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 See also [[techtalk:ref:genmsr06#using_a_stethoscope_or_other_to_hunt_down_engine_noises|Using a Stethoscope or Other to Hunt Down Engine Noises]] in the REF section of the Sportsterpedia. \\
-Noise and Vibration are normal for a Harley. ((Recon Dad of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=823082)) \\
+Noise and Vibration are normal for a Harley. ((Recon Dad of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/efi-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2007-and-up/97463-engine-noise?t=823082)) \\
-In fact, they are an amalgamation of vibration, sort of a syncopated pandemonium. ((Ireeman of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2072940&page=3)) \\
+In fact, they are an amalgamation of vibration, sort of a syncopated pandemonium. ((Ireeman of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/196416-what%C2%92s-that-sound/page3?t=2072940&page=3)) \\
-Harmful noises are hard to determine without a well trained ear and these engines make a lot of noise anyway. ((milmat1 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1902363&highlight=stethoscope#post1902363)) \\
+Harmful noises are hard to determine without a well trained ear and these engines make a lot of noise anyway. ((milmat1 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-bottom-end/72005-knocking-apparently-big-end?highlight=stethoscope#post1506806)) \\
 Plus the sound travels through the cases to places other than where it originates. \\
 So critical listening is a must as a noise on one side of the engine may sound more like another area instead. \\
-There was an article in Cycle World back in '83 that said the noises a healthy Ironhead makes would be considered terminal on other makes. ((83XLX of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=832376)) \\
+There was an article in Cycle World back in '83 that said the noises a healthy Ironhead makes would be considered terminal on other makes. ((83XLX of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/98047-ironhead-noise?t=832376)) \\
 In becoming familiar with the "normal" noises, you can just keep an ear out for abnormal ones as you're speeding down the road. \\
-They all sound a little different though, which is really unique. ((fergerburger of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=832376)) \\
+They all sound a little different though, which is really unique. ((fergerburger of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/98047-ironhead-noise?t=832376)) \\
-Of course the closer you are to the point of origin of a noise the louder it will be. ((Ferrous Head of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=977525&page=4)) \\
+Of course the closer you are to the point of origin of a noise the louder it will be. ((Ferrous Head of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/107497-using-a-stethoscope-to-listen-to-the-engine/page4?t=977525&page=4)) \\
 You sometimes get random noises too and they are generally chassis related. \\
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 Larger bearings like mains "rumble" when they are worn, but also if they aren't getting enough oil for whatever reason. \\
-|  Mechanic stethoscope. ((photos by asasial of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=977525&page=3))  |  A wooden dowel for a listening tool. ((photos by Hippysmack))  |
+|  Mechanic stethoscope. ((photos by asasial of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/107497-using-a-stethoscope-to-listen-to-the-engine/page3?t=977525&page=3))  |  A wooden dowel for a listening tool. ((photos by Hippysmack))  |
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 ===== Critical Listening =====
 If you find that it is an internal engine noise, don't go straight to your tool box and put your blinders on. ((HD Tech Tip dated April 1986)) \\
 It's hard to check oil pressure, cylinder compression, timing or locate the noise if the motor is in now little pieces. \\
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 ====== Comparing Noises From Other Bikes ======
+Imports are liquid cooled, and that in and of itself kills a lot of engine noise that would normally get to your ears due to: ((DG_Sportster of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/efi-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2007-and-up/97463-engine-noise?t=823082)) \\
-Imports are liquid cooled, and that in and of itself kills a lot of engine noise that would normally get to your ears due to: ((DG_Sportster of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=823082)) \\
   * Closer tolerances allowed by liquid cooling.
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 ====== Noise From Vibration ======
-Harley-Davidson uses a common crank pin, meaning that both pistons travel up and down together at the same time. ((xllent01 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1721404)) \\
+Harley-Davidson uses a common crank pin, meaning that both pistons travel up and down together at the same time. ((xllent01 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/160409-rpm-related-vibrations?t=1721404)) \\
 So all the weight is being thrown back and forth causing vibrations and the very particular “proprietary” sound or rumble. \\
 Keeping the motor above 3000 rpm's will smooth the vibrations out dramatically. \\
-We can learn to live with it if we know what some of the symptoms are, or we can try to reduce it in many ways. ((xllent01 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-3983.html)) \\
+We can learn to live with it if we know what some of the symptoms are, or we can try to reduce it in many ways. ((xllent01 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/2652-what-s-all-the-deal-about-vibration)) \\
 Look for loose fasteners and hardware. \\
 The engine and transmission mounts that are loose especially the top motor mount.
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 Timing can cause vibrations. \\
-A lot of the vibration depends on the rpm and gear you are riding in. These motors do not like to be lugged. ((BWP 5p of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=27)) \\
+A lot of the vibration depends on the rpm and gear you are riding in. These motors do not like to be lugged. ((BWP 5p of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page27?t=27701&page=27)) \\
 Move the timing 1 degree more advanced and test ride. Then move it one degree retarded from original setting and test ride. \\
-You will find you can tune out some vibrations at certain rpms moving the timing slightly. ((Shu of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1662083)) \\
+You will find you can tune out some vibrations at certain rpms moving the timing slightly. ((Shu of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/154889-speed-and-vibration?t=1662083)) \\
 Tires can cause vibrations. \\
-Worn or under-inflated tires can develop cupping in the tread that can create a lot of vibes. ((Hexlobular of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1662083&page=2)) \\
+Worn or under-inflated tires can develop cupping in the tread that can create a lot of vibes. ((Hexlobular of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/154889-speed-and-vibration/page2?t=1662083&page=2)) \\
 You might not notice them all the time, but they can create a buzzy ride at certain speeds. \\
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 ===== Front Forks =====
-At a full stop with the bike idling, you apply the front brake and the bike gets a vibration like a buzz in frequency. ((wedge of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1680285&highlight=forks+vibrate)) \\
+At a full stop with the bike idling, you apply the front brake and the bike gets a vibration like a buzz in frequency. ((wedge of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-tires-wheels-and-brakes-aa/157028-vibration-front-brake?t=1680285&highlight=forks+vibrate)) \\
 It disappears when you release the brake lever, and comes back as soon as you apply the brake. \\
-As the engine rotates (picture the crank moving) the inertia tries to move the bike slightly fore and aft. ((racerwill of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1680285&highlight=forks+vibrate)) \\
+As the engine rotates (picture the crank moving) the inertia tries to move the bike slightly fore and aft. ((racerwill of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-tires-wheels-and-brakes-aa/157028-vibration-front-brake?t=1680285&highlight=forks+vibrate)) \\
 The wheel absorbs this motion by rolling very slightly , maybe 1/16" or less. \\
 By applying the front brake, you stop the movement of the tire so the oscillations of inertia go to the forks and back into the bike. \\
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 Vibration in the forks can appear like a dance or like the forks are about to break. \\
 This can shake the brake pad(s) or lights, mirrors and any part on the front can be subject to making noise. \\
 ===== Motor Mounts =====
-Engine mounts may very well be the most ignored maintenance point. ((cantolina of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=3)) \\
+Engine mounts may very well be the most ignored maintenance point. ((cantolina of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page3?t=27701&page=3)) \\
 You can loosen them after working on the engine, run the bike to let the engine "settle in" to the mounts and then torque'em back down. \\
 It may help with vibration issues. \\
-You can also torque the motor mount bolts and put a small line (fine permanent marker) across the bolt and the nut. ((MikeGV of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=24)) \\
+You can also torque the motor mount bolts and put a small line (fine permanent marker) across the bolt and the nut. ((MikeGV of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page24?t=27701&page=24)) \\
 That way can easily spot if the bolt/nut has moved and loosened. \\
 ==== Ironheads / Rigid mount Evos ====
+The frame mount sporty is designed to get rigidity from the engine mounted to the frame. ((sep69 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/128772-motor-mount-question?highlight=cracked+head+motor+mount#post2973264)) \\
-The frame mount sporty is designed to get rigidity from the engine mounted to the frame. ((sep69 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4069288&highlight=cracked+head+motor+mount#post4069288)) \\
 Loosing one mount therefore will weaken the overall construction (and increase vibration).
