot to touch within minutes of the bike being parked with a hot engine. Even the air filter gets hot. There is a lot of heat flowing from the heads, up the manifold and into the carb which makes it hard to start and idle rough. The heat vaporizes the fuel in the float bowl and it can boil and come out the overflow tube at the bottom of the float bowl. This also means the tiny amount of fuel trying to go through the idle adjuster screw and into the carb throat can also vaporize. Fuel going into the engine needs to be tiny globules of liquid fuel, not vapor. Putting a heat-blocking spacer on is really worth the effort if you ride a lot in city traffic. (where idling at the lights will allow heat to flow into the carb while there is no cooling wind) With a kick only XLCH, the easier hot starting is a Godsend. \\
  
-==== Disassembly ====+Gas getting to the boiling can happen for several reasons. \\ 
 +Having the gas line resting against the engine, the float set too low and others will also attribute to boiling gas. \\
  
-  ​Removing the carb from the bike should be straight forwardFirst thing when it is out is to check the pilot screw setting((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=185361)) ​\\ Turn it all the way in until gently seated counting ​the number ​of 1/4 turns; then write this number down; then reset it+====== Vacuum Ports (83-up) ====== 
-This rig works well to get the carb off to fit the heat block without having ​to take off the horn and ignition switch brackets. \\ +**VOES port**. \\ 
-1/2" deep socket, 3/8" drive, universal joint and 6" extension. \\ +The VOES port delivers vacuum ​to the Vacuum Operated Electric SwitchThe Evap port on 83 model carbs also doubles as the VOES port. \\ 
-{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_carb_7_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ​((photo by Hopper ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=276157&​page=3))+The port is drilled near the idle transfer ports in the top of the venture on the 83 carb (left side eying from the A/C)\\ 
 +The port is drilled into the intake manifold flange on 84-up models (right side eying from the A/C). \\ 
 +**Evap port**. \\ 
 +You may have noticed a second vacuum port on 84 and up Keihin butterfly carbs. It feeds vacuum ​to the Evaporative Emission Controls on California models only. \\ 
 +The Evap port is drilled near the idle transfer ports in the top of the venture (left side eying from the A/C) and on the 83 carb, it also doubles as the VOES port. \\ 
 +The purpose of the port is to prevent fuel hydrocarbon vapors from escaping into the atmosphere. ((1979-1985 HD FSM pg 4-43)) \\ 
 +(in compliance with California Air Resources Board (CARB) emissions regulations at the time of manufacture and on __California models only__) \\ 
 +There is a black plug over the evaporative port on all 1983-up Keihin butterfly carbs\\
  
-  * **Pilot screw**: +The evaporative port is normally plugged off on models without ​the vacuum canister. \\ 
-    * Remove the pilot screw and clean the parts and the passage. +If you are not running ​VOES or an EVAP canister, both ports can be safely plugged off. \\ 
-    * The passage contains in this sequence: (pilot screw, spring, washer, O-ring). +Just be aware they are both potential air leaks if the plug deteriorates ​and should be inspected ​for leaks periodically. \\
-    * These are very small parts, especially the washer and O-ring. Usually the spring will easily fall out. +
-    * The technique for removing the washer and O-ring ​is usually to use a pipe cleaner: \\ Stick it in the hole, twist it around, remove it - you should see the washer and O-ring ​on the end of the pipe cleaner. \\ Remember that the purpose of the washer is to protect the O-ring from the spring and you will always get them back in in the correct sequence. +
-    * **Note**: Some carbs, notably 1966 to 1978 Sportster carbs, do not have the O-ring and washer in the pilot screw passage. +
-  * **Float**:​ +
-    * Handle the float carefully so as to not change the level. +
-  * **Jets**: +
-    * The jets are made of brass, ​soft metal that is easily damaged. ​ \\ Use an exact correct size screwdriver to keep from damaging the slot. \\ You can grind a medium flat blade screwdriver down to exact size on a bench grinder to access the slow jet. +
-    * Make a list of all of the jets and passages ​for your carb using the carb manual or the FM for the bike. \\ Then ensure that you can blow either compressed air or carb cleaner thru each one. +
-  * **Accelerator pump**: +
-    * Dismantle the accelerator pump assembly noting carefully the sequence and orientation of the parts. +
-    * Clean and inspect the parts. +
-    * Replace the diaphragm if it is cracked.+
  
