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techtalk:ih:oil03f [2018/12/20 04:04]
hippysmack [Transfer Valve]
techtalk:ih:oil03f [2019/06/26 04:53] (current)
hippysmack [Check Spring]
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     * Wire O.D.: โ‰ˆ 0.0250"​ ((The Doctor71 of the XLFORUM of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1661356))     * Wire O.D.: โ‰ˆ 0.0250"​ ((The Doctor71 of the XLFORUM of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1661356))
  
 +This is suppose to be a NOS 67 Pump Spring. \\
 +L = 1.215"
 +Wire Gauge = .024"
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 +| 67 oil pump spring. ((photo by Monte03 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=823881&​page=3))|
  
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-====== Transfer Valve ====== 
-The foregoing by Dr Dick ((http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showpost.php?​p=3886388&​postcount=40)) 
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-The transfer valve is staked into position. ((Ferrous Head of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=581947&​page=6)) \\ 
-Look very close around the edges and you'll see two spots that have been lightly punched. \\ 
-If you clean the metal away from there with a sharp instrument it will come out fairly easily. \\ 
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-|  Transfer valve ((photo by FourCams of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=581947)) ​ |  Transfer valve location ((photos by ironheadjunkie http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1495746)) ​ || 
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-The purpose of the transfer valve is to keep your garage floor clean. \\ 
-It's an oil control device to control the oil in order to keep it in your bike. \\ 
-There is so much speculation on this subject that sometimes the myth becomes the reality. ​ 
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-  * The transfer valve is a part of a bigger system. \\ A system that we often break down into its components. \\ Then we deal with the (target component) often losing sight of the big picture. \\ It's our nature as mechanical guys. \\ Pin point the problem and then bring the hammers of Hell to bear on it. \\ If we can let go of that instinct for a moment this will make perfect sense. \\ So you want to think big picture here. 
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-  * **The Transfer Valve**: 
-  - **Fact**: If you blow thru the valve it only allows flow from primary to engine. ​ 
-  - **Fiction**:​ That means its a one way check valve. Bad assumption. \\ It allows flow one way only when pressure is different one side of valve to other. See #3. 
-  - **Fact**: When taken apart carefully as not to bend the triangular reed we find no spring that '​checks'​ the valve when pressure differential is absent. \\ So it's allowed to '​leak'​ in state of equilibrium. ​ 
-  - **Fiction**:​ There'​s something missing from this valve. \\ That's why its not checking and allowing leaking oil into my primary as I found when I left the primary cover off an saw the trail of oil from the valve. \\ **If you dismiss the assumptions** and stick with what we can prove this truth emerges: \\ **The transfer valve is a one way feed when engine is running but not when engine is static**. \\ (then it's relaxed and oil leaks from motor thru it) 
-  - **Fact**: Oil is leaking out of your valve when the primary cover is off. \\ (it's leaking when the primary cover is on too)  
-  - **Fiction**:​ There'​s only supposed to be a small amount of oil in the motor so there'​s something else wrong too. What could that be? \\ Aha, it's got to be the check valve in the oil pump leaking. \\ (This is the spot you go off course chasing ghosts. Because your motor is not running, oil is leaking into it before it even gets to the check valve).  ​ 
-  * You are told to inspect the check valve in response to any noticeable change that increases oil exiting thru the breather tube. \\ Because a check that leaks will shorten the time it takes to fill the motor enough to puke.  
-  * Even a perfectly sealed check can't stop oil that's getting in thru a different path. 
-  * If we slow down now and think, we get to this: \\ In order for the pump check to leak, oil has to get to the tank side of pump check. \\ In order to get there its got to sneak past gear clearance in pump (which it obviously does). \\ But this is not the only place this errant oil can go: 
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-|On the way to the check, it finds clearance here, where \\ the breather valve fits thru the upper oil pump housing.|Where it leaks into the space between the breather \\ sleeve and housing, exiting at the first place it can \\ (the bottom of slot in the upper housing).|Now,​ it's filling the breather passage that leads to the \\ crank case. This passage is located lower than \\ the floor of the cam chest.| 
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-  * So, oil is now filling the crankcase and not the cam chest. \\ The factory made sure that it happened like this. \\ They wanted this unchecked oil to stay out of the cam chest so that your bike is less likely to puke oil. 
-  * They didn't want the oil to just sit in the case sump either because it would just end up in the cam case soon after the bike was started. 
-  * They wanted to somehow '​transfer'​ it to a reservoir allowing it to re-enter the engine in a controlled volume that the return pump could handle without being drowned. 
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-|Look at the position of the valve compared to the \\ breather passage. It's about even.|Go back to the 1st case pic. Note, the floor of the cam \\ chest is about even to the bottom of the pinion race. \\ Now look at the position of breather passage in \\ regards to floor of cam chest. Chest floor is higher, \\ breather passage lower. Crap flows downstream.| ​ 
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-  * So oil flowing unchecked into the pump from the oil supply line leaks clear thru engine into primary before it can start to fill the cam chest. \\ On the primary side though, there is plenty of room to fill with the errant oil. 
-  * The transfer valve '​transfers'​ "pre pump check" oil leakage out of the motor and into the primary. \\ Where it re-enters the engine on startup in a controlled volume that the return pump could handle without being drowned. 
-  * In other words, it '​transfers'​ it back to engine when bike starts. ​ 
-  * This is the improvement refined from the 52-54 siphon tube that used the same valve guts. 
-  * It does makes perfect sense don't it? 
-  * Now, given some thought you will see why the valves aren't used on the racers. 
-  * The '77 style oil system did away with the unchecked supply leakage. (so there is no reason to '​transfer'​ what isn't there). 
-  * **It's name is absolutely 100% correct: It's the transfer valve**. 
-  * The factory 'got it right' with this part.ใ€€ 
-  * **Keep an eye on the big picture**.