-The reason for so many engine mounts is also rotational loads the engine develops. ((tmack-1 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4069288&highlight=cracked+head+motor+mount#post4069288)) \\
+The reason for so many engine mounts is also rotational loads the engine develops. ((tmack-1 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/128772-motor-mount-question?highlight=cracked+head+motor+mount#post2973264)) \\
 Something like when a muscle car shakes the engine when you rev it. \\
 If you are building a bike, chances are you will make performance mod's to the engine. \\
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 **Symptom**: \\
-Vibration, growing stronger with higher RPMs, can be violent. ((boneheaddoctor of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4610630&highlight=motor+mount+noise#post4610630)) \\
+Vibration, growing stronger with higher RPMs, can be violent. ((boneheaddoctor of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/158202-vibration/page2?highlight=motor+mount+noise#post3359324)) \\
 **Condition**: \\
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 Make certain all the mount bolts are not only there, but are properly torqued as well. \\
 One bolt can make that much of a difference. \\
 ==== Rubber mount Evos ====
 There shouldn't be that much vibration on rubbermount bikes. \\
-You should feel some but not enough to make your feet numb. ((gronk62 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=6)) \\
+You should feel some but not enough to make your feet numb. ((gronk62 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page6?t=27701&page=6)) \\
-Keeping the motor mounts in specs makes all the difference in the world. ((Bill2 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=12)) \\
+Keeping the motor mounts in specs makes all the difference in the world. ((Bill2 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page12?t=27701&page=12)) \\
 **Tip**: If your mirrors are blurry, check your motor mounts. \\
-The front motor mounts are notorious for loosening up. ((Toejam503 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5713261&highlight=loose+motor+mount#post5713261)) \\
+The front motor mounts are notorious for loosening up. ((Toejam503 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/195355-vibration-during-acceleration?highlight=loose+motor+mount#post4251983)) \\
 Also check the condition of all the motor mount rubber isolators, they can deteriorate from age. \\
-If you over tighten the front mount, you're compressing the mount making it stiffer. ((A_Ride_4_ever of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=28)) \\
+If you over tighten the front mount, you're compressing the mount making it stiffer. ((A_Ride_4_ever of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page28?t=27701&page=28)) \\
 This leads to less give and a much higher chance of cracking the front mount. \\
-Check the large thru bolt (1" hex head) in the front rubber motor mount. ((ron1200c of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701)) \\
+Check the large thru bolt (1" hex head) in the front rubber motor mount. ((ron1200c of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt?t=27701)) \\
-It's in the front of your bike below the voltage regulator under the oil filter. ((xena of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=4)) \\
+It's in the front of your bike below the voltage regulator under the oil filter. ((xena of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page4?t=27701&page=4)) \\
 There's your rubber mount with the big bolt going through it. \\
 If there is no thread showing where the nut is on the bolt, check tightness. \\
-Threads are normally past the end of the nut ranging from 1-2 threads to 1-1/2" or so. ((garbiker of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=5)) ((dave of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=8)) \\
+Threads are normally past the end of the nut ranging from 1-2 threads to 1-1/2" or so. ((garbiker of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page5?t=27701&page=5)) ((dave of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page8?t=27701&page=8)) \\
 So if it's flush or so you may need to retighten it or at least check it. \\
-As long as it's up to torque (and Loctite was applied), you're good. ((dave of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=8)) \\
+As long as it's up to torque (and Loctite was applied), you're good. ((dave of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page8?t=27701&page=8)) \\
 You can remove the right foot peg and rear brake pedal to gain access to the nut. \\
-You may only need to take the bolts out of the front peg mount and rotate it out of the way to get a torque wrench on that nut. ((clayvis of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=4)) \\
+You may only need to take the bolts out of the front peg mount and rotate it out of the way to get a torque wrench on that nut. ((clayvis of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page4?t=27701&page=4)) \\
 You can used an open end wrench on the bolt head also. \\
-Also, when looking at the front lower motor mounts from under the bike, the rubber mounts seem to sag downward just a bit. ((GlockDoc of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=28)) \\
+Also, when looking at the front lower motor mounts from under the bike, the rubber mounts seem to sag downward just a bit. ((GlockDoc of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page28?t=27701&page=28)) \\
 This should be somewhat normal as the engine puts downward pressure on the mount when setting. \\
-Both front and rear mounts can sag like this. ((JohnK of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=29)) \\
+Both front and rear mounts can sag like this. ((JohnK of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page29?t=27701&page=29)) \\
 The rears you can't tell from the outside but when you remove the swingarm, you can see the pivot pin is not centered. \\
 You can swap the rear rubbers left to right and the pin will be centered again. \\
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 However, this won't work with front mounts because they are LH and RH parts. \\
-|  Front lower motor mount bolt. ((photo by salukidawg of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=21))  |  1 year old (2011) 1200C front mount sag. ((photo by GlockDoc of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=28))  |
+|  Front lower motor mount bolt. ((photo by salukidawg of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page21?t=27701&page=21))  |  1 year old (2011) 1200C front mount sag. ((photo by GlockDoc of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page28?t=27701&page=28))  |
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-Check the top isolator link mount bolts (the ones that bolt to top of the front head). ((gronk62 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=4)) \\
+Check the top isolator link mount bolts (the ones that bolt to top of the front head). ((gronk62 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page4?t=27701&page=4)) \\
 If they come loose, add some blue Loctite to the threads and re-torque them. \\
 ===== Handlebars =====
-Handle bars are kind of like tuning forks. ((Moved On of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=45811&page=2)) \\
+Handle bars are kind of like tuning forks. ((Moved On of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/27681-nickels-in-the-handlebars/page2?t=45811&page=2)) \\
 They'll have a place that they want to resonate. \\
 To change the resonant frequency one can either lengthen the forks or weight them down. \\
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 These are not a fix to end all problems, but to possibly lesson some of them if you're having excessive vibration problems in the bars. \\
