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 Which is why JIMS uses a bigger axle and more rollers and now they'​re force feeding oil to it. \\ Which is why JIMS uses a bigger axle and more rollers and now they'​re force feeding oil to it. \\
  
-On 91-05 bikes, the lifters were prevented from rotating via use of tappet "​anti-rotation-pins"​ (which came in two different styles). ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=1510606)) \\+On 91-05 bikes, the lifters were prevented from rotating via use of tappet "​anti-rotation-pins"​ (which came in two different styles). ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/vendors/​hammer-performance/​139198-well-been-doing-some-thinking-excess-valvetrain-noise?​t=1510606)) \\
 In 2006, they changed the design to a plastic "​anti-rotaion-device"​ or ARD. \\ In 2006, they changed the design to a plastic "​anti-rotaion-device"​ or ARD. \\
  
-One thing you need to pay attention to when using high lift cams is the tappet pin clearance. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?t=322680)) ((http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?p=1011178&​highlight=lifter+pins#​post1011178)) \\+One thing you need to pay attention to when using high lift cams is the tappet pin clearance. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-engine-conversions/​59164-i-think-i-screwed-up-with-new-cam-install?t=322680)) ((https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-bottom-end/​43338-base-circle-size?​highlight=lifter+pins#​post897331)) \\
 Without enough clearance, the tappet will contact the pin and make a racket. \\  Without enough clearance, the tappet will contact the pin and make a racket. \\ 
 The generally accepted minimum clearance is .060": The generally accepted minimum clearance is .060":
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 Jims lifters have longer flats on the tappets, but roller failure has been reported while using them. \\ Jims lifters have longer flats on the tappets, but roller failure has been reported while using them. \\
  
-|Pin damage from lifter ((photo by groovemeisterus of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=1647586))|Tappet and pin wear ((photo by groovemeisterus of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​page=2&​t=1647586))|+|Pin damage from lifter ((photo by groovemeisterus of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-engine-conversions/​153000-bad-tappet-noise-from-high-lift-cams?​t=1647586))|Tappet and pin wear ((photo by groovemeisterus of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-engine-conversions/​153000-bad-tappet-noise-from-high-lift-cams/​page2?​page=2&​t=1647586))|
 |{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​anti_rotation_screw_damage_by_groovemeisterus.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​tappet_and_pin_wear_by_groovemeisterus.jpg?​direct&​300|}}| |{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​anti_rotation_screw_damage_by_groovemeisterus.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​tappet_and_pin_wear_by_groovemeisterus.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|
  
-|  Stock vs Jims lifter tappet flat comparison. ((photos by aswracing of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=1510606)) ​ ((http://xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1510606)) ​ ||Notice how the wear ring extends down below the \\ machined area of this S&S lifter a little. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?p=4836812&​highlight=lifter+pins#​post4836812))|+|  Stock vs Jims lifter tappet flat comparison. ((photos by aswracing of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/vendors/hammer-performance/139198-well-been-doing-some-thinking-excess-valvetrain-noise?​t=1510606)) ​ ||Notice how the wear ring extends down below the \\ machined area of this S&S lifter a little. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-engine-conversions/​164458-cannibal-queen-conversion-cam-carnage/​page18?​highlight=lifter+pins#​post3513797))|
 |{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​stock_vs_jims_tappet_flats_by_aswracing.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​tappet_pin_comparison_2_by_aswracing.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​sands_lifter_pin_wear_on_lifter_by_aswracing.jpg?​direct&​300|}}| |{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​stock_vs_jims_tappet_flats_by_aswracing.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​tappet_pin_comparison_2_by_aswracing.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​sands_lifter_pin_wear_on_lifter_by_aswracing.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|
  
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-91-05 lifter pins are only supported on the front side. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?p=5254149&​highlight=lifter+pins#​post5254149)) \\+91-05 lifter pins are only supported on the front side. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-engine-conversions/​177032-a-tale-of-two-sporty-s-and-brand-new-dream-or-1250-was-fun-how-about-100/​page3?​highlight=lifter+pins#​post3827139)) \\
 The back side of the pin bore is not drilled through so the pin just kind of hangs there near the back wall of the bore. \\ The back side of the pin bore is not drilled through so the pin just kind of hangs there near the back wall of the bore. \\
  
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 You have to drill each hole deeper and then tap the outer portion to update to the new style. \\ You have to drill each hole deeper and then tap the outer portion to update to the new style. \\
  
-|91-05 vs 00-05 Up lifter pins ((photo by aswracing of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=1510606))|00-05 style pins in a 91-05 engine. ((photo by aswracing of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=341901))| ​  +|91-05 vs 00-05 Up lifter pins ((photo by aswracing of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/vendors/​hammer-performance/​139198-well-been-doing-some-thinking-excess-valvetrain-noise?​t=1510606))|00-05 style pins in a 91-05 engine. ((photo by aswracing of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-bottom-end/​60421-what-kind-of-tappets-do-you-recommend?​t=341901))| ​  
 |{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​tappet_pin_comparison_by_aswracing.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​91-05_tappet_pin_upgrade_by_aswracing.jpg?​direct&​300|}}| |{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​tappet_pin_comparison_by_aswracing.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​91-05_tappet_pin_upgrade_by_aswracing.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|
  