 +When the engine is not running, any pressure build-up of hydrocarbon vapors are directed thru a vapor valve and are stored in a charcoal canister. \\
 +At start-up, a vacuum line from the carb will purge (or draw off) the vapors in the canister and send them to the engine thru the '​extra'​ vacuum port on the carb. \\
 +The vapor valve prevents gas from escaping thru the vapor vent line when the engine is tipped over a certain angle. \\
 +A large diameter hose purges the canister with fresh air from the air cleaner thru the A/C backing plate. \\
 +The vapor valve is mounted on the right downtube (in an upright position to work properly). \\
 +The canister is mounted on the left downtube (positioned below the carb to work properly). \\
 +The line to the gas tank on XLX and XLH models is hooked to the vent tube on the bottom of the tank. \\
 +On XLS models, it's hooked to the vent on the gas filler neck. \\
 +|1983 Keihin butterfly - single vacuum port. ((photo by RatRodder of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​threadid=1670881))|1984-up Keihin butterfly - dual vacuum ports. ((photo by froddy of the XLFORUM, annotated by Hippysmack http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=861684&​page=2))|
 +|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​83_keihin_butterfly_carb_by_ratrodder.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_butterfly_off_84_pic_1_by_froddy_-_annotated.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|
  
 +====== Troubleshooting ======
 +((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pgs 3-64, 3-65)) ((1979-1985 HD Sportster FSM pgs 4-9, 4-10)) \\ \\
 +Most carburetor problems really are electrical, just like the old timers always say. (Hopper)
  
 +===== Altitude and Ambient Temps =====
 +A Carb works by mixing air and fuel into a vaporous mixture. We want the ideal mixture so the bike runs well. ((stevo of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=49078)) \\
 +Unfortunately it's not quite simple as a carburetor mixes air by a set volume to set the amount of fuel. \\
 +The amount of oxygen density in that set amount of air varies and this is what gives variations in mixture due to differing conditions. \\
 +The required air / fuel mixture changes depending on the conditions. \\
 +Max power for acceleration is around 12.5 parts air to one part fuel. \\
 +Chemically correct or stoichiometric is 14.7:1 \\
 +A rich mixture misfire usually needs about 6-7:1 \\
 +A lean mixture misfire usually needs over 20:1 \\
 +We want to try and get the most fuel in there that we can but the limiting factor is the amount of oxygen that we can fit in there and give the correct ratio. \\
 +A number of things have an effect on the amount of oxygen we can get in there. \\
 +Just like you run out of breath at altitude because of lack of oxygen, so does your bike. \\
  
-==== Cleaning ==== +  ​Carburetor modification kits (including jet(s) ​and an accelerator pump stop screw) were made available for 1200cc1340cc ​and 1000cc models ​to provide leaner fuel mixtures when operating at elevations above 4000 feet sea level. ((HD Service Blletin #M-730 dated June 151978)
-  ​The general appearance of the inside of the carb is not necessarily a good indication of its condition. \\ It can look spotless ​and have clogged jetsor look cruddy ​and have clear jets. +    Normallyleaner fuel/air mixtures are required for proper engine operation as the elevation above sea level increases. The decreased jet sizes and accelerator ​pump modifications should be installed where there is evidence of a rich condition causing loss of smooth combustionstumbling on acceleration or such other carburetor issues at high altitudes.  
-  * It's good to clean each individual part rather than soak or boil the whole carb in carb cleaner\\ But either way is good. Do not allow any solvents to contact any rubber parts (tip of needleO-ring seal for bowl). +    High Altitude Kits: 
-  Make sure to take everything apartjets, needle, accel pump, all rubber components especially+      1978 1/2 FLH-1200 (27094-78). \\ Consisted of a 160 main jet72 slow jet and a label for the downtube. \\ In addition ​to installing ​the parts on the carb, the FLH-1200 models required changing ​the position ​of the accelerator pump spring pre-load position. \\ The spring should go in the top (#1) position as opposed to the #3 (std) position on the pump lever. 
-  Examine all parts for excessive wear, damage, distortion, etc. +      * FX/FXE/FXS-1200 (27095-78)\\ Consisted ​of an accelerator pump screw and label for the downtube. \\ Install ​and adjust the accel pump stop screw to extend 1/8" past hole in lever
-  Cleaning solutions/sprays vary based upon your location, needsbudget, preferences ​and quality. \\ Dismantle the carb down to the body before soaking. You will be surprised at all the dirt in the bottom ​of the soaking container. \\ Here are some helpful ideas:  +      XLH/XLCH/XLCR-1000 (27096-79). \\ Consisted of a 160 main jet, an accelerator pump screw and a label for the downtube\\ Install and adjust ​the accel pump stop screw to extend 1/8" past hole in lever
-     * An overnight soak in a solution of Pinesol and water followed up with a good brush down with a toothbrush then rinse and air dry. ((http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/pinesol-really-does-clean-carburetors-amazingly-pics-inside-248810.html)) +      FLH-801340cc, (27093-78). \\ Consisted of a 155 main jet and a label for the downtube.
-     * A 20 minute to up to a few days soak in a gallon ​of Gunk (or other) Carburetor Cleaner that has basket inside ​for small parts and lowers ​in the can with a handle, rinse, air dry, use+
-     ​Soak it in mineral spirits for a few days. ((Monte03 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=185361)+
-     * You can use acrylic paint thinners for cleaning up carb partsIt melts the fuel varnish right off((russzx6 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=185361)) +
-     * An aerosol spray carb cleaner will also work but may not loosen all of the build up in the jets or orifices in the carb body if they'​re not directly sprayed through.  +
-  Blow out all holesjets and orifices thoroughly with compressed air after cleaning.+
  
