Differences
This shows you the differences between two versions of the page.
| Both sides previous revision Previous revision Next revision | Previous revision Last revision Both sides next revision | ||
|
techtalk:ih:transfinal02 [2018/02/17 05:00] hippysmack [Mainshaft and Gears] |
techtalk:ih:transfinal02 [2023/02/11 03:29] hippysmack [Mainshaft Group] |
||
|---|---|---|---|
| Line 1: | Line 1: | ||
| [[:techtalk:menu|{{ :techtalk:gototechnicalmenu.jpg|}}]] | [[:techtalk:menu|{{ :techtalk:gototechnicalmenu.jpg|}}]] | ||
| ====== IH: Transmission & Final Drive ====== | ====== IH: Transmission & Final Drive ====== | ||
| - | ^Click here for tips on [[techtalk:ref:notes05#speed_transmission_removal_inspection_installation|4 Speed Transmission Removal / Inspection / Installation]]^ | + | ^Click here for tips on [[techtalk:ref:svcproc10#speed_transmission_removal_inspection_installation|4 Speed Transmission Removal / Inspection / Installation]]^ |
| ====== 1957 - 1970 Sportster Four-Speed Constant Mesh Dry Clutch Transmission Specifications ====== | ====== 1957 - 1970 Sportster Four-Speed Constant Mesh Dry Clutch Transmission Specifications ====== | ||
| Line 8: | Line 8: | ||
| ===== Sub-Documents ===== | ===== Sub-Documents ===== | ||
| * . . . [[techtalk:ih:transfinal02a|How to Adjust a Dry Clutch]] \\ | * . . . [[techtalk:ih:transfinal02a|How to Adjust a Dry Clutch]] \\ | ||
| - | |||
| - | |||
| ---- | ---- | ||
| - | |||
| * Type: | * Type: | ||
| * Dry - Multiple disc | * Dry - Multiple disc | ||
| + | * Worth noting is the MoCo had an optional wet clutch kit for 1954-up KH, XL, XLH, XLCH models. Kit # (37984-57) ((1959-1969 Sportster Parts Catalog Supplement 99451-69)) | ||
| * 7 friction plates, 7 steel plates between a steel backing plate and a front releasing disc | * 7 friction plates, 7 steel plates between a steel backing plate and a front releasing disc | ||
| *Back to front: Backing plate-S-F-S-F-S-F-S-F-S-F-S-F-S-F-Releasing disc | *Back to front: Backing plate-S-F-S-F-S-F-S-F-S-F-S-F-S-F-Releasing disc | ||
| Line 102: | Line 100: | ||
| ^XLH^ ^^ | ^XLH^ ^^ | ||
| |1958 - E1967|35205-52A|21 Tooth| | |1958 - E1967|35205-52A|21 Tooth| | ||
| - | |L1967-1973|35198-52|20 Tooth ((1970-1978 Sportster FSM pg 1-1))| | + | |L1967-1973|35198-52|20 Tooth ((1959-1969 HD Sportster / KH Parts Catalog Supplement)) ((1970-1978 Sportster FSM pg 1-1))| |
| |1973-E1979|35205-52A|21 Tooth ((1970-1978 Sportster FSM pg 1-1))| | |1973-E1979|35205-52A|21 Tooth ((1970-1978 Sportster FSM pg 1-1))| | ||
| ^XLCH^ ^^ | ^XLCH^ ^^ | ||
| |1958|35205-52A|21 Tooth| | |1958|35205-52A|21 Tooth| | ||
| |1959-E1969 XLCH|35198-52|20 Teeth| | |1959-E1969 XLCH|35198-52|20 Teeth| | ||
| - | |L1969-1971 ((1970-1978 Sportster FSM pg 1-1)) \\ (Engine # 69XLCH 5921 →) ((HD Service Bulletin #455 dated 12-6-1961))|35197-52|19 Tooth| | + | |L1969-1971 ((1970-1978 Sportster FSM pg 1-1)) \\ (Engine # 69XLCH 5921 →) ((TSB #582 dated 12-17-1968))|35197-52|19 Tooth| |
| |1972-1973|35198-52|20 Tooth ((1970-1978 Sportster FSM pg 1-1))| | |1972-1973|35198-52|20 Tooth ((1970-1978 Sportster FSM pg 1-1))| | ||
| |1973-E1979 ((1970-1978 Sportster FSM pg 1-1)) ((1954-1978 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 75)) ((1979-1985 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 61))|35205-52A ((1979-1985 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 61))|21 Tooth ((1970-1978 Sportster FSM pg 1-1))| | |1973-E1979 ((1970-1978 Sportster FSM pg 1-1)) ((1954-1978 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 75)) ((1979-1985 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 61))|35205-52A ((1979-1985 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 61))|21 Tooth ((1970-1978 Sportster FSM pg 1-1))| | ||
| Line 130: | Line 128: | ||
| *Clutch gear on mainshaft: .001 - .002 in. loose | *Clutch gear on mainshaft: .001 - .002 in. loose | ||
| *Mainshaft right side roller bearing: .0006 - .0014 in. loose | *Mainshaft right side roller bearing: .0006 - .0014 in. loose | ||
| + | * Mainshaft roller bearings: ((dims provided by Gearhead88 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5983327#post5983327)) | ||