-  * **Inspect / Replace the mounting bushings**: \\ There should be a certain  amount of "play" that the OEM rubber bushings should have when installed. ((Alexintenn of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2005987)) \\ If they are tightened too much, with zero slack in the bushings, the rubber is compressed and you essentially have a rigid mounted bar. \\ The over-compression of the rubber bushings negate the ability of them to help with the vibration. \\ If you loosen the bars enough to have more play, it helps a lot. \\ And, since some use use a bolt which feeds up into the risers, there is no nut on the bottom to loosen. ((RussW of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2005987))
+  * **Inspect / Replace the mounting bushings**: \\ There should be a certain  amount of "play" that the OEM rubber bushings should have when installed. ((Alexintenn of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/188257-handlebar-vibes-solution?t=2005987)) \\ If they are tightened too much, with zero slack in the bushings, the rubber is compressed and you essentially have a rigid mounted bar. \\ The over-compression of the rubber bushings negate the ability of them to help with the vibration. \\ If you loosen the bars enough to have more play, it helps a lot. \\ And, since some use use a bolt which feeds up into the risers, there is no nut on the bottom to loosen. ((RussW of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/188257-handlebar-vibes-solution?t=2005987))
-    * The compression of the bushing is dictated by the thickness of the top clamp and the length of the spacer in the bushings. \\ There are steel caps that cover the bushings. That is your bolt spacer and your torque guide. ((einheit 13 of the XLFORUM  http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2005987)) \\ Those washers are 'shouldered' to wrap around the outside of the bushing. This keeps them from wallowing around. \\ If the bushings are worn out or the washers are deformed-it's a losing battle. \\ You are either gonna have bad vibes or 'rowing' bars.
+    * The compression of the bushing is dictated by the thickness of the top clamp and the length of the spacer in the bushings. \\ There are steel caps that cover the bushings. That is your bolt spacer and your torque guide. ((einheit 13 of the XLFORUM  https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/188257-handlebar-vibes-solution?t=2005987)) \\ Those washers are 'shouldered' to wrap around the outside of the bushing. This keeps them from wallowing around. \\ If the bushings are worn out or the washers are deformed-it's a losing battle. \\ You are either gonna have bad vibes or 'rowing' bars.
     * You put enough pressure on them to compress the collars and stop when you see the washers starting to flex. \\ These washers get deformed from people cranking down on the bolts. \\ If the bolts don't fit snugly in the bushings, you need sleeves. \\ You can do this with some kind of metal tubing, heat shrink tubing, electrical tape, or a larger bolt. \\ Ace Hardware has a pretty good selection of bronze, rubber, and neoprene bushings also.
-  * **You can try and shim the bushings** to get the bolts tight without compressing the bushing too much. ((RussW2 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2005987)) \\ You might try a compression sealing washer from an Evo or other Big Twin spark plug for a shim washer to use on the mounting bolts. \\ You can stack a few of them (two, maybe three per bolt) until you get the right amount of play. \\ Then, torque the bolts to spec and not have the bars feel like they are "solid" rubber mounted.
+  * **You can try and shim the bushings** to get the bolts tight without compressing the bushing too much. ((RussW2 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/188257-handlebar-vibes-solution?t=2005987)) \\ You might try a compression sealing washer from an Evo or other Big Twin spark plug for a shim washer to use on the mounting bolts. \\ You can stack a few of them (two, maybe three per bolt) until you get the right amount of play. \\ Then, torque the bolts to spec and not have the bars feel like they are "solid" rubber mounted.
     *  The bushing shim effectively adds length of the inner sleeve. \\ The shouldered washer then goes over the shims, and you now prevent the over-compression of the rubber bushing. \\ You can torque to spec without distorting the shouldered washers.
-|  Bushing shim ((photo by RussW2 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2005987&page=2))  |
+|  Bushing shim ((photo by RussW2 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/188257-handlebar-vibes-solution/page2?t=2005987&page=2))  |
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   * You can also lesson some vibration in the bars by replacing the stock mounts with polyurethane bushings.
-    * This is a debatable answer however. Some have reported the poly-bushings made the vibes worse. ((Alexintenn of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2005987))
+    * This is a debatable answer however. Some have reported the poly-bushings made the vibes worse. ((Alexintenn of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/188257-handlebar-vibes-solution?t=2005987))
-|  Poly bushings on an 09 1200N. ((photo by IronSportMan of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=25))  |
+|  Poly bushings on an 09 1200N. ((photo by IronSportMan of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/16552-vibration-problem-solved-check-your-front-engine-mount-bolt/page25?t=27701&page=25))  |
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-  * **Adding weight in one form or another the handlebar ends**: \\ With internal weights, fill the bars with enough silicon to fully encase the weight. \\ That way, the weights touch the bars and they harmonize the vibs better. ((flathead45 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=107653))
+  * **Adding weight in one form or another the handlebar ends**: \\ With internal weights, fill the bars with enough silicon to fully encase the weight. \\ That way, the weights touch the bars and they harmonize the vibs better. ((flathead45 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/42228-pennies-in-handlebars?t=107653))
-  - When replacing the grips, you can tape up 2 rolls of pennies (or nickels if they'll fit) and slip one inside each handlebar end. ((Old_Goat57 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=45811))
+  - When replacing the grips, you can tape up 2 rolls of pennies (or nickels if they'll fit) and slip one inside each handlebar end. ((Old_Goat57 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/27681-nickels-in-the-handlebars?t=45811))
-    * Wrap the rolls in electrical tape (making a solid slug) and then a little dab of RTV on each end to glue them into place. ((Moved On of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=45811&page=5))
+    * Wrap the rolls in electrical tape (making a solid slug) and then a little dab of RTV on each end to glue them into place. ((Moved On of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/27681-nickels-in-the-handlebars/page5?t=45811&page=5))
-    * In adding silicone in the hole, then shoving the pennies in, ((Massdog05 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=45811)), the silicone gives cushion between the pennies and the bar. ((Massdog05 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=45811&page=3)) \\ As the bar pushes forward (in the course of vibrating), the pennies try to remain still. \\ The silicone between the bar and pennies compresses and elastically collides with the pennies. \\ This lessens the momentum applied to the pennies, thus lessening the forward movement of the bar. \\ Same for the other direction ----> Equals less of the annoying vibrations.
