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-====== REF: Suspension ======
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 ====== Ironhead - Aftermarket Motor Mounts and Alternatives ======
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 ====== Pingel Rear Motor Mount ======
-Pingel makes an aftermarket rear motor mount that is a widely popular replacement to the original mount. \\
+Before quality TIG equipment was available, Pingel was the only real choice for an aftermarket rear mount. ((stealthammer of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31445&page=3)) \\
+And a lot of early Ironheads needed them. The Pingel is a slightly different design and it can usually be installed with the engine still in the frame. \\
+You will just need to loosen up all of the motor mounts so the motor can be shifted around a bit. \\
+Today a lot of these cracked mounts can also be repaired (without pulling the motor) by a good welder though.
+How you choose to go depends on how bad the cracking is and how good you want the repair to be. \\
+The Pingel mount is substantially better quality than the stock part and is a widely popular replacement to the original mount. \\
 From their website: ((http://www.pingelonline.com/harley-davidson-accessories/rm2-2-bolt-rear-motor-mount-for-harley-davidson-1952-1981-sportsters.asp)) \\
 //"This 2 bolt rear mount is made of super high tensile alloy to be virtually indestructible. \\
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-Pingel used to be Motorsport. Same product with the Pingel name now. Below are a few Motorsport rear mounts. \\
+Pingel used to be Motorsport. Same product with the Pingel name now. \\
+They bought out Motorsport back in the early 80s. The early mounts actually had Motorsport cast in. ((Monte03 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=670768&page=5)) \\
-{{:techtalk:ref:susp:motorsport_rear_motor_mount_by_norway93ci.jpg?direct&200|}} ((photo by Norway93ci of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1988724)) {{:techtalk:ref:susp:motorsport_rear_motor_mount_by_fdny37.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by fdny37 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31445&page=3))
+Pingle went on to make some neat parts dedicated mostly to the drag racing circuit including wheelie bars,petcocks, motormounts, etc. \\
+Below are a few Motorsport rear mounts. \\
+{{techtalk:ref:engmech:motorsport_rear_motor_mount_by_norway93ci.jpg?direct&200|}} ((photo by Norway93ci of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1988724)) {{techtalk:ref:engmech:motorsport_rear_motor_mount_by_fdny37.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by fdny37 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31445&page=3)) \\
+The old mount will need to be cut out, and the Pingle mount should slide in place. \\
+Or you could try and take 2 nuts and turn them against each other removing those studs one at a time and then the motor mount will just fall out the back of the cases. ((Jtrapass of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31445&page=3)) \\
+However, those studs can be very difficult to remove properly. \\
 You can slide the Pingel on without splitting the cases. The factory one requires you to split the cases to install it. ((Shadowdog500 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=670768)) \\
-You can remove a cracked factory one without splitting the cases with a few well placed cuts with a dremmel drill and chisel.
+You can remove a cracked factory one without splitting the cases with a few well placed cuts with a dremmel drill and chisel. \\
 You can also re-use the stock studs and it will slip over the studs and kick shaft. ((cedestech of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=670768&page=3)) \\
+The only problem on 71 or newer XLCHs is the bottom oil tank bracket must be slotted to clear the rib on the mount. ((Gone of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=670768)) \\
+The kicker shaft and seal can be replaced with the mount in place. \\
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 Harley-Davidson frames are not perfect since they twist when welding and you may need to shim you motor in the frame because of this, so follow this procedure. Do not force front motor mounts into position. For proper engine alignment with front motor mounts, you may need to shim left of right - top or bottom for rear motor mount to frame. Install rear mount on engine and bolt assembly into frame. Check for left to right alignment of front motor mounts using a straight edge on motor and frame mounting pads. If straight edge does not lie flat across the surfaces of the pads, you must use a shim of proper thickness between upper or lower rear mount pads where they bolt to motorcycle frame. You can also use shims under the upper or lower rear motor mount pad to adjust the height of the front of the motor for the front mounts. Use shim stock that is available from local auto parts stores. You will need to notch the shim stock around the mounting bolts".
-{{:techtalk:ref:susp:pingel_rear_motor_mount_1_by_paraord.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by paraord of the XLFORUM  )) {{:techtalk:ref:susp:pingel_rear_motor_mount_2_by_paraord.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by paraord of the XLFORUM  )) \\
+Examples of ways to cut the rear mount off without splitting the cases for a Pingel replacement mount. \\
-====== Fitment issues ======
+|Killer CH used a Saws All to cut the mount. ((photo by Killer CH of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1394749))|paraord used a Dremil tool and some elbow grease. ((photo by paraord of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1394749))|
+|{{techtalk:ih:engmech:cutting_rear_motor_mount_by_killer_ch.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{techtalk:ih:engmech:cutting_rear_motor_mount_by_paraord.jpg?direct&300|}}|
+|  Pingel mount installed.
+{{techtalk:ref:engmech:pingel_rear_motor_mount_1_by_paraord.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by paraord of the XLFORUM  )) {{techtalk:ref:engmech:pingel_rear_motor_mount_2_by_paraord.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by paraord of the XLFORUM  )) \\
+====== Fitment issues ======
 The Pingel rear mount has been highly respected part for many years. \\
 Most that have used it have nothing but good things to say about it. \\
 However, as with most other parts, you can get one that doesn't quite fit right every now and then. \\
+There have been imported parts that were of lower quality and workmanship than USA made parts. \\
+Below are a couple comparison pics of ZEL and Motorsport mounts. \\
+{{techtalk:ref:engmech:zel_and_motorsport_mount_comaparison_1_by_chevelle.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by chevelle of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1384261&page=4)) {{techtalk:ref:engmech:zel_and_motorsport_mount_comaparison_2_by_chevelle.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by chevelle of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1384261&page=4)) \\

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