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techtalk:ih:oil04 [2019/03/09 00:40]
hippysmack [Connections at the Engine]
techtalk:ih:oil04 [2019/06/27 18:40] (current)
hippysmack [Oil Lines]
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 ====== IH: Oiling & Lubrication ====== ====== IH: Oiling & Lubrication ======
 ====== Oil Tank, Lines and Routing ====== ====== Oil Tank, Lines and Routing ======
 +
 +====== Oil Tank Cap ======
 ===== Sub Documents ===== ===== Sub Documents =====
-  * [[techtalk:​ih:​oil04a|Routing ​Oil Lines with an Oil Cooler]] +  * [[techtalk:​ih:​oil04a|Rebuilding the Kidney Tank Oil Cap]] 
-  * [[techtalk:ih:​oil04b|Running Copper Oil Lines]] +\\ 
- +There have been negative comments about in-tank oil filters in the past, but these all refer to an old, original "horse hair" filter. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2072162)) \\  
- +The modern replacements are very good indeed. \\ 
-Click on a pic to enlarge: \\+But you'll need to shorten your dipstick to use the newer in-tank filters unless you find a "​Horsehair"​ type. ((Popgadget of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2072162)) \\ 
 +The newer pleated paper ones are a better choice though. \\ 
 +See the example below of shortening the dipstick. ​\\
  
 +|  Uncut dipstick. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2072162)) ​ |  After cutting. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2072162)) ​ |  Roll pin goes thru the "​top"​ (smaller) hole. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2072162)) ​ |
 +|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​oil:​dipstick_mod_1_by_ironmick.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​oil:​dipstick_mod_2_by_ironmick.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​oil:​dipstick_mod_3_by_ironmick.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|
 +====== Oil Lines ======
 +===== Sub Documents =====
 +  * [[techtalk:​ref:​oil14|Routing Oil Lines with an Oil Cooler]]
 +  * [[techtalk:​ref:​oil17#​refoiling_lubrication|Running Copper Oil Lines]]
 +\\
  
-===== Oil Lines ===== 
 The OD of the oil & vent lines is as important as the ID. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=563241&​page=2)) \\ The OD of the oil & vent lines is as important as the ID. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=563241&​page=2)) \\
 If you buy automotive lines that are larger OD, they will be difficult to run in the limited space and easy to kink. \\ If you buy automotive lines that are larger OD, they will be difficult to run in the limited space and easy to kink. \\
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 The filter and cooler are (plumbed) in the return line. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=783392&​page=2)) \\ The filter and cooler are (plumbed) in the return line. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=783392&​page=2)) \\
  
-Feed line at the chain: \\+===== Oil Line Routing ===== 
 There is a steel bracket that holds the oil line in position. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=80209&​page=2)) \\ There is a steel bracket that holds the oil line in position. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=80209&​page=2)) \\
 It mounts onto one of the rear engine mount or case bolts and keeps the line away from the chain.\\ It mounts onto one of the rear engine mount or case bolts and keeps the line away from the chain.\\
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 Vent: From the top of the oil tank to the 1/4" hose nipple on the upper backside of the cam cover in front of the sprocket. \\ Vent: From the top of the oil tank to the 1/4" hose nipple on the upper backside of the cam cover in front of the sprocket. \\
  
 +|  Oil Lines on 77 XLCH. ((photos by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=209347&​page=10)) ​ || 
 +|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​oil_line_routing_2_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​oil_line_routing_4_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}}| 
 +|
 ===== Connections at the Oil Tank ===== ===== Connections at the Oil Tank =====
  
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 There are internal drilling to route the vent into the cam chest (which vents to atmosphere). \\ There are internal drilling to route the vent into the cam chest (which vents to atmosphere). \\
 On later engines it runs down to the cam cover which has a 90° fitting to accommodate it. \\ On later engines it runs down to the cam cover which has a 90° fitting to accommodate it. \\
 +
 +==== XLCH Oil Tank ====
 +
  
 In a horseshoe tank, the return oil should go to the far side so that oil has to migrate from one side of the tank to the other to get picked up again. ((ryder rick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=600218&​page=2)) \\ In a horseshoe tank, the return oil should go to the far side so that oil has to migrate from one side of the tank to the other to get picked up again. ((ryder rick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=600218&​page=2)) \\
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 {{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​68_oil_tank_1_by_fdny37.jpg?​direct&​300|}} {{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​68_oil_tank_2_by_fdny37.jpg?​direct&​300|}} {{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​68_oil_tank_1_by_fdny37.jpg?​direct&​300|}} {{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​68_oil_tank_2_by_fdny37.jpg?​direct&​300|}}
  