+    * In adding silicone in the hole, then shoving the pennies in, ((Massdog05 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/27681-nickels-in-the-handlebars?t=45811)), the silicone gives cushion between the pennies and the bar. ((Massdog05 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/27681-nickels-in-the-handlebars/page3?t=45811&page=3)) \\ As the bar pushes forward (in the course of vibrating), the pennies try to remain still. \\ The silicone between the bar and pennies compresses and elastically collides with the pennies. \\ This lessens the momentum applied to the pennies, thus lessening the forward movement of the bar. \\ Same for the other direction ----> Equals less of the annoying vibrations.
     * It should significantly reduce vibration transmitted to the grips while riding. \\ The thing that this trick does to help with the vibrations is to lower the resonant frequency of the bars so that it doesn't buzz your nerves to numbness. \\
-  -  You can wrap the ends of two steel rods with rubber tape until they fit in the bars snugly (not tight). \\ Cover them with silicone / construction adhesive and shove them in the bars until flush. ((Mark1200 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1687153))
+  -  You can wrap the ends of two steel rods with rubber tape until they fit in the bars snugly (not tight). \\ Cover them with silicone / construction adhesive and shove them in the bars until flush. ((Mark1200 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/157642-handlebar-vibration-what-have-yall-done-to-stop-it?t=1687153))
   - You can buy a set of bar end weights.
-    * [[http://www.barsnake.com/|Barsnake]] is a very thick rubber which is installed inside your handlebars to reduce vibration. \\ Available in solid form, or as a liquid which is poured into the bars and then solidifies. ((ron521 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=305328))
+    * [[http://www.barsnake.com/|Barsnake]] is a very thick rubber which is installed inside your handlebars to reduce vibration. \\ Available in solid form, or as a liquid which is poured into the bars and then solidifies. ((ron521 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/57852-bolt-on-vibration-dampers?t=305328))
 ===== Horn =====
 **Symptom**. \\
 Front cylinder noise. \\
-May sound like a noisy lifter or piston slap at certain revs. ((imola461 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=34886)) \\
+May sound like a noisy lifter or piston slap at certain revs. ((imola461 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/21131-loud-front-cylinder-noise?t=34886)) \\
 **Condition**. \\
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-Another source of fuel tank noise is a gas cap that doesn't fit tightly. ((83XLX of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=832376 )) \\
+Another source of fuel tank noise is a gas cap that doesn't fit tightly. ((83XLX of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/98047-ironhead-noise#post2036154)) \\
 You can also push on the tank or the cap while riding to check for noise. \\
 Also, the tank itself will amplify the normal racket when it's near empty, even though it and the cap are tight. \\
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 ===== Oil Tank =====
 **Symptom**: \\
 Rattling noise on the right side of the bike. \\
 **Condition**: \\
-Loose oil tank cover. ((screndname of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5740152#post5740152)) \\
+Loose oil tank cover. ((screndname of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/196416-what%C2%92s-that-sound/page3#post4287421)) \\
 You can glue a piece of rubber to the inside of the cover. \\
 ====== Noises From Loose Objects ======
 ===== Apparel =====
 Any loose snaps or buttons on shirts, jackets etc. will flap around in the wind. \\
 Any of those on or near your helmet can repeatedly slap against it. \\
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 ===== Helmet =====
 The snaps holding the visor on the helmet can slap against it in the wind.
 The metal clasp on the chin strap can also do this if you forget to tighten it. \\
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 ===== Straps / Hold Downs =====
 Secure all straps and hold down cords etc. especially when not in use. \\
 It's best to keep them in a saddlebag or home when not in use. \\
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 During left hand corners, it will scrape the ground. Replacing the spring is pretty simple though. \\
 When you check the side stand spring, be sure to look at the bushings as well (if applicable). They are also a wear item. ((sportsterpaul of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1964704&highlight=noises&page=3)) \\
-Have someone hold the bike up, fold the kickstand up and shake it. There should be almost no movement at the pivot. ((Toejam503 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5699298&highlight=motor+mount+noise#post5699298)) \\
+Have someone hold the bike up, fold the kickstand up and shake it. There should be almost no movement at the pivot. ((Toejam503 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/194787-1986-1987-owners-kickstand-question?highlight=motor+mount+noise#post5699298)) \\
 ====== Shrouded Noises ======
-With a half helmet and no windshield; ((Gone of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=823082)) \\
+With a half helmet and no windshield; ((Gone of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/efi-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2007-and-up/97463-engine-noise?t=823082)) \\
 Up to 60 MPH it sounds like a hundred or two very busy blacksmith shops. \\
 Over 60 it was just the wind. \\
 ===== Windshield =====
 A windshield can direct noises straight at you while riding. \\
 It makes them more pronounced where little things sound a lot worse than they are. \\
 ===== Helmet =====
 Helmet style also plays a part in how much noise you here. \\
 A full helmet covers your ears and will mask 'close' sounds and how loud sounds are in general. \\
 (foam mounted on the inside for sound/heat purposes) \\
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 ===== Exhaust Pipes =====
 Granted, loud exhaust pipes are part of the Harley experience. \\
 However, the louder the pipes are, the harder it is to hear other noises in the engine. \\
 ====== Noises After Dropping the Bike ======
 **Symptoms**: \\
 New noises coming from wheel areas. \\
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 **Conditions**: \\
 Bent rotors: \\
-Rocks / debris stuck between the caliper and rotor (especially on gravel driveways). ((brianbbs67 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1844704&highlight=tire+noise)) \\
+Rocks / debris stuck between the caliper and rotor (especially on gravel driveways). ((brianbbs67 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/172102-so-i-dropped-my-new-bike-and-now?t=1844704&highlight=tire+noise)) \\
-Caliper knocked loose / damaged. ((Dirt Hill of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1844704&highlight=tire+noise)) \\
+Caliper knocked loose / damaged. ((Dirt Hill of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/172102-so-i-dropped-my-new-bike-and-now?t=1844704&highlight=tire+noise)) \\
-Fender rub from bent or tweaked fenders. ((mikeLI_77 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1894772&highlight=wheel+bearing+noise)) \\
+Fender rub from bent or tweaked fenders. ((mikeLI_77 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-tires-wheels-and-brakes-aa/176577-trying-to-identify-a-noise-video-included?t=1894772&highlight=wheel+bearing+noise)) \\
 ====== Electrical Noises ======
+\\
 ===== VOES Switch =====
-The VOES switch makes a chirping sound when it's switching. ((Mojo 5533 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1529681&highlight=stethoscope&page=2)) \\
+The VOES switch makes a chirping sound when it's switching. ((Mojo 5533 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/141144-off-light-throttle-chirping-sound/page2?t=1529681&highlight=stethoscope&page=2)) \\
 This is normal. \\
 ===== Generator Noises =====
 The generator should be 2 or 3 times noisier than the other points. \\
-Generators are notorious for sounding like marbles are clattering around in a bucket. ((fergerburger of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=832376&page=6)) \\
+Generators are notorious for sounding like marbles are clattering around in a bucket. ((fergerburger of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/98047-ironhead-noise/page6?t=832376&page=6)) \\
-New, out of the box, generators are a little loud until they are worn in. ((hcrashster of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5241155&highlight=stethoscope#post5241155)) \\
+New, out of the box, generators are a little loud until they are worn in. ((hcrashster of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/178616-wiring-complete-and-a-new-gennie?highlight=stethoscope#post3818357)) \\
 The bearings, shaft and even the brushes take a few miles to settle down. \\
 Aftermarket generator gear quality is not the highest, or the parent material the gear is machined from for that matter.