-A gallon of carburetor cleaner is very useful in cleaning parts. \\ +**Note**, any motorcycle modified ​for high altitude operation must be converted back to standard if operated at altitudes below 4000 feet. \\ An overly lean condition can cause engine damage.
-It is especially useful for soaking stuck gaskets between parts and loosen the joint between them for dis-assembly. \\ +
-Depending on how old or how '​stuck'​ the parts aresoaking for a couple hours may help to separate the old gasket in between. \\ +
-Make sure to remove ​any rubber or plastic parts before soaking. Also check the label for safety precautions. \\ +
-Parts that have been sitting for years may have to be soaked for about 24 hours or even days. \\ +
-|  Carburetor Cleaner ((photo by Hippysmack)) ​ || +
-|{{techtalk:​ref:​genmsr:​parts_cleaner_1_by_hippysmack.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{techtalk:​ref:​genmsr:​parts_cleaner_2_by_hippysmack.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|+
  
-**Carb Stand**: ​\\ +The air pressure or barometric pressure is higher at sea level than at high altitude. ​\\ 
-  * You can put the carb in a vice to remove ​the screws, and for much of the following work. \\ Wrap in a shop towel; close the vice gently taking extra care with the choke and throttle linkages. ​\\ The vice is a needed extra pair of hands. +The more pressure we have means the more oxygen ​in the same amount ​of air. \\ 
-  * It can be very confusing trying to decide which way to bend the tang if it is not correct. \\ If the fuel level is low,Is the float high or low?Do you need to bend the tang up or down? etc. \\ On the bench the carb is usually upside down, adding to the confusion. You should sort all this out before making an adjustments.+Example: ​\\ 
 +The bike is jetted for the correct ​mixture at sea level. Then you go up the mountains. \\ 
 +The higher ​the altitude, the less oxygenand the richer the bike will run. \\ 
 +The opposite ​is also true\\
  
-However, this setup works better than putting the carb (pre-CV) directly into the vice. \\ +Hotter Air = Less Oxygen → Richer Mix ((stevo of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=49078)) \\ 
-The carb is set upright as 'in use' making adjustments more straight forward. \\ +Colder Air = More Oxygen → Leaner Mix \\ 
-{{:​techtalk:​ref:​tools:​carb_stand_1_by_ironmick.jpg?​direct&​150|}} ​((photo by IronMick ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=185361)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​tools:​carb_stand_2_by_ironmick.jpg?​direct&​150|}} ​((photo by IronMick ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=185361))  \\ +Higher Barometric Pressure (Low Altitude) = More Oxygen → Leaner Mix \\ 
-   +Lower Barometric Pressure (Higher Altitude) = Less Oxygen → Richer Mix \\ 
-==== Servicing ​the Carb ==== +Higher Humidity = Less Oxygen → Richer Mix \\ 
-See also [[techtalk:​ref:​carb07|Keihin Carb Upgrades - Butterfly ​and CV Types]] in the REF section of the Sportsterpedia. \\+Lower Humidity = More Oxygen → Leaner Mix \\ 
 +===== Fuel overflow ===== 
 +The overflow tube is a safety feature in case the float needle does not prevent flow and the bowl gets full. ((IXL2Relax ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2071025)) \\ 
 +It prevents ​the fuel from being pushed out of the carb float bowl, into the carb / manifold, ​and filling ​the cylinders (or crankcase) with the overflowing fuel. \\
  
