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| ===== Production Oil Pumps ===== | ===== Production Oil Pumps ===== | ||
| - | * There are 3 basic pumps ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | * There are 3 basic pumps & 2 basic plumbing styles ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) |
| - | - 57-E62 (3 variations) these use 16t body gears. | + | |
| - | - L62-71 (2 variations) these use 14t | + | |
| - | - 72-76 (no variations) use 16t again | + | |
| - | * & 2 basic plumbing styles: ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | |
| - Both feed and return are drilled passages in the right crankcase (57-66 all) & (67-69 xlch) | - Both feed and return are drilled passages in the right crankcase (57-66 all) & (67-69 xlch) | ||
| - Only return drilled thru case. feed goes from tank to pump by external hose. (67-69 xlh) & (70-76 all) | - Only return drilled thru case. feed goes from tank to pump by external hose. (67-69 xlh) & (70-76 all) | ||
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| * The stock slot in pre -72 pump gear is .375" ((chevelle of the XLFORUM® http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=989934&page=2)) | * The stock slot in pre -72 pump gear is .375" ((chevelle of the XLFORUM® http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=989934&page=2)) | ||
| * The stock slot in post -72 pump gear is .625" ((chevelle of the XLFORUM® http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=989934&page=2)) | * The stock slot in post -72 pump gear is .625" ((chevelle of the XLFORUM® http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=989934&page=2)) | ||
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| - | | Oil Pump on 1967 XLCH ((photos by ss396 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1864035&highlight=Ironhead+Crankcase+Drain+Plug&page=4)) | Oil Pump on 1972 XLH ((photo by deedub97gt of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?page=17&t=1637849)) | | ||
| - | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:1967_xlch_oil_pump_1_by_ss396.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:1967_xlch_oil_pump_2_by_ss396.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_pump_on_72_ih_by_deedub97gt.jpg?direct&300|}}| | ||
| On some pump casting bodies you may see an Allen plug in the back of the pump. ((Monte03 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=563241)) \\ | On some pump casting bodies you may see an Allen plug in the back of the pump. ((Monte03 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=563241)) \\ | ||
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| In 1972 and with the birth of the 1000cc engine, the pump numbers were -72. \\ | In 1972 and with the birth of the 1000cc engine, the pump numbers were -72. \\ | ||
| It had larger gears and a bigger breather slot. \\ | It had larger gears and a bigger breather slot. \\ | ||
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| + | | Oil Pump on 1967 XLCH ((photos by ss396 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1864035&highlight=Ironhead+Crankcase+Drain+Plug&page=4)) | Oil Pump on 1972 XLH ((photo by deedub97gt of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?page=17&t=1637849)) | | ||
| + | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:1967_xlch_oil_pump_1_by_ss396.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:1967_xlch_oil_pump_2_by_ss396.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_pump_on_72_ih_by_deedub97gt.jpg?direct&300|}}| | ||
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| ===== 1957-E1962 ===== | ===== 1957-E1962 ===== | ||
| - | * All these use 16t gear sets and style 1 plumbing ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | * There are (3 variations) and these all use 16t gear sets and style 1 plumbing ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) |
| - | * Gear Dia. (1.115" OD) | + | * Feed gears: |
| - | * Feed gears (.185" thick) | + | * O.D. (1.115" OD) ((needspeed of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5795112#post5795112)) |
| + | * Width (.185") ((needspeed of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5795112#post5795112)) | ||
| + | * Return gears" | ||
| + | * Width (?) | ||
| + | * Driven gear: | ||
| + | * Center hole I.D. (.422") ((kitabel of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5792413#post5792413)) | ||
| + | * Idler gear: | ||
| + | * Center hole I.D. (.422") ((kitabel of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5792413#post5792413)) | ||
| * The production changes made during its run: ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | * The production changes made during its run: ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | ||
| * 57-e58 baseline pump that all others came from. \\ No oil seal. \\ Uses a snap ring and a full profile woodruff key at scavenge gear. | * 57-e58 baseline pump that all others came from. \\ No oil seal. \\ Uses a snap ring and a full profile woodruff key at scavenge gear. | ||
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| ===== L1962-1971 ===== | ===== L1962-1971 ===== | ||
| - | * All these used 14t gears & scavenge sets got taller than the previous 16's were. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | * There are (2 variations) and all these used 14t gears & scavenge sets got taller than the previous 16's were. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) |
| - | * Gear Dia. (.990" OD) | + | * Feed gears: |
| - | * Feed gears (.216" thick) | + | * O.D. (.990" OD) ((needspeed of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5795112#post5795112)) |