-If the generator is suspect, you could take the genny out. ((Fridge of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4875150&highlight=motor+mount+noise#post4875150)) \\
+If the generator is suspect, you could take the genny out. ((Fridge of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/166281-name-that-noise?highlight=motor+mount+noise#post3544045)) \\
 Fab a blank off plate to cover the opening and start it and run it for a very short period of time and see if it goes away. \\
 ====== Engine Noises ======
-Do this before you do anything else, try to locate the noise before you tear it down. ((flflash of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1775548&highlight=loose+motor+mount&page=3)) \\
+Do this before you do anything else, try to locate the noise before you tear it down. ((flflash of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/165035-evo-engine-clatter-please-watch-video/page3?t=1775548&highlight=loose+motor+mount&page=3)) \\
 Determine which side of the engine it's on, then whether its top end, cylinder or crankcase. \\
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 Worn or defective oil pump. \\
-First response, check for piston skirt, or perhaps lifter damage. ((Dave1200s of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3188980&highlight=stethoscope#post3188980)) \\
+First response, check for piston skirt, or perhaps lifter damage. ((Dave1200s of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/113369-ran-oil-low-and-now-clacking-sound?highlight=stethoscope#post2380434)) \\
 The lifter rollers will survive on oil mist, except maybe under sustained maximal rpm where the oil provides a bit of cooling. \\
-If the bike sits for a long period of time, the oil may settle at the bottom of the engine. ((mikeLI_77 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3722)) \\
+If the bike sits for a long period of time, the oil may settle at the bottom of the engine. ((mikeLI_77 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/2512-motor-noise?t=3722)) \\
 This may leave the top end with not much oil at all. \\
 The valves and / or lifters could make some noise until the oil pushes them back up. \\
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 **Conditions**: \\
-Split, leaking, missing or obstructed vacuum lines on any of the vacuum operated devices and respective hoses. ((BeezrGeezr of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1819997&highlight=stethoscope&page=2)) \\
+Split, leaking, missing or obstructed vacuum lines on any of the vacuum operated devices and respective hoses. ((BeezrGeezr of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/169618-strange-noise-coming-from-somewhere-near-carb/page2?t=1819997&highlight=stethoscope&page=2)) \\
+Visually inspect lines and vacuum operated devices. ((BeezrGeezr of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/169618-strange-noise-coming-from-somewhere-near-carb/page2?t=1819997&highlight=stethoscope&page=2)) \\
-Visually inspect lines and vacuum operated devices. ((BeezrGeezr of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1819997&highlight=stethoscope&page=2)) \\
 Also inspect any rubber fittings or caps for cracks or splits (especially around Voes or Map sensors, if applicable). \\
 You can use a stethoscope to probe any of these areas also. \\
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 ===== Knock / Ping / Detonation =====
+Overheating can be caused by poor octane fuel (knocking/pinging). ((jessearias of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/124708-loud-tapping-front-cyl-exhaust-note-change-help?highlight=stethoscope#post2615797)) \\
-Overheating can be caused by poor octane fuel (knocking/pinging). ((jessearias of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3539328&highlight=stethoscope#post3539328)) \\
 It does not have to be audibly pinging to be causing damage. \\
 When it gets to the point where you can hear it, it is pretty severe. \\
 But, the subtle detonation you do not or barely hear that tears the motor up. \\
-Detonation can and will put a hole in a piston and/or scorch valve landings. ((bitpusher of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3539328&highlight=stethoscope#post3539328)) \\
+Detonation can and will put a hole in a piston and/or scorch valve landings. ((bitpusher of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/124708-loud-tapping-front-cyl-exhaust-note-change-help?highlight=stethoscope#post2615797)) \\
-It is also most likely to cause damage to the ring landings. ((steelworker of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3539328&highlight=stethoscope#post3539328)) \\
+It is also most likely to cause damage to the ring landings. ((steelworker of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/124708-loud-tapping-front-cyl-exhaust-note-change-help?highlight=stethoscope#post2615797)) \\
 **Symptoms**: \\
 Sounds like a little gnome inside the cylinder tapping the sides with a little hammer. \\
-It's also akin to sounds of marbles in your cylinder. ((Benton of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1575186&highlight=stethoscope&page=3)) \\
+It's also akin to sounds of marbles in your cylinder. ((Benton of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/145132-86-sportster-top-end-ticking-please-help/page3?t=1575186&highlight=stethoscope&page=3)) \\
-Detonation sounds (and feels) nothing like valve train noise, normal or oil starved. ((bitpusher of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1510117&page=2)) \\
+Detonation sounds (and feels) nothing like valve train noise, normal or oil starved. ((bitpusher of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-engine-conversions/139164-more-upper-mechanical-noise-as-engine-gets-hot/page2?t=1510117&page=2)) \\
 A low level knock coming from the cylinders, most noticeable at idle.
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 Conversions that are not compatible.