| + | * (9095) Standard = .1562" | ||
| + | * (9096) + .0004" = .1566" | ||
| + | * (9097) + .0008" = .1570" | ||
| *Mainshaft end play: .004 - .009 in. | *Mainshaft end play: .004 - .009 in. | ||
| *(1970) .003 - .009 in. with all axial play removed | *(1970) .003 - .009 in. with all axial play removed | ||
| Line 163: | Line 165: | ||
| ==== Mainshaft and Gears ==== | ==== Mainshaft and Gears ==== | ||
| - | ^Mainshaft ((1952-1957 HD Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 25)) ((1952-1959 HD Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 30)) ((1953-1963 HD Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 33)) ((1955-1965 Sportster/KH Model Parts Catalog pg 34)) ((1966 Sportster/KH Model Parts Catalog Supplement)) ((1957-1967 Sportster/KH Model Parts Catalog pg 33)) ((1961-1971 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 33,34)) ((1962-1976 HD Sportster Parts Catalog Supplement)) ((1979 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 30,31)) ((1979-1980 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 30,31)) ((1979-1981 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 39)) ((1979-1981 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 39,41)) ((1979-1982 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 43)) ((1979-1983 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 43,45)) ((1979-1985 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 49)) ^^Change Year^Notes^ | + | ^Mainshaft^Part #^Change Year^Notes ((1952-1957 HD Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 25)) ((1952-1959 HD Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 30)) ((1953-1963 HD Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 33)) ((1955-1965 Sportster/KH Model Parts Catalog pg 34)) ((1966 Sportster/KH Model Parts Catalog Supplement)) ((1957-1967 Sportster/KH Model Parts Catalog pg 33)) ((1961-1971 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 33,34)) ((1962-1976 HD Sportster Parts Catalog Supplement)) ((1979 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 30,31)) ((1979-1980 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 30,31)) ((1979-1981 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 39)) ((1979-1981 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 39,41)) ((1979-1982 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 43)) ((1979-1983 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 43,45)) ((1979-1985 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 49))^ |
| |**L1956 KH** (engine # 1465 →) \\ **1957-1966 XL/XLH/XLCH** \\ **1967-1969 XLCH**|35044-56|1957| | | |**L1956 KH** (engine # 1465 →) \\ **1957-1966 XL/XLH/XLCH** \\ **1967-1969 XLCH**|35044-56|1957| | | ||
| |**1967-1970 XLH** \\ **1970 XLCH**|35046-67|1967 \\ 1970| | |**1967-1970 XLH** \\ **1970 XLCH**|35046-67|1967 \\ 1970| | ||
| - | |**1971-1975 XLH/XLCH**|35046-71|1971| | | ||
| - | |**1971-1983 XLH/XLCH/XLS/XLX**|35046-71A|1976| | | ||
| - | |**L1984-1985 XLH/XLS/XLX**|35036-84A|L1984| | | ||
| ^Mainshaft Low Gear^^Change Year^Notes^ | ^Mainshaft Low Gear^^Change Year^Notes^ | ||
| - | |**1956 KH** \\ **1957-1985 XL/XLH/XLCH/XLS/XLX**|35277-52A (27T)|1957| | | + | |**1956 KH** \\ **1957-1985** \\ **XL/XLH/XLCH/XLS/XLX**|35277-52A (27T)|1957| | |
| ^Mainshaft 2nd Gear^^Change Year^Notes^ | ^Mainshaft 2nd Gear^^Change Year^Notes^ | ||
| - | |**1956 KH** \\ **1957-1965 XL/XLH/XLCH**|35269-56 (23T)|1957| | | + | |**1956 KH** \\ **1957-1965** \\ **XL/XLH/XLCH**|35269-56 (23T)|1957| | |
| - | |**1956 KH** \\ **1957-1983 XL/XLH/XLCH/XLS**|35296-56 (23T)|1966| | | + | |**1956 KH** \\ **1957-1985** \\ **XL/XLH/XLCH/XLS**|35296-56 (23T)|1966|O.D. - 2.648"-2.657" ((HD Service Bulletin #M906 dated August 19,1985)) | |
| - | |**1979-1985 XLH/XLCH/XLS/XLX**|35296-56A (23T)|1985| | | + | |**1957-1986** \\ **XL/XLH/XLCH/XLS/XLX**|35296-56A (23T)|Early 1986|O.D. - 2.622"-2.627". This was a running change in current 883 transmissions when the early style gear stock was depleted. This new gear can be installed in all Sportsters back to 1957 except 1986 → 1100 transmissions which must use this late style gear. ((HD Service Bulletin #M906 dated August 19,1985)) | |