| - | * All use half moons and shortened key on scavenge drive. | + | * Width (.216") ((needspeed of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5795112#post5795112)) |
| - | * Bodies made till '66 are for style 1 plumbing. | + | * Return gears: |
| - | * In '67, the body gets tapped for the external feed fitting for use on 67-69 XLH. This is when style2 plumbing started. | + | * Width (?) |
| - | * Bodies tapped for style2 were still used on the last 3 yrs (67-69 xlch) of style1 cases. | + | * Driven gear: |
| - | * A plug is put in this new hole if body got used on a style1 case set. | + | * Center hole I.D. (.422") ((kitabel of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5792413#post5792413)) |
| + | * Idler gear: | ||
| + | * Center hole I.D. (.422") ((kitabel of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5792413#post5792413)) | ||
| + | * All use half moons and shortened key on scavenge drive. | ||
| + | * Bodies made till '66 are for style 1 plumbing. | ||
| + | * In '67, the body gets tapped for the external feed fitting for use on 67-69 XLH. This is when style2 plumbing started. | ||
| + | * Bodies tapped for style2 were still used on the last 3 yrs (67-69 xlch) of style1 cases. | ||
| + | * A plug is put in this new hole if body got used on a style1 case set. | ||
| ===== 1972-1976 ===== | ===== 1972-1976 ===== | ||
| - | * These go back to 16t gears and a snap ring with long key ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | * These have (no variations) and go back to 16t gears and a snap ring with long key ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) |
| - | * Gear Dia. (1.115" OD) | + | * Feed gears: |
| - | * Feed gears (.185" thick) | + | * O.D. (1.115" OD) ((needspeed of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5795112#post5795112)) |
| + | * Width (.185") ((needspeed of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5795112#post5795112)) | ||
| + | * Return gears" | ||
| + | * Width (?) | ||
| + | * Driven gear: | ||
| + | * Center hole I.D. (.422") ((kitabel of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5792413#post5792413)) | ||
| + | * Idler gear: | ||
| + | * Center hole I.D. (.422") ((kitabel of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5792413#post5792413)) | ||
| * Feed gears are the same as 57-e62 but the scavenge set is now wider again (wider than any of the previous sets). | * Feed gears are the same as 57-e62 but the scavenge set is now wider again (wider than any of the previous sets). | ||
| * Breather gear gets enlarged slots in it. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | * Breather gear gets enlarged slots in it. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | ||
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| {{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-_85_oil_pump_drawing_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&400|}} ((drawing by Hippysmack)) {{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_feed_transfer_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Hippysmack)) | {{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-_85_oil_pump_drawing_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&400|}} ((drawing by Hippysmack)) {{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_feed_transfer_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Hippysmack)) | ||
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| * This pump has two hose fittings; ((ironheadjunkie of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1400314&page=2)) | * This pump has two hose fittings; ((ironheadjunkie of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1400314&page=2)) | ||
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| * Then, the oil will return from the front fitting of the oil pump to the oil tank. | * Then, the oil will return from the front fitting of the oil pump to the oil tank. | ||
| + | {{:techtalk:evo:oil:oil_pressure_switch_threads_by_hippysmack.png?direct&300|}} ((drawing by Hippysmack)) \\ | ||
| ===== Production Oil Pumps ===== | ===== Production Oil Pumps ===== | ||
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| * Another way to prime the pump is to use assembly lube on the gerotors and inside of the pump before installing it. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4805186#post4805186)) \\ Then you have an instant hydraulic seal to help the oil pump suck oil from the hose. | * Another way to prime the pump is to use assembly lube on the gerotors and inside of the pump before installing it. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4805186#post4805186)) \\ Then you have an instant hydraulic seal to help the oil pump suck oil from the hose. | ||
| * You can also using a large syringe with a tapered tip inserted into the oil supply hose on the bottom of the oil tank. ((ericfreeman of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5751479#post5751479)) \\ Then you can force feed oil the pump and on to the engine using this technique and it avoids having to mess with the sending unit. | * You can also using a large syringe with a tapered tip inserted into the oil supply hose on the bottom of the oil tank. ((ericfreeman of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5751479#post5751479)) \\ Then you can force feed oil the pump and on to the engine using this technique and it avoids having to mess with the sending unit. | ||
| + | * With this homemade tool, all you have to do is use a grease gun (without grease) filled with oil and pump it into the system so a dry start can be avoided. {{:techtalk:ref:tools:check_ball_tester_and_prelube_fitting_by_bustert.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by bustert of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1813185&page=2)) | ||