-Try draining the carb and adding some octane boost to the tank. If the noise goes away, it's detonation. ((jazzman of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1575186&highlight=stethoscope&page=3)) \\
+Try draining the carb and adding some octane boost to the tank. If the noise goes away, it's detonation. ((jazzman of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/145132-86-sportster-top-end-ticking-please-help/page3?t=1575186&highlight=stethoscope&page=3)) \\
 If not, check your timing. It may be too advanced. \\
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-|This piston is just about to break from too much \\ cylinder pressure. This is from a race motor using \\ Nitromethane ((photo by aswracing of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=616889))|Broken piston from detonation. \\ (883/1200 conversion) ((photo by thatdirtykid of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=616889&highlight=stethoscope))|
+|This piston is just about to break from too much \\ cylinder pressure. This is from a race motor using \\ Nitromethane ((photo by aswracing of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/82885-piston-problems-pics?t=616889))|Broken piston from detonation. \\ (883/1200 conversion) ((photo by thatdirtykid of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/82885-piston-problems-pics?t=616889&highlight=stethoscope))|
 |{{techtalk:ref:svcproc:ringland_failure_by_aswracing.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:svcproc:detonated_piston_by_thatdirtykid.jpg?direct&300|}}|
 ===== Backfire =====
+Backfiring through the carb is almost always a timing issue. ((doodah man of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/196329-busted-oil-line-now-popping-back-firing#post4285313)) \\
-Backfiring through the carb is almost always a timing issue. ((doodah man of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5737892#post5737892)) \\
 Backfiring through the exhaust pipes is almost always an issue with leaking O-rings on the manifold. \\
 ===== Noise Cadence or Rhythm =====
+The cadence (timing) of noises can give clues to what part of the engine to inspect. ((Ferrous Head of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/107497-using-a-stethoscope-to-listen-to-the-engine/page4?t=977525&page=4)) \\
-The cadence (timing) of noises can give clues to what part of the engine to inspect. ((Ferrous Head of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=977525&page=4)) \\
 Listen to the timing of the noises. \\
 Some things happen at what can be deemed as "full time" while others happen at "half time" or "quarter time". \\
@@ Line 421: / Line 401: @@
   * Noise at every two crankshaft revolutions could lend to cam, cam bushing, lifter or valve train problems.
-If need be, you could run a stopwatch and count the number of times you here the noise in a minute. ((wedge of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1535961&highlight=stethoscope&page=5)) \\
+If need be, you could run a stopwatch and count the number of times you here the noise in a minute. ((wedge of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/141782-engine-noise-i-m-stumped/page5?t=1535961&highlight=stethoscope&page=5)) \\
 Then compare that to crankshaft rpm to find the actual rhythm of the noise. \\
-===== Rocker Box =====
+===== Rocker Box =====
 **Symptoms**. \\
 Ticking or tapping sound. \\
@@ Line 442: / Line 422: @@
 **Condition**: \\
-Bad umbrella valves. ((rejeanprimeau of the XLFORUM  http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1822701&highlight=stethoscope&page=4))
+Bad umbrella valves. ((rejeanprimeau of the XLFORUM  https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/169843-whine-chirping-sound-like-a-bird-in-my-intake-or-carb/page4?t=1822701&highlight=stethoscope&page=4))
 ===== Heads =====
 **Symptoms**: \\
-A whine and chirping sound like a bird in the intake or carb. ((conv90 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1822701&highlight=stethoscope)) \\
+A whine and chirping sound like a bird in the intake or carb. ((conv90 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/169843-whine-chirping-sound-like-a-bird-in-my-intake-or-carb?t=1822701&highlight=stethoscope)) \\
 **Condition**: \\
@@ Line 456: / Line 435: @@
 **Symptom**: \\
-Clanking at the head / cylinder joint. ((rottenralph of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1120515&highlight=stethoscope&page=2)) \\
+Clanking at the head / cylinder joint. ((rottenralph of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/116484-how-long-should-it-take-to-pump-oil-to-rocker-boxs/page2?t=1120515&highlight=stethoscope&page=2)) \\
 **Condition**: \\
 Loose head bolt. \\
 ===== Pistons =====
@@ Line 467: / Line 445: @@
 **Condition**: \\
-  * Piston slap is usually caused from too little piston to valve clearance where the valve(s) end up hitting the top of the piston. It can be a slight tap or a hard knock depending on how little clearance between the piston and valve affected.
+  * Piston slap is usually caused from too little piston to valve clearance where the valve(s) end up hitting the top of the piston. \\ It can be a slight tap or a hard knock depending on how little clearance between the piston and valve affected.
   * It is also possible for the piston to hit the head(s) in the wrong circumstances and cause a tap or knocking noise. \\
@@ Line 475: / Line 453: @@
     * The force from impact of piston to valve contact can be transferred through the rocker arm to pushrod→cam (and bearings/bushings)→pinion shaft gear→beyond.
       * On 88-up models, the weakest link may be the woodruff key on the pinion shaft that can shear from impact.
-    * Impact can  damage the valve guide which can lead to oil gunk on the valve stem.Upon cold startup, the gunked up oil on the stem locks it in place. ((BlackBikeDave of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1877254&highlight=noises&page=4)) \\
+    * Impact can  damage the valve guide which can lead to oil gunk on the valve stem.Upon cold startup, the gunked up oil on the stem locks it in place. ((BlackBikeDave of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/174956-loud-clanking-on-startup/page4?t=1877254&highlight=noises&page=4)) \\
   * From piston to head impact:
     * Possible cracked head or busted piston / rings, increased heat etc. \\
@@ Line 483: / Line 461: @@
     * Can be caused from cams being installed out of time.
     * Can be caused from too long of pushrods or adjustable pushrods out of adjustment (being too long) especially after installing high lifts cams.
-    * Also, a spun pinion gear (88-up) will set your timing off and both intake and exhaust valves can hit the pistons and bend valves and pushrods. ((wedge of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1877254&highlight=noises&page=3))
+    * Also, a spun pinion gear (88-up) will set your timing off and both intake and exhaust valves can hit the pistons and bend valves and pushrods. ((wedge of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/174956-loud-clanking-on-startup/page3?t=1877254&highlight=noises&page=3))
       * A spun pinion gear is usually caused from the woodruff key shearing and the pinion gear turned off it's timing mark, throwing the cams out of time.
     * Can be caused by worn/damaged rod bearings or flywheels out of true. \\
-    * Testing: Place a stethoscope on the exhaust flange to listen for piston slap. ((wedge of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5730989&highlight=listen#post5730989)) \\ If it is piston to valve contact, it will most likely show up on the exhaust flange. \\ You would need to touch the stethoscope probe directly to the flange. You can also test the intake port. \\
+    * Testing: Place a stethoscope on the exhaust flange to listen for piston slap. ((wedge of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/196070-knocking-noise-in-front-cylinder?highlight=listen#post4276290)) \\ If it is piston to valve contact, it will most likely show up on the exhaust flange. \\ You would need to touch the stethoscope probe directly to the flange. You can also test the intake port. \\
   * From piston to head impact:
     * Can be caused by worn/damaged rod bearings or flywheels out of true.