-You can purchase individual parts or a rebuild kitThe kits will not have needles, jets or the spring, washer & o-ring for the Idle Mixture Screw.+It also serves to keep the pressure in the bowl at atmospheric levelA bend or kink in the overflow line can allow pressure to build in the bowl. \\ 
 +Usually a piece of hose is installed on the fitting on the bottom of the bowl and then ran between the engine and (79-83 - generator or 84-85 oil filter)\\ 
  
-The rebuild kits are usually less than $20 and include: +You can check for an overflow problem by installing a clear hose on the bowl fitting and run the hose up taller ​than the carb. \\ 
-  * Carb-to-Manifold Seal +Then watch for gas to rise in the hose with the engine running at different throttle levels. \\
-  * Carb-to-Air Cleaner Gasket +
-  * Float Bowl Gasket/​O-ring +
-  * New Float Needle +
-  * New Accelerator Pump Diaphragm & Spring +
-  * Some Misc Parts/Seals+
  
-Check the plastic fuel inlet for cracks or breaks. Time will make the plastic brittle. You can be proactive and just replace it with a brass 90 elbow. \\ +{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​b83b_keihin_float_bowl.jpg?​direct&​250|}} ((B83B Keihin Float Bowl)) ​{{:​techtalk:​ih:carb:overflow_fitting_by_blackace.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by BlackAce of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?t=2071025)) \\
-See [[techtalk:​ref:​carb07#​replacing_the_plastic_fuel_inlet_fitting_with_a_brass_90_degree_fitting|Replacing the Plastic Fuel Inlet Fitting with a Brass 90 Degree Fitting]] in the Keihin carb upgrade article in the REF section of the Sportsterpedia. \\ +
-The brass replacement elbow part number (27371-76a). \\ +
-The CVP brass elbow fits Harley CV40 carburetors 1988-2006 and Harley Keihin "​butterfly"​ carburetors 1981-1989. ((https://​cv-performance.com/​harley-fuel-max-inlet-elbow)) \\ +
-{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​keihin_plastic_fuel_inlet.jpg?​direct&​200|}} {{:​techtalk:​ref:carb:cv_fuel_inlet_elbow_mod_5_by_hippysmack.jpg?​direct&​270|}} {{:techtalk:​ih:​carb:​brass_fuel_inlet_on_keihin_carb.jpg?direct&​200|}}+
  
 +**Check for**: \\
 +  * **Worn or stuck or improper float valve**.
 +    * If gas overflows when you turn the gas on, rap the side of the float bowl sharply with a small wrench or pliers. \\ This may dis-lodge what is causing the hang up.  If that does not work, remove the float bowl and float and do a close inspection. ((piniongear of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=770330))
 +    * Replacing the float needle is usually one of the first thoughts but that may not always be the answer. \\ If you replaced the float needle with a new one from a kit, that could be the problem. Try re-installing the old one. \\ It's good to check the float height every time you remove the float bowl, as the last step before re-installing. \\ It is too easy to touch the float a little too hard and set it off. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=770330))
 +    * If the problem is crud, then it can often be fixed at least temporarily by partially emptying the float bowl. ((Ironmick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=507935&​page=2)) \\ While running, shut off the fuel valve, run the bike until it begins to sputter, then turning on the fuel. \\ The sudden rush of fuel may dislodge the crud and you are good to go for a while. This can be done either while riding or while just idling. \\ This should wash out debris in the float valve / seat.
 +  * **Damage or debris around valve seat**.
 +  * **Too high float level**.
 +    * See [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01r#​float_level_adjustment|Float level adjustment]] above.
 +  * **Worn float mounting tabs, float pin or loose float retaining screw**.
 +  * **Cracked or damaged overflow tube in the float bowl**.
 +    * Check for a leak at the bottom of the stand tube in the float bowl. ((Wedge of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1383344)) \\ With the float bowl in hand, fill the bowl with anything (water if you don't want gas in your mouth) and blow into the stand tube. \\ Look for bubbles around the base of it. If it bubbles, you can epoxy it. \\ Get it good and clean first, and rinse it off with alcohol before epoxy, and it will hold up for a decent amount of time. \\ If the tube will come out then you can epoxy it even easier. Just put a ring of epoxy around the end of the tube. \\ While holding the bowl upside down, insert the tube upwards so you do not drip epoxy into the hole. \\ Twist it a bit, stand the bowl upright and make sure you have a good ring of epoxy around the tube at the bottom.
 +  * **Damaged bowl gasket / O-ring**.
 +  * **Loose bowl screws**.
 +  * **Warped bowl to carb surface**.
  