| ^Mainshaft 3rd Gear^^Change Year^Notes^ | ^Mainshaft 3rd Gear^^Change Year^Notes^ | ||
| - | |**1956 KH** \\ **1957-1983 XL/XLH/XLCH/XLS**|35305-56 (20T)|1957| | | + | |**1956 KH** \\ **1957-1985** \\ **XL/XLH/XLCH/XLS**|35305-56 (20T)|1957|O.D. - 2.448"-2.452". ((HD Service Bulletin #M906 dated August 19,1985)) | |
| - | |**1979-1985 XLH/XLCH/XLS/XLX**|35305-56A (20T)|1957| | | + | |**1957-1986** \\ **XL/XLH/XLCH/XLS/XLX**|35305-56A (20T)|Early 1986|O.D. - 2.423"-2.428". This was a running change in current 883 transmissions when the early style gear stock was depleted. This new gear can be installed in all Sportsters back to 1957 except 1986 → 1100 transmissions which must use this late style gear. ((HD Service Bulletin #M906 dated August 19,1985)) | |
| + | === Mainshaft roller bearings === | ||
| + | Standard rollers should measure .15625"-.15610". ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1601769&page=2)) \\ | ||
| + | Fit to shaft may not be determined by race size. \\ | ||
| + | In order to fit 23 new std rollers in the race, it needs to be big enough to accept 23 rollers with out the rollers binding in the race. \\ | ||
| + | When sized to the min. dia. that accepts 23 rollers with out bind, the shaft (.991" dia) will be will be about .002 running clearance. \\ | ||
| + | This is because there is no roller cage. The rollers touch each other. \\ | ||
| + | Because of the zero% roller to roller space trying to fit 23 o.s. rollers means the race needs to a lot bigger than the roller amount of roller o.s. \\ | ||
| + | This results in a looser running fit than used in the standard rollers. \\ | ||
| + | To use the os rollers and get a tighter fit than 23 standards, you can only use 22 o.s rollers. \\ | ||
| + | Rigid hone / line lap race to take 23 standards. \\ Then let clearance be whatever it is. \\ | ||
| + | | Mainshaft roller bearings ((photo by lynx of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2070971&highlight=oil+filter&page=10)) | | ||
| + | |{{:techtalk:ih:transfinal:1960_mainshaft_roller_bearings_by_lynnx.jpg?direct&400|}}| | ||
| ===== Countershaft Group ===== | ===== Countershaft Group ===== | ||
| Line 204: | Line 215: | ||
| ==== Countershaft and Gears ==== | ==== Countershaft and Gears ==== | ||
| - | ^Countershaft^Part No.^Notes ((1952-1957 HD Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 25)) ((1958 HD Supplement Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 25)) ((1952-1959 HD Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 30)) ((1953-1963 HD Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 34)) ((1955-1965 Sportster/KH Model Parts Catalog pg 34)) ((HD Service Bulletin #537 dated March 22, 1866 pg OC-221)) ((1957-1967 HD Sportster/KH Model Parts Catalog pg 34)) ((1961-1971 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 34)) ((1979 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 30,31)) ((1979-1980 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 31)) ((1979-1981 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 41)) ((1979-1982 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 44)) ((1979-1983 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 45))^^ | + | ^Countershaft^Part No.^Notes ((1952-1957 HD Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 25)) ((1958 HD Supplement Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 25)) ((1952-1959 HD Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 30)) ((1953-1963 HD Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 34)) ((1955-1965 Sportster/KH Model Parts Catalog pg 34)) ((HD Service Bulletin #537 dated March 22, 1866 pg OC-221)) ((1957-1967 HD Sportster/KH Model Parts Catalog pg 34)) ((1961-1971 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 34)) ((1979 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 30,31)) ((1979-1980 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 31)) ((1979-1981 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 41)) ((1979-1982 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 44)) ((1979-1983 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 45)) ((1979-1985 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 51))^^ |