-    * Can be caused from using a flywheel assembly from a previously destroyed engine without inspecting rod bearings and runout.
+    * Can be caused from improper installation. \\ Using a flywheel assembly from a previously destroyed engine without inspecting rod bearings and runout. \\ Always rotate the crank while the jugs are off and check for smooth feel and check up and down play in the rods. \\ It helps to have a quiet atmosphere. Dump oil on the bearings and listen all the way around in neutral. \\ Then spin it over by hand in before buttoning up. You can check the squish band dim with solder.
-    * Also, if the squish band has a layer of soot thick enough to touch the piston, it'll make piston slap noises. ((norseXL of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1575186&highlight=stethoscope&page=2))
+    * Also, if the squish band has a layer of soot thick enough to touch the piston, it'll make piston slap noises. ((norseXL of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/145132-86-sportster-top-end-ticking-please-help/page2?t=1575186&highlight=stethoscope&page=2))
 In the video below, the flywheel assembly from previous engine damage was used WITHOUT inspecting further damage to the assembly. \\
 While the exact cause is not known on the new build, you can hear the piston making contact with the head in the video. \\
-|  Short video (L) and Pics of a 2000 Sportster with rear piston hitting the head. ((video and photos courtesy of groovemeisterus of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2079724&page=5))  |||
+|  Short video (L) and Pics of a 2000 Sportster with rear piston hitting the head. ((video and photos courtesy of groovemeisterus of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/202540-reasons-why-new-piston-rings-would-seize-in-fresh-rebuild/page5?t=2079724&page=5))  |||
 |{{:video:piston_slap_on_2000_sportster_by_groovemeisterus.mp4|}}| {{:techtalk:ref:genmsr:piston_slap_-_piston_to_head_contact_pic1_by_groovemeisterus.jpg?direct&280|}}| {{:techtalk:ref:genmsr:piston_slap_-_piston_to_head_contact_pic2_by_groovemeisterus.jpg?direct&280|}}|
-|  Light witness marks from piston contact with valve. ((photos by BlackBikeDave of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1877254&highlight=noises&page=4))  |||
+|  Light witness marks from piston contact with valve. ((photos by BlackBikeDave of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/174956-loud-clanking-on-startup/page4?t=1877254&highlight=noises&page=4))  |||
 |{{:techtalk:ref:genmsr:piston_slap_1_by_blackbikedave.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:genmsr:piston_slap_2_by_blackbikedave.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:genmsr:piston_slap_5_by_blackbikedave.jpg?direct&300|}}|
-|  Heavy witness marks from piston contact with valve. ((photos by 04xl1200c of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1836174))  |||
+|  Heavy witness marks from piston contact with valve. ((photos by 04xl1200c of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/171129-04-1200c-40k-mi-engine-failure?t=1836174))  |||
 |{{:techtalk:ref:genmsr:piston_slap_2_by_04xl1200c.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:genmsr:piston_slap_1_by_04xl1200c.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:genmsr:piston_slap_3_by_04xl1200c.jpg?direct&300|}}|
+\\
 **Symptoms**: \\
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 **Conditions**: \\
-A mis-aligned crankshaft can result in piston skirt slapping at the case opening. ((rejeanprimeau of the XLFORUM  http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1535961&highlight=stethoscope)) \\
+A mis-aligned crankshaft can result in piston skirt slapping at the case opening. ((rejeanprimeau of the XLFORUM  https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/141782-engine-noise-i-m-stumped?t=1535961&highlight=stethoscope)) \\
-Bearing issue: Knocking really beats the pistons, rings and bearings up. ((jessearias of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3539328&highlight=stethoscope#post3539328)) \\
+Bearing issue: Knocking really beats the pistons, rings and bearings up. ((jessearias of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/124708-loud-tapping-front-cyl-exhaust-note-change-help?highlight=stethoscope#post2615797)) \\
 You may have beat a rod bearing into submission. \\
 Typically, stock crank pins and rod bearings are the weakest point in a sportster lower end. \\
 ===== Connecting Rods / Crankshaft / Flywheels =====
+Connecting rod bearing failures generally exhibit noise, visible clearance indications, piston to valve contact, and/or secondary damage in the form of a high levels of steel debris circulating through the engine. Verify that one or more of these symptoms is present and quantified prior to attempting to qualify the rod bearing condition. ((HD Tech Article TA0023 dated 4-27-2018)) \\
 **Symptoms**: \\
-A loud rod rapping sound up top. ((smokenjoep01 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3928178&highlight=stethoscope#post3928178)) \\
+A loud rod rapping sound up top. ((smokenjoep01 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3928178&highlight=stethoscope#post3928178)) It also may have a whirling sound. \\
-It also may have a whirling sound. \\
+It may sound like the noise is half the speed of the engine RPM (if counting both cylinder lopes). But it's actually at 1 revolution speed. \\
-It may sound like the noise is half the speed of the engine RPM (if counting both cylinder lopes). \\
-But it's actually at 1 revolution speed. \\
 Rod noise should be loudest when the engine is floating (not accelerating and not decelerating)as in cruising down the highway. ((milmat1 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1902363&highlight=stethoscope#post1902363)) \\
 That's when the rods have the least pressure holding them against the bearing surface. \\
-Check the piston pin fit.
