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hippysmack