-**Helpful Video Links**: \\+===== Poor Idle =====
  
-Here are some excellent videos of servicing the pre-CV Keihin Butterfly ​carbs:((Used by permission - SportsterPavel at the XLForum - http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2055701))+**Check for**: \\ 
 +  * **Improper idle mixture adjustment**:​ See [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01r#​overall_adjusting_procedure|Overall Adjusting Procedure]] above. 
 +  * **Damaged mixture screw**. 
 +  * **Clogged bypass or idle ports**. 
 +  * **Clogged slow jet**. 
 +  * **Loose slow jet**. 
 +  * **Air leaks**. 
 +  * **Excess or sloppy fuel from accelerator pump**. 
 +  * **Improper fast idle adjustment on 79-up carbs**: 
 +    * A fast idle can be caused by the idle not being set when the bike is HOT. ((ryder rick of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=877868&​page=2)) 
 +    * A fast idle can also be caused by an advance mechanism that is not functioning correctly. \\ 
 +  * **Mechanical issues with choke or throttle shaft / parts**.
  
-  * [[https://​youtu.be/​f_Ek37GEEN4|#​1 - Tips and tricks.]]\\ 
-  * [[https://​youtu.be/​OC75jFhAwLc|#​2 - Disassembly and cleaning.]]\\ 
-  * [[https://​youtu.be/​WaZHg2Brl3U|#​3 - Assembly and testing.]]\\ 
-  * [[https://​youtu.be/​5Q26WDIxWek|#​4 - Testing and start-up.]]\\ 
  
-Flange Repair: \\ +===== Poor acceleration ===== 
-For a broken flangeyou can try milling some slots in the flange and drill and tap the holes for screws\\ +**Check for**: \\ 
-You can use some JB Weld in there to insure ​good seal\\ +  * **Improper idle mixture adjustment**:​ See [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01r#​overall_adjusting_procedure|Overall Adjusting Procedure]] above. 
 +  * **Clogged accelerator pump system**. (I.E. check valves in brass nozzlecheck ball in bowl / cover, worn / torn pump diaphragm)
 +  * **Clogged bypass (idle transfer) ports**. 
 +  * **Clogged or too small of slow jet / bleed tube**. 
 +  * **Float setting too low**. 
 +    * See [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01r#​float_level_adjustment|Float level adjustment]] above.
  
-{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​86_keihin_carb_repair_1_by_bustakneecap.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by bustakneecap of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=3864149)) {{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​86_keihin_carb_repair_2_by_bustakneecap.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by bustakneecap of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=3864149)) {{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​86_keihin_carb_repair_3_by_bustakneecap.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by bustakneecap of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=3864149)) \\ +===== Hard Starting ​===== 
-==== Assembly ​==== +**Check ​for**\\ 
-  * Check float level+  * **Improper idle mixture adjustment**: See [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01r#​overall_adjusting_procedure|Overall Adjusting Procedure]] above. 
-    *  ​Use the specs in the FSM for setting the float level  and check it every time you dismantle ​the carb (as the last thing before putting it back together)+  * **Choke not adjusted properly / not operating properly**. 
-  * After checking the float level, then carefully put it back together.  +  * **Clogged jets or internal passages in the carb.**
-  * Replace the screws: +  * **Wrong ​float setting**. 
-     ​It'​s best to replace the original Phillips screws for the bowl with stainless steel socket head screws.+    * See [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01r#​float_level_adjustment|Float ​level adjustment]] above
 +  * **Fuel valve on tank not turned on**. 
 +  **Loose ​bowl screws**. 
 +  * **Wrong float setting**.
  
-\\+===== Rich or Lean? ===== 
 +A lean idle mixture will have idle hang before settling in after a throttle blip. ((xl2000883/​1200 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=4889745#​post4889745)) \\ 
 +A rich idle mixture will have idle dip low and then increase after a throttle blip. \\ 
 +A good setting will have rpm drop to idle and just sit there. \\ 
 +Drag pipes are not helpful. Great for wide open but not so great for anything else. \\
  
 +===== Running Lean =====
 +The main causes of carb farts are lean mixture, retarded spark and tight pushrod clearances. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=71361)) \\
  
-Add'l Info & Pics - \\+During the mid 1979 model season, HD makes a recommendation to dealers for corrective measures regarding the carburetion and [[techtalk:​ih:​engctl01#​prestolite_electronic_ignition_system|ignition system]] on (1100, 1200 and 1340cc) models with emissions control design changes. They operate with leaner air/fuel mixtures and are more sensitive to carburetor mixture settings / ignition spark. ((HD Service Bulletin #M-739 dated November 3, 1978)). \\ 
 +Irregular running and spit-back are symptoms of an excessively lean mixture. ​\\
  