| |**1954-1956 KH** \\ **1957 XL**|35613-54|[[techtalk:ih:transfinal03#countershaft_and_oiler_plug|More information about countershafts and the oiler plug]]|| | |**1954-1956 KH** \\ **1957 XL**|35613-54|[[techtalk:ih:transfinal03#countershaft_and_oiler_plug|More information about countershafts and the oiler plug]]|| | ||
| |**1958-E1984** \\ **All**|35613-58|:::|| | |**1958-E1984** \\ **All**|35613-58|:::|| | ||
| Line 210: | Line 221: | ||
| |**1952-1956 K** (all) \\ **1957 XL**|35695-52 (29T)|-| | |**1952-1956 K** (all) \\ **1957 XL**|35695-52 (29T)|-| | ||
| |**1952-1956 K** (all) \\ **1957 XL**|35695-52A (27T)|-| | |**1952-1956 K** (all) \\ **1957 XL**|35695-52A (27T)|-| | ||
| - | |**1958-1983** \\ **XL/XLC/XLH/XLCH/XLS**|35695-58 (27T)|1958| | + | |**1958-1985** \\ **XL/XLC/XLH/XLCH/XLS**|35695-58 (27T)|1958| |
| ^Countershaft 2nd Gear^Part No.^Change Year^Notes^ | ^Countershaft 2nd Gear^Part No.^Change Year^Notes^ | ||
| |**1954-1956 KH**|35750-54B (21T)|-| | |**1954-1956 KH**|35750-54B (21T)|-| | ||
| |**1954-1956 KH** \\ **1957 XL** \\ (replacement part)|35750-54C (21T)|1957| | |**1954-1956 KH** \\ **1957 XL** \\ (replacement part)|35750-54C (21T)|1957| | ||
| - | |**1958-1983** \\ **XL/XLC/XLH/XLCH/XLS**|35750-58 (20T)|1958| | + | |**1958-1985** \\ **XL/XLC/XLH/XLCH/XLS**|35750-58 (20T)|1958|O.D. - 2.448"-2.452" ((HD Service Bulletin #M906 dated August 19,1985))| |
| + | |**1957-1986** \\ **XL/XLC/XLH/XLCH/XLS/XLX** \\ (replacement part)|35750-58A (20T)|Early 1986|O.D. - 2.423"-2.428". This was a running change in current 883 transmissions when the early style gear stock was depleted. This new gear can be installed in all Sportsters back to 1957 except 1986 → 1100 transmissions which must use this late style gear. ((HD Service Bulletin #M906 dated August 19,1985))| | ||
| ^Countershaft 3rd Gear^Part No.^Change Year^Notes^ | ^Countershaft 3rd Gear^Part No.^Change Year^Notes^ | ||
| |**1954-1956 KH**|35709-54 (24T) ((1952-1957 HD Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 25))|-| | |**1954-1956 KH**|35709-54 (24T) ((1952-1957 HD Spare Parts Catalog for Sportster and K Models pg 25))|-| | ||
| - | |**1954-1956 KH** \\ **1957-1983 XL/XLC/XLH/XLCH/XLS** \\ (replacement part)|35709-54A (23T)| 1957| | + | |**1954-1956 KH** \\ **1957-1985 XL/XLC/XLH/XLCH/XLS** \\ (replacement part)|35709-54A (23T)| 1957|O.D. - 2.648"-2.657" ((HD Service Bulletin #M906 dated August 19,1985))| |
| + | |**1957-1986** \\ **XL/XLC/XLH/XLCH/XLS/XLX** \\ (replacement part)|35709-54B (23T)|Early 1986|O.D. - 2.622"-2.627". This was a running change in current 883 transmissions when the early style gear stock was depleted. This new gear can be installed in all Sportsters back to 1957 except 1986 → 1100 transmissions which must use this late style gear. ((HD Service Bulletin #M906 dated August 19,1985)) | | ||
| ^Countershaft Low Gear^Part No.^Change Year^Notes^ | ^Countershaft Low Gear^Part No.^Change Year^Notes^ | ||
| |**1954-1956 KH**|35759-54 (17T)|-| | |**1954-1956 KH**|35759-54 (17T)|-| | ||
| Line 223: | Line 236: | ||
| |**1957-1971** \\ **XL/XLC/XLH/XLCH** \\ (replacement part)|35760-54A (17T)|Late 1966|Replaced 35760-54 with an added counter-bore on case side to clear the added fillet in the new cases.| | |**1957-1971** \\ **XL/XLC/XLH/XLCH** \\ (replacement part)|35760-54A (17T)|Late 1966|Replaced 35760-54 with an added counter-bore on case side to clear the added fillet in the new cases.| | ||
| |**1957-1972** \\ **XL/XLH/XLCH** \\ (replacement part)|35760-54B (17T)|1972|(with speedometer drive gear)| | |**1957-1972** \\ **XL/XLH/XLCH** \\ (replacement part)|35760-54B (17T)|1972|(with speedometer drive gear)| | ||
| - | |**1973-1983 XLH/XLCH/XLS**|35760-73 (17T)|1973| | | + | |
| \\ | \\ | ||
| [[:techtalk:menu|{{:techtalk:gototechnicalmenu.jpg|}}]] | [[:techtalk:menu|{{:techtalk:gototechnicalmenu.jpg|}}]] | ||