-73 style oil tank: ((photos ​by vampkiller ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1779533&​page=3)) \\ +==== XLH Oil Tank ==== 
-{{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​oil_line_diagram_by_brianbbs67.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((Diagram ​by brianbbs67 ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1779533&​page=3)) {{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​73_oil_tank_4_by_vampkiller.jpg?​direct&​300|}} + 
-{{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​73_oil_tank_1_by_vampkiller.jpg?​direct&​300|}} {{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​73_oil_tank_2_by_vampkiller.jpg?​direct&​300|}} {{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​73_oil_tank_3_by_vampkiller.jpg?​direct&​300|}}+{{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:oil_line_diagram_by_brianbbs67.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ​((Diagram ​by brianbbs67 ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1779533&​page=3)) \\ 
 + 
 +{{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​73_oil_tank_4_by_vampkiller.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by vampkiller ​of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1779533&​page=3)) {{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​oil_line_routing_1_by_hopper.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ​((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=209347&​page=10)) \\ 
 + 
 +{{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​73_oil_tank_1_by_vampkiller.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ​((photo by vampkiller of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1779533&​page=3)) ​{{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​73_oil_tank_2_by_vampkiller.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ​((photo by vampkiller of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1779533&​page=3)) 
 + {{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​73_oil_tank_3_by_vampkiller.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ​((photo by vampkiller of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1779533&​page=3)) \\ 
 + 
 +==== Custom Oil Tank ====
  
  
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-===== Oil Lines to the Rockers =====+===== Connection to Oil Cooler ===== 
 +See [[techtalk:​ref:​oil14|External Oil Coolers]] in the REF section of the Sportsterpedia. \\ 
 + 
 +====== Oil Lines to the Rockers =====
 +Installation:​ \\ 
 +The ends are slightly different sizes. ((Ivan RoachCoach of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=2505289#​post2505289)) \\ 
 +The larger-sized ends go on the case and the smaller-diameter ones go to the rockers. \\ 
 +In other words the closer they are to the oil pump, the bigger they should be. \\ 
 +Most people never even notice this. \\ 
 +Issues getting oil to the top end: \\ 
 +If your pump is primed, and the breather gear is properly timed, then the problem lies in the lines and/or their fittings. \\ 
 If you have a leak here, you may not have to replace any parts. \\ If you have a leak here, you may not have to replace any parts. \\
 Try to uninstall them, clean, inspect and reinstall them and see what happens. \\ Try to uninstall them, clean, inspect and reinstall them and see what happens. \\
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 |  Rocker oil line ((photo by Ironshred of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1974660)) ​ | |  Rocker oil line ((photo by Ironshred of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1974660)) ​ |
 |{{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​82_rocker_oil_lines_by_ironshred.jpg?​direct&​200|}}| |{{:​techtalk:​ih:​oil:​82_rocker_oil_lines_by_ironshred.jpg?​direct&​200|}}|
 +
 +====== Braided Oil Lines ======
 +Braided lines can flex, leak, and sometimes flatten out. ((Ivan RoachCoach of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=221093&​highlight=split+rocker+box)) \\
 +Before you try threading any threads into your engine, try threading them on a pipe fitting first. ((MDT of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=221093&​highlight=split+rocker+box)) \\
 +
 +If the new parts are chromed then you should (must) wire wheel (with light pressure) the chromed threads before installation. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=221093&​highlight=split+rocker+box)) \\
 +This is especially important for chromed threaded bolts or bolts that have old Loctite on them. \\
 +* Always wear a face mask as you can loose hold of the bolt (using a wire wheel on a bench grinder) it will go flying. \\
 +You can lightly clamp the fastener flats in a vise and use a Dremil or angle grinder wire wheel also. \\
 +Either way, a mist of metal will get airborne and you don't need that getting into your eyes.
 +
 +You can also chase the new threads with a die. This will also remove extra bulk on the threads due to the chroming process. \\
 +See also [[techtalk:​ref:​genmsr36#​chasing_threads|Chasing Threads]] in the REF section of the Sportsterpedia. \\
 +
 ===== Copper, Brass and Stainless Tubing ===== ===== Copper, Brass and Stainless Tubing =====
 These were made with flared fittings and are a positive seat fitting. \\ These were made with flared fittings and are a positive seat fitting. \\