-Accelerator Nozzle, Check ValveFloat Seat - http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1624208\\ +  * Check that the intake manifold sealsband clamps are installed properly. 
-Accelerator Nozzle ​Check Valve - http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1775068\\+  * The air cleaner mounting bracket must be adjusted and tightened properly per the FSM with no air leakage at the carburetor mounting flange. 
 +  * The air cleaner backing plate must be flat against the car­buretor flange gasket surface. 
 +  * Check for intake and exhaust leaks. If these are not absolutely sealed up all other efforts are a complete waste. 
 +  * **Symptoms**:​ 
 +    * Spitting / backfire thru the carb. 
 +    * Inconsistent idle. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1526333&​highlight=float+level&​page=8)) 
 +    * Slow return to idle. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1526333&​highlight=float+level&​page=11)) \\ 
 +    * Increasing idle. \\  Once it heats up a bit the leak starts and without countering it with more gas it dies. \\ If the mixture thinsthe engine starves and tries to pull more fuel and the leaner it gets the faster the idle until it quits. 
 +    * Backfiring can be caused by bad plugs. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=4091515&​highlight=float+level#​post4091515)) \\ Use standard OEM style plugs and buy a box of them until you get it sorted out. \\ If you have electronic ignition, you must use resistor plugs. \\ Start with a small gap, .025 and increase gap as you are able, electronic can go as high as .045. 
 +    * Air / exhaust gas blowing out the carb is a timing issue. An intake valve may be open when it should be closed. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1520303&​highlight=float+level&​page=3)) ​\\ You'll need to pull the gearcase (cam) cover and check the timing marks on the cams. \\ If you have not had this cover off before, be sure to remove the pushrods first. 
 +    * Running hot can be caused by vacuum leaks or bad ignition events. 
 +  * **Causes**:​ 
 +    * Jets too small. 
 +    * Float level too low. 
 +    * Leaking gaskets / seals. (intake manifold to head) (intake manifold to carb) (carb to air cleaner) 
 +    * Gunk in the carb passages / jets. 
 +    * Stopped up or poor flowing air cleaner. Make sure it's getting plenty of air. \\ If you are running the 72 air cleaner backing plate, the outside of it should fit to the size of the air cleaner. \\ The 77 and later backing plates had an air horn and they weren'​t getting enough air. 
 +    * Retarded spark timing is usually from a worn out auto advance unit in the ignition allowing too much retard at idle. 
 +      * Running the ignition timing slightly advanced is good. ((oldnavy of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=877868&page=2)) \\ With points, we used to run them advanced up to 8-10 degrees so that when the points wore, they would still be in an acceptable running time. \\ With electronic ignition, the timing never changes so 2-4 degrees advanced is about right. \\ Time it with a light and run the motor up to full advance (about 2500 RPM). 
 +    * Pushrod adjustment can also cause it and is easy to check. 
 +  * **Testing for air leaks**. 
 +    * Test from both sides of the engine, around the joints, between the head and the manifold and between the manifold and the carb). 
 +    * You can use WD-40 or unlit propane gas. 
 +    * There is no technical need to be concerned about an explosion using propane as long as you do not have any gas leaks. 
 +    * Propane is the cleanest choice. 
 +      * You have to spray a lot of WD-40 and it will leaves a mess. 
 +      * For a test, spray some into the air cleaner. \\ The idle speed will go down, perhaps stall the engine, right away. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=71361&​page=3)) 
 +      * If there is a leak you will get a slow down of the idle speed. 
 +      * Technically,​ any change (increase or decrease) in RPM would indicate an air leak. 
 +      * The propane is nice and neat, and has finer particles so it should find smaller leaks. 
 +      * If the idle raises on it's own then let the engine warm up before doing the test. ((brianbbs67 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=5769275&​highlight=air+leaks#​post5769275)) ​\\ When the rpms start to tic up, start spraying around every carb and intake connection to see if you can find the leak.
  