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 ===== OEM 2000 and Up vs SBC Lifters ===== ===== OEM 2000 and Up vs SBC Lifters =====
  
-Comparison of OEM 02 style Sportster lifter (18538-99A) and an aftermarket Crane Cams lifter (10530) for small block Chevy'​s. ((Scuba10jdl of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=1706033)) \\+Comparison of OEM 02 style Sportster lifter (18538-99A) and an aftermarket Crane Cams lifter (10530) for small block Chevy'​s. ((Scuba10jdl of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-bottom-end/​159217-lifters-comparison?​t=1706033)) \\
  
 From left to right you can see the retaining clip, pushrod seat, piddle valve, plunger / spring, and lifter body. \\ From left to right you can see the retaining clip, pushrod seat, piddle valve, plunger / spring, and lifter body. \\
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 The bleed down rate is controlled by plunger-to-body clearance. \\ The bleed down rate is controlled by plunger-to-body clearance. \\
  
-|Lifter (18538-99A) from an 02 XL883 ((photo by Scuba10jdl of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=1706033))|Crane Cams 10530 SBC Lifter ((photo by Scuba10jdl of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=1706033))|Crane on left, HD "​A"​ on right. ((photo by Scuba10jdl of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=1706033))|+|Lifter (18538-99A) from an 02 XL883 ((photo by Scuba10jdl of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-bottom-end/​159217-lifters-comparison?​t=1706033))|Crane Cams 10530 SBC Lifter ((photo by Scuba10jdl of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-bottom-end/​159217-lifters-comparison?​t=1706033))|Crane on left, HD "​A"​ on right. ((photo by Scuba10jdl of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-bottom-end/​159217-lifters-comparison?​t=1706033))|
 |{{:​techtalk:​evo:​engmech:​02_lifter_1_by_scuba10jdl.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​crane_cams_10530_sbc_lifter_by_scuba10jdl.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​02_lifter_-_crane_cams_lifter_comparison_by_scuba10jdl.jpg?​direct&​300|}}| |{{:​techtalk:​evo:​engmech:​02_lifter_1_by_scuba10jdl.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​crane_cams_10530_sbc_lifter_by_scuba10jdl.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​02_lifter_-_crane_cams_lifter_comparison_by_scuba10jdl.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|
  
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 This is a critical measurement when installing high lift cams. \\ This is a critical measurement when installing high lift cams. \\
 Otherwise, on stock motors, it shouldn'​t be necessary unless you have a lifter fail. And then, replacing with stock lifters should be fine. \\ Otherwise, on stock motors, it shouldn'​t be necessary unless you have a lifter fail. And then, replacing with stock lifters should be fine. \\
-As an example, the Buell XBRR uses the stock lifters and it spins 9000rpm. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=1933342&​highlight=disassembling+lifters&​page=2)) \\+As an example, the Buell XBRR uses the stock lifters and it spins 9000rpm. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-bottom-end/​179904-s-s-hl2t-and-jims-hydrosolid-question/​page2?​t=1933342&​highlight=disassembling+lifters&​page=2)) \\
  
-High performance lifters are especially helpful as a piece of preventative maintenance when high spring pressures are used. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​s=73d24db8f0756ef41c6215fd92ad0055&​p=4726240)) \\+High performance lifters are especially helpful as a piece of preventative maintenance when high spring pressures are used. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/vendors/​hammer-performance/​160789-gaterman-lifters-now-available-from-hammer-performance?​s=73d24db8f0756ef41c6215fd92ad0055#​post3437771)) \\
 The longer flats also allow higher lifts. The longer flats also allow higher lifts.
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 ===== Other Useful Links ===== ===== Other Useful Links =====
-This is a very good XLFORUM discussion thread on [[http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=1933342&​highlight=disassembling+lifters|lifters and high lift cams]]. \\+This is a very good XLFORUM discussion thread on [[https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-bottom-end/​179904-s-s-hl2t-and-jims-hydrosolid-question?​t=1933342&​highlight=disassembling+lifters|lifters and high lift cams]]. \\
  
 ===== Feuling lifters ===== ===== Feuling lifters =====
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 ===== Gaterman Lifters ===== ===== Gaterman Lifters =====
-Four different models are available for XL's. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​s=73d24db8f0756ef41c6215fd92ad0055&​p=4726240)) \\+Four different models are available for XL's. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/vendors/​hammer-performance/​160789-gaterman-lifters-now-available-from-hammer-performance?​s=73d24db8f0756ef41c6215fd92ad0055#​post3437771)) \\
 Common features include: \\ Common features include: \\
  
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 ===== Jims lifters ===== ===== Jims lifters =====
-|The JIMS lifters have the machined area up higher as \\ compared to the stock lifters. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?p=4836812&​highlight=lifter+pins#​post4836812))|+|The JIMS lifters have the machined area up higher as \\ compared to the stock lifters. ((aswracing of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-engine-conversions/​164458-cannibal-queen-conversion-cam-carnage/​page18?​highlight=lifter+pins#​post3513797))|
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 ===== S&S Lifters ===== ===== S&S Lifters =====
- +|  S&S (33-5350) lifters ((photos by rubine of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-bottom-end/​186414-s-s-lifter-identification-help?​t=1993359)) ​ |||
-|  S&S (33-5350) lifters ((photos by rubine of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=1993359)) ​ |||+
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