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| * . . . [[techtalk:ref:elec03a|Battery vent tube clamps]] \\ | * . . . [[techtalk:ref:elec03a|Battery vent tube clamps]] \\ | ||
| - | * . . . [[techtalk:ref:elec03b|Moving the battery cables]] \\ | + | * . . . [[techtalk:ref:elec03b|Moving & Mounting the battery cables]] \\ |
| * . . . [[techtalk:ref:elec03c|Charging the battery]] \\ | * . . . [[techtalk:ref:elec03c|Charging the battery]] \\ | ||
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| **The LIon** design similarly uses plates, but these plates are highly refined compounds with a similarly refined lithium ion electrolyte material which is not a liquid. This refinement accounts for their capabilities being differernt from the lead-acid batteries and also accounts for their higher costs (which will likely be reduced with increased usage). LIon batteries are virtually maintenance-free. | **The LIon** design similarly uses plates, but these plates are highly refined compounds with a similarly refined lithium ion electrolyte material which is not a liquid. This refinement accounts for their capabilities being differernt from the lead-acid batteries and also accounts for their higher costs (which will likely be reduced with increased usage). LIon batteries are virtually maintenance-free. | ||
| - | **The LFP** design is a refinement of the LIon. It has a more constant discharge voltage and a better safety record. However, the LFP design may require cell balancing & may exhibit a 'memory effect' when partially discharging and recharging. Special charging processes (specific chargers for LFP batteries) may be required to resolve these issues. | + | **The LFP** design is a refinement of the LIon. It has a more constant discharge voltage and a better safety record. However, the LFP design may require cell balancing & may exhibit a 'memory effect' when partially discharging and recharging. Special charging processes (specific chargers for LFP batteries) may be required to resolve these issues.((https://phys.org/news/2013-04-memory-effect-lithium-ion-batteries.html)) |
| {{:techtalk:ref:elec:battery-chargelevel.jpg|}}((2016 Sportster Owner's Manual))((1998 Sportster Service Manual)) | {{:techtalk:ref:elec:battery-chargelevel.jpg|}}((2016 Sportster Owner's Manual))((1998 Sportster Service Manual)) | ||
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| + | Be sure your multimeter BLACK Probe is properly grounded to the Battery Negative Post or to the frame. | ||
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| + | The above charts reflect the charts in the HD manuals as footnoted. Some other reference sources may indicate that SLA voltages are typically lower than AGM voltages. Check the manufacturer's specifications for your specific battery if you have any questions. | ||
| The wet-cell FLA is slowly being phased out with a greater embrace of the AGM or LIon versions. So, in a generalized way, here are the differences between the newer LIon batteries and the less-new AGM batteries: | The wet-cell FLA is slowly being phased out with a greater embrace of the AGM or LIon versions. So, in a generalized way, here are the differences between the newer LIon batteries and the less-new AGM batteries: | ||
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| but requires better regulation of charging cycle\\ | but requires better regulation of charging cycle\\ | ||
| LIons can be discharged deeper (up to 80%) than AGM (up to 50%)\\ | LIons can be discharged deeper (up to 80%) than AGM (up to 50%)\\ | ||
| - | Lion can be charge-cycled 5-10 times more often\\ | + | LIon can be charge-cycled 5-10 times more often\\ |
| - | Lion initial cost is about 1.5x-3x that of AGM\\ | + | LIon initial cost is about 1.5x-3x that of AGM\\ |
| + | LIon batteries may require specific chargers (AGM can use FLA chargers) | ||
| These variations must be weighed in light of the environment and usage for a particular application. It’s nonsensical to talk battery life without a valid reference to the environment of the usage - meaning the quality of the charging system plus the way the battery is used. In some sense, this is like the debates of 'best oil' or 'best tire' or even 'best bike'. | These variations must be weighed in light of the environment and usage for a particular application. It’s nonsensical to talk battery life without a valid reference to the environment of the usage - meaning the quality of the charging system plus the way the battery is used. In some sense, this is like the debates of 'best oil' or 'best tire' or even 'best bike'. | ||
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| Recent HD Sportster model batteries are Absorbed Glass Mat (AGM) versions. Those used on the 883cc models are rated at 12v, 12Ah & 200CCA. ((per 2010 & 2015 HD Police model brochure)) A typical size is 6-7/8" Length, 3-7/16" Width & 6-1/8" Height. | Recent HD Sportster model batteries are Absorbed Glass Mat (AGM) versions. Those used on the 883cc models are rated at 12v, 12Ah & 200CCA. ((per 2010 & 2015 HD Police model brochure)) A typical size is 6-7/8" Length, 3-7/16" Width & 6-1/8" Height. | ||
| - | **(According to [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=5809689&postcount=64|this post]], HD changed brands from Deka to Yuasa in 2019)** | + | **(According to [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-electrical-and-ignition/182375-which-battery/page5?postcount=64#post4383466|this post]], HD changed brands from Deka to Yuasa in 2019)** |
| Here's the sales pitch made for HD batteries when they were sourcing them as Deka brand:\\ | Here's the sales pitch made for HD batteries when they were sourcing them as Deka brand:\\ | ||
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| - | A summary list from the above claim suggests these batteries are all USA Made: | + | The EXT designated batteries are made by East Penn Manufacturing. |
| + | A summary list, from the above claim, suggests these batteries are all USA Made: | ||
| Super Start Extreme (O'Reilly's)\\ | Super Start Extreme (O'Reilly's)\\ | ||
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| Lightning Start (Power Source)\\ | Lightning Start (Power Source)\\ | ||
| - | As with any product, you might rightly expect that some versions of the products from these manufacturers vary in quality due to materials and processes being different. But in general, based on the above link, all these branded batteries should have similar (if not the exact same) qualities. | + | The YTX designated batteries are made by Yuasa (Yuasa Battery Inc). They likely also make other branded models, if they are designated as a YTX model. Yuasa Batteries Inc. is located in Laureldale, PA. |
| + | As with any product, you might rightly expect that some versions of the products from these manufacturers vary in quality due to materials and processes being different. Even though multiple brands of batteries may be made by the same manufacturer, that does not 'necessarily' mean they are all manufactured to the same specifications. | ||
| ===== Aftermarket LFP ===== | ===== Aftermarket LFP ===== | ||
