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techtalk:ref:engmech05 [2019/07/26 17:34]
hippysmack [Vent Outlet Above vs Below the Head Vents]
techtalk:ref:engmech05 [2019/11/14 04:14]
hippysmack [Vent Outlet Above vs Below the Head Vents]
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 However, the goop (emulsified oil) is a restriction to crankcase pressure leaving the engine until it is cleared. \\ However, the goop (emulsified oil) is a restriction to crankcase pressure leaving the engine until it is cleared. \\
  
-{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​horseshoe_breather_tube_mounted_high_1_by_hippysmack.jpg?​direct&​400|}} ((drawing by Hippysmack)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​horseshoe_breather_tube_mounted_high_2_by_hippysmack.jpg?​direct&​400|}} ((drawing by Hippysmack)) \\+{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​ahorseshoe_breather_tube_mounted_high_1_by_hippysmack.jpg?​direct&​400|}} ((drawing by Hippysmack)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​ahorseshoe_breather_tube_mounted_high_2_by_hippysmack.jpg?​direct&​400|}} ((drawing by Hippysmack)) \\
  
 |Horseshoe tube, high mount / vent line in front. ((photo by OakBehringer of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2004878))|Rear bolt covered in sludge. ((photo by OakBehringer of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2004878))|Filter mounted high will receive built up sludge. ((photo by AustinXL of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1507294))| |Horseshoe tube, high mount / vent line in front. ((photo by OakBehringer of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2004878))|Rear bolt covered in sludge. ((photo by OakBehringer of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2004878))|Filter mounted high will receive built up sludge. ((photo by AustinXL of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1507294))|
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 To stop a leak, you may be tempted to tighten the bolts even more. \\ To stop a leak, you may be tempted to tighten the bolts even more. \\
 This could result in breaking the bolt. \\ This could result in breaking the bolt. \\
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 +On 04-up heads, changing to aftermarket breather bolts means using bolts with the bigger I.D. (91-03) style bolts. \\
 +The results of using the bigger holed bolt would be a slower rate of outflow and less positive crankcase pressure on a stock motor. ((Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2073932&​page=4)) \\
 +But the timing of the upstroke is the same which then pulls a vacuum. \\
 +The umbrella valve will close down only when inside air pressure is lower than outside air pressure. \\
 +If the inside pressure can't get out fast enough before piston upstroke happens the umbrella may '​float'​ or not close all the way. \\
 +If the umbrella floats, X amount of extra air is pulled in until it does close. \\
 +(on top of what didn't get completely out on the last downstroke = more air in the engine on the next downstoke = oil puking out the breather). \\
 +How much slower the bigger bolt hole yields will vary with different engines. \\
 +
 +However, the smaller holed bolts were designed to OEM specs internally. \\
 +If you've upgraded to bigger pistons, there will be more positive pressure displaced out the breathers on downstroke. \\
 +This may negate the need for higher pressure generated by the smaller holed bolts. \\
 +This may be something you'd want to watch since there isn't sufficient data to prove one way or the other. \\
  
 {{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​breather_mod_2_by_hagen.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by Hagen of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=146084&​page=11)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​ds_breather_bolt_by_hagen.png?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by Hagen of theXLFORIM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=692845)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​broken_banjo_bolt_by_scout99.jpg?​direct&​200|}} ((photo by Scout99 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=28299)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​breather_mod_2_by_hagen.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by Hagen of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=146084&​page=11)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​ds_breather_bolt_by_hagen.png?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by Hagen of theXLFORIM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=692845)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​broken_banjo_bolt_by_scout99.jpg?​direct&​200|}} ((photo by Scout99 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=28299))
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 ====== Pics of Aftermarket Breather Valves ====== ====== Pics of Aftermarket Breather Valves ======
  
-|Doherty Power Vents with the line routed up then \\ down and attached to the bottom of the frame. ((photo by RIORoosen of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=146084&​page=18))|Hayden KVP38 breather valve, used with the \\ [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech05d|Deimus Mod]] (cam chest breather conversion). ((photo by 60Gunner of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=5763918#​post5763918))| +|Doherty Power Vents with the line routed up then \\ down and attached to the bottom of the frame. ((photo by RIORoosen of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=146084&​page=18))
-|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​breather_mod_by_rioroosen.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​deimus_mod_8_by_60gunner.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|+|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​breather_mod_by_rioroosen.jpg?​direct&​300|}}| 
 + 
 +|Hayden KVP38 breather valve, used with the \\ [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech05d|Deimus Mod]] (cam chest breather conversion). ((photo by 60Gunner of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=5763918#​post5763918))|  Hayden breather opened up. ((photos by leucadiaGuit of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=2004869 cropped by Hippysmack)) ​ |
 +|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​deimus_mod_8_by_60gunner.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​hayden_krankvent_3_by_leucadiaguit_-_cropped.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​hayden_krankvent_2_by_leucadiaguit_-_cropped.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|