  
-==== Troubleshooting ​==== +===== Poor road performance ===== 
-  * **The Phenolic fiber spacer helps with hot idle or starting problems**: \\ +==== Low speed ==== 
-    * One infuriatingly simple thing that affects idle, starting and carb farts when your engine is hot, is this phenolic fiber spacer. \\ It's between the carb and manifold, which some models had and others did not. It stops engine heat from flowing into the carb. \\ If your model doesn'​t have one of these stock, you can cut one out of a sheet of fiber about 3/16" thick. \\ JP Cycles or others sell one that is a bit thicker and might work even better. \\ The one below was fitted as shown in the pic below and the parts book. \\ There should be a gasket on each side of the spacer while still using the rubber O-ring on the carb flange. \\ Of course, make sure both the carb flange and the manifold are filed nice and flat with a 10-inch flat file first. \\ Without it, your carb can get too hot to touch within minutes of the bike being parked with a hot engine. \\ Even the air filter gets hot. \\ There is a lot of heat flowing from the heads, up the manifold and into the carb which makes it hard to start and idle rough. \\ The heat vaporizes the fuel in the float bowl and it can boil and come out the overflow tube at the bottom of the float bowl. \\ This also means the tiny amount of fuel trying to go through the idle adjuster screw and into the carb throat can also vaporize. \\ Fuel going into the engine needs to be tiny globules of liquid fuel, not vapor. \\ Putting a heat-blocking spacer on is really worth the effort if you ride a lot in city traffic. \\ (where idling at the lights will allow heat to flow into the carb while there is no cooling wind) \\ With a kicker only XLCH, the easier hot starting is a Godsend. +Check for: \\ 
-  * **Pilot screw**: +  * **Improper ​idle mixture adjustment**: ​See [[techtalk:ih:​carb01r#​overall_adjusting_procedure|Overall Adjusting Procedure]] above
-    * The pilot screw adjustment mainly affects the idle speed operation of the engine. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=71361)) \\ This is when the engine is actually idling, and when you release the throttle while riding. \\ If the pilot screw is too lean you get backfire in the exhaust when you throttle down, and white looking spark plugs. \\ If it is too rich you get black sooty exhaust and black sooty spark plugs. \\ Either situation has serious consequences for engine longevity if left unresolved. +  * **Loose main jet**. 
-    * The mixture ​screw does not have a large range of adjustment, if you're running lean, you may need to increase the low speed jet size. \\ (after you have eliminated all other contributing factors) \\  +  * **Air leak at intake flange**. 
-  * **Fast idle**: +    * See [[techtalk:ih:carb01r#​running_lean|running ​lean]] above
-    * A fast idle can be caused by the idle not being set when the bike is HOT. ((ryder rick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=877868&​page=2)) +  * **Fuel overflow**. 
-    A fast idle can also be caused by an advance mechanism that is not functioning correctly. \\  +  * **Accelerator pump system not working properly**. See [[techtalk:​ih:carb01r#​accelerator_pump_system|Accelerator Pump System]] above
-   * **Spitting / Backfire thru the carb**: \\ This is most certainly a tune-up problem. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=71361)) \\ The main causes of carb farts are lean mixture, retarded spark and tight pushrod clearances. +  * **Dirty air cleaner**.
-    ​* **Lean condition**:​ +
-    * Lean mixture can be too small jets, too low float level, leaking intake manifold, gunk in the carb((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=4091515&​highlight=float+level#​post4091515)) +
-      Check for intake and exhaust leaks. \\ If these are not absolutely sealed up all other efforts are a complete waste. \\ Inconsistent idle is typically a sign of intake leaks. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1526333&​highlight=float+level&​page=8)) \\ Slow return to idle is a classic symptom of intake leaks. \\ ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1526333&​highlight=float+level&​page=11)) \\ +
-      ​As an intake leak test, you can use WD-40 or propane gas. \\ There is no technical need to be concerned about some explosion, and it is the best and cleanest choice. +
-        ​You have to spray a lot of WD-40 \\ (from both sides of the engine, around the joints, between the head and the manifold and between the manifold and the carb). \\ WD-40 leaves a mess. For a test, spray some into the air cleaner. The idle speed will go down, perhaps stall the engine, right away. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=71361&​page=3)) \\ If there is a leak you will get a slow down of the idle speed. +
-        ​The propane is nice and neat, and has finer particles so it should find smaller leaks. +
-    ​For coughing and spitting, you can try drilling out the low speed jet to 1/32" (.031") . ((oldnavy of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=877868&​page=2)) +
-      * The coughing and spitting is a combination of things but this may cure it. \\ You can buy the biggest low speed jet available, hear the carb cough from it and then return back to the smaller one (or smaller size). \\  +
-    * Another thing to look at is to be sure your air cleaner is free flowing. In other words, make sure it's getting plenty of air. \\ If you are running the 72 air cleaner backing plate, the outside of it should fit to the size of the air cleaner. \\ The 77 and later backing plates had an air horn and they weren'​t getting enough air. +
-    * Backfiring can be caused by bad plugs. \\ Use standard OEM style plugs and buy a box of them until you get it sorted out. \\ If you have electronic ignition, you must use resistor plugs. \\ Start with a small gap, .025 and increase gap as you are able, electronic can go as high as .045. +
-    * **Retarded spark**: +
-      * Retarded spark is usually from a worn out auto advance unit in the ignition allowing too much retard at idle. +
-      * Running the ignition timing slightly advanced is good. ((oldnavy of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=877868&​page=2)) \\ With points, we used to run them advanced up to 8-10 degrees so that when the points wore, they would still be in an acceptable ​running ​time. \\ With electronic ignition, the timing never changes so 2-4 degrees advanced is about right. \\ Time it with a light and run the motor up to full advance (about 2500 RPM)+
-    * **Pushrod adjustment**+
-      * Pushrod adjustment can also cause it and is easy to check+
-  * **Air / exhaust gas blowing out the carb**+
-    * Air blowing out the carb is a timing issueAn intake valve may be open when it should be closed. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1520303&​highlight=float+level&​page=3)) \\ You'll need to pull the gearcase (cam) cover and check the timing marks on the cams. \\ If you have not had this cover off before, be sure to remove the pushrods first+
-    * **Running hot**: \\ +
-      * Running hot can be caused by vacuum leaks or bad ignition events.+
  