-**Condition**:
+**Condition**: Wrist pin bushing failure. \\
-Wrist pin bushing failure. \\
+**Verification**: Remove the wrist pins and check pin to bushing clearance and also roundness of bushing itself. \\
+**Condition**: Rod bearing failure. \\
+**Verification**: Check for up and down movement of each rod at several points of it's rotation. \\
+Removing the pistons and grabbing each rod bypasses the error factor of piston side play. \\
+Also, you can hold the rod just under the piston with one hand like choking a chicken and pull up on it. ((wedge of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5916266#post5916266)) \\
+Then use your other hand in a fist to hit the top of piston like a hammer action. A bad crank will make a very loud knocking sound as you do it. \\
+Henceforth known as the "Wedge Test". \\
+In the (L) video below, you can hear the rapping at 1:1 engine speed. \\
+The (R) video is a bearing test as described by XLForum member "wedge" and performed by XLForum member "onadraw". \\
+|  Video: Lower front rod bearing failure ((video by onadraw of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5970640#post5970640))  |  Video: The "Wedge Test" for bearing failure. ((video by onadraw of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5970640#post5970640))  |
+|{{ :video:connecting_rod_noise_-_rapping_lower_front_rod_by_onadraw.mp4 |}}|{{ :video:connecting_rod_noise_-_testing_lower_rod_bearings_by_onadraw.mp4 |}}|
+\\
 **Symptom**: \\
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 Engine shakes bad enough to tear up some parts. \\
-**Condition**: \\
+**Condition**: Flywheels are out of true. This can crack the cases in short order. ((mrmom9r of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4610630&highlight=motor+mount+noise#post4610630)) \\
-Flywheels are out of true. This can crack the cases in short order. ((mrmom9r of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4610630&highlight=motor+mount+noise#post4610630)) \\
 If fly wheels were out of balance, it'd vibrate like hell all the time even sitting still just raising the rpm's. ((ezmerf of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4610630&highlight=motor+mount+noise#post4610630)) \\
+**Verification**: Check pinion shaft runout. \\
@@ Line 660: / Line 652: @@
 The primary is a big hollow chamber and it will amplify any noise coming from anywhere in the engine. ((KevinJ of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3399889&highlight=stethoscope#post3399889)) \\
-Primary Chain: \\
+  * **Symptom: Whining or Chirping Noise** \\ A primary chain that's adjusted too tight can make a whining or chirping noise. Reportedly, the chirping noise can come on after some full throttle and hard shifting when the primary chain is too tight / bike hot. ((Gcram399 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1529681&highlight=stethoscope&page=2)) \\ **Condition: Chain out of adjustment** \\ One method of adjusting a tight primary chain: With the bike hot and running in neutral, loosen the nut, turn the adjuster in until it starts to whine, then back it off 1/4 turn. ((wedge of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1529681&highlight=stethoscope)) Then ride it and make sure it's not whining any longer. \\
-**Symptoms**: \\
+  * **Symptom: Rattling noise**. \\ A rattle that you cannot adjust out is a sign of a stretched chain. ((bitpusher of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1178157&highlight=stethoscope&page=2)). If your primary chain is too tight, that can cause a vibration that is felt in the pegs. ((semjpm of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=27)) \\ **Condition: Stretched Chain**
-A primary chain that's adjusted too tight can make a whining or chirping noise. \\
+  * **Symptom: Rattling or Squeaking Noise**. \\ The sprocket nut can work loose and the noise is from the rotor eating itself up on the crank splines. If it's bad enough, it can end up breaking the end of the crankshaft off. ((JstColli of the XLFORUM  http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3399889&highlight=stethoscope#post3399889)) \\ **Condition: Loose sprocket nut**.  \\
-Reportedly, the chirping noise can come on after some full throttle and hard shifting when the primary chain is too tight / bike hot. ((Gcram399 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1529681&highlight=stethoscope&page=2)) \\
+  * **Symptom: Squeaking Noise**. \\ A squeaking noise seemingly from the area of the generator. ((jmmarks70 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1786179&highlight=motor+mount+noise&page=2)) \\ **Condition: Loose / damaged chain adjuster**.
-Rattling noise. \\
-A rattle that you cannot adjust out is a sign of a stretched chain. ((bitpusher of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1178157&highlight=stethoscope&page=2)) \\
-If your primary chain is too tight, that can cause a vibration that is felt in the pegs. ((semjpm of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27701&page=27)) \\
-**Condition**: \\
+|  75 primary adjuster damage. ((photos by jmmarks70 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1786179&highlight=motor+mount+noise))  |||
-Chain out of adjustment. \\
+|{{:techtalk:ref:genmsr:75_primary_adjuster_damage_1_by_jmmarks70.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:genmsr:75_primary_adjuster_damage_2_by_jmmarks70.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:genmsr:75_primary_adjuster_damage_3_by_jmmarks70.jpg?direct&230|}}|
-One method of adjusting a tight primary chain: ((wedge of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1529681&highlight=stethoscope)) \\
+\\
-With the bike hot and running in neutral, loosen the nut, turn the adjuster in until it starts to whine, then back it off 1/4 turn. \\
-Then ride it and make sure it's not whining any longer. \\
-Sprocket Nut: \\
+  * **Symptom: Rattling Noise**. \\ Conv90 submitted video of noise from the primary side: \\
+{{:video:buell_noise_video_by_conv90.mp4|}}
-**Symptom**: \\
+  * **Symptom: Rattling Noise**. \\ The tensioner shoe can be loose and rock side to side enough to sound like a lifter problem. It will rock fore and aft into the primary cover. \\ From the cam side of the bike, it'll sound like it's a lifter bouncing around. It's a slow intermittent hollow banging noise. It may only make noise at idle when the chain is least tight. \\
-Rattling noise. \\
+    * **Condition: Loose Primary Chain Adjuster Shoe**. \\ Below is a short video by Conv90 of the XLFORUM showing the hollow noise created.
-**Condition**: \\
+{{:video:primary_chain_adjuster_shoe_noise_by_conv90.mp4|}}
-Loose sprocket nut. ((JstColli of the XLFORUM  http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3399889&highlight=stethoscope#post3399889)) \\
-The sprocket nut can work loose and the noise is from the rotor eating itself up on the crank splines. \\
+\\
-If it's bad enough, it can end up breaking the end of the crankshaft off. \\
-**Symptom**: \\
+  * **Symptom: An extra and constant noise inside of the primary case**. \\ An extra and constant noise inside of the primary case (even / after adjustment of the primary chain adjuster). ((Spor-T-1 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=29865)) \\ **Condition: Loose compensator nut / flywheel sprocket shaft nut**. \\ Once the sprocket on that shaft gets loose enough, it will chew the end of your fly wheel. ((dodgenbullets of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=29865)) If this is the case your motor must come out and the cases split to fix it. \\
-Squeaking noise seemingly from the area of the generator. ((jmmarks70 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1786179&highlight=motor+mount+noise&page=2)) \\
-**Condition**: \\
-Loose / damaged chain adjuster. \\
-|  75 primary adjuster damage. ((photos by jmmarks70 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1786179&highlight=motor+mount+noise))  |||
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-**Symptom**: \\
-An extra and  constant noise inside of the primary case (even / after adjustment of the primary chain adjuster). ((Spor-T-1 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=29865)) \\
-**Condition**: \\
-Loose compensator nut / flywheel sprocket shaft nut. \\
-Once the sprocket on that shaft gets loose enough, it will chew the end of your fly wheel. ((dodgenbullets of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=29865)) \\
-If this is the case your motor must come out and the cases split to fix it. \\
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