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techtalk:ih:oil03c [2018/12/12 02:51] hippysmack [77-85 Oil Pump Damage Pics] |
techtalk:ih:oil03c [2018/12/19 17:07] hippysmack [Cracks in Housing or Cover] |
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====== IH: Oiling & Lubrication - Sub-03A ====== | ====== IH: Oiling & Lubrication - Sub-03A ====== | ||
====== 77-85 Oil Pump Damage Pics ====== | ====== 77-85 Oil Pump Damage Pics ====== | ||
- | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:83_oil_pump_by_sc72.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77_oil_pump_gearshaft_pin_broke_by_77_iron.jpg?direct&500|}}| | + | ====== Cracks in Housing or Cover ====== |
- | | Oil pump from an 83 model ((photo by sc72 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1717592&page=15)) | Gearshaft pin broke off into this 77 model ((photo by 77 iron of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1831941&page=2)) | | + | |
+ | This cover was cracked at the oil pressure switch end. \\ | ||
+ | The crack was welded over and a Dremil tool was used to reshape the cover. \\ | ||
+ | Due to warpage during welding, the threads need to be chased with a tap to straighten them back out. \\ | ||
+ | | Repair on oil pump cover ((photos by Farmer00-1 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=554323)) || | ||
+ | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:cracked_oil_pump_cover_1_by_acb2.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:cracked_oil_pump_cover_2_by_acb2.jpg?direct&300|}}| | ||
+ | ====== Scratches on Gerotors or Mating Surfaces ====== | ||
* Many used oil pumps have scratches on both the gerotors and pump surfaces that the gerotors ride on. | * Many used oil pumps have scratches on both the gerotors and pump surfaces that the gerotors ride on. | ||
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- | * The inner gerotor spins in this same position as it is mounted to the gearshaft. | + | * In theory, no particles of any size should be able to spin around to the small pad due to the pressure generated by the spring washer and the gerotor spacing there. |
- | * The outer gerotor spins by way of the gears inside the cover but also in the same position to the inner gear as below in operation. | + | * Also, any debris picked up from the source side cavity should drop down into the feed side cavity and out of the pump. |
- | * The gearshaft is off center to the outside gerotors on both feed and return. | + | * The side toward the motor is where oil is transferred to and from the pump. |
- | * There are 8 teeth on the inner and 9 on the outer gerotor in each set. | + | * The inner and outer gears come together on the other side (right side). |
- | * This allows for the cavity between the inner and outer gears for oil transfer. | + | * This spacing relationship doesn't change between the motor side or the outside of the pump due to the offset gearshaft. |
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+ | * But in reality, debris gets caught in or between the gears and gets dragged over the aluminum flats. | ||
+ | * Some then find their way under the gerotors while the spring washer flexes from the stress. | ||
+ | * The debris spins around under the gerotors and wears scratches in the flats (pads) or worse. | ||
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+ | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_cover_9a_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&500|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_cover_10a_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&500|}}| | ||
+ | | Gerotor rotation ((photos by Hippysmack http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2071153&page=6)) || | ||
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+ | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:83_oil_pump_by_sc72.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77_oil_pump_gearshaft_pin_broke_by_77_iron.jpg?direct&500|}}| | ||
+ | | Oil pump from an 83 model ((photo by sc72 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1717592&page=15)) | Gearshaft pin broke off into this 77 model ((photo by 77 iron of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1831941&page=2)) | | ||
- | In theory, no particles of any size should be able to spin around to the small pad due to the pressure generated by the spring washer and the gerotor spacing there. | + | * There should be some reduced pressure because of the scratches. |
- | The side toward the motor is where oil is transferred to and from the pump. | + | * Pressure generated to the output cavity can squirt back to the input side through these scratches. |
- | The inner and outer gears come together on the other side (right side). | + | * How much pressure loss would depend on the width, depth, length of the scratches and oil viscosity. |
- | This spacing relationship doesn't change between the motor side or the outside of the pump due to the offset gearshaft. | + | * To make the pump inoperative or not make pressure (from the scratches alone); |
- | Left side of 1st pic below goes toward the motor. | + | * The scratches would have to be proportional to the relative volume of all four gerotor reservoirs combined. |
- | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_cover_9_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&500|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_cover_10_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&500|}}| | + | * Then, the check valve would have to accept less pressure flow than the backpressure from the pump. |
+ | * The gerotor surface in the cover would have to be eat up pretty bad to make the pump completely ineffective. | ||
+ | * The pump would have less pressure loss with multi-weight or straight weight oil when cold than hot. | ||
+ | * They'll both flow faster when hot. | ||