 +==== High speed ====
 +Check for: \\
 +  * **Loose main jet**.
 +  * **Wrong float setting**.
 +    * See [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01r#​float_level_adjustment|Float level adjustment]] above.
 +  * **Clogged / partially clogged fuel filter / strainer**.
 +  * **Clogged main jet or main jet air passage**.
 +  * **Clogged, pinched or collapsing fuel line**.
  
 +===== Loss of power =====
 +Check for: \\
 +  * **Dirty / clogged air filter**.
 +  * **Broken or damaged throttle cable or linkages**. ​
 +  * **Clogged jets or internal passages in the carb.**.
 +  * **Clogged, pinched or collapsing fuel line**.
 +  * **Dirty fuel tank**.
 +  * **Air leaks**.
 +    * See [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01r#​running_lean|running lean]] above.
 +  * **Accelerator pump system not working properly**. See [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01r#​accelerator_pump_system|Accelerator Pump System]] above.
 +
 +===== Burnt / discolored spark plugs =====
 +See [[techtalk:​ref:​genmsr02|Reading Spark Plugs]] in the REF section of the Sportsterpedia. \\
 +
 +{{:​techtalk:​ih:​carb:​spark_plug_comparison.jpg?​direct&​300|spark plug comparison}} ​
 +
 +Check for: \\
 +  * **Improper idle mixture adjustment**:​ See [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01r#​overall_adjusting_procedure|Overall Adjusting Procedure]] above.
 +  * **Wrong jetting**.
 +  * **Air leaks**.
 +    * See [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01r#​running_lean|running lean]] above.
 +  * **Clogged carb passages**.
 +  * Other
 +    * **Wrong plug heat range**.
 +    * **Wrong timing setting**.
 +    * **Worn / leaky rings**.
 +    * **Worn / leaky valves**.
 +
 +===== Poor fuel economy =====
 +Check for: \\
 +  * **Float set too high**.
 +    * See [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01r#​float_level_adjustment|Float level adjustment]] above.
 +  * **Improper idle mixture adjustment**:​ See [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01r#​overall_adjusting_procedure|Overall Adjusting Procedure]] above.
 +  * **Excess fuel from accelerator pump**. See [[techtalk:​ih:​carb01r#​accelerator_pump_system|Accelerator Pump System]] above.
 +  * **Dirty air cleaner**.
 +  * **Choke not opening fully**.
 +  * **Loose jets**.
 +  * **Clogged bleed tubes**.
 +
 +====== Helpful Links ======
 +**Video**: \\
 +Here are some excellent videos of servicing the pre-CV Keihin Butterfly carbs: ((Used by permission - SportsterPaul at the XLForum - http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2055701))
 +
 +  * [[https://​youtu.be/​f_Ek37GEEN4|#​1 - Tips and tricks.]]\\
 +  * [[https://​youtu.be/​OC75jFhAwLc|#​2 - Disassembly and cleaning.]]\\
 +  * [[https://​youtu.be/​WaZHg2Brl3U|#​3 - Assembly and testing.]]\\
 +  * [[https://​youtu.be/​5Q26WDIxWek|#​4 - Testing and start-up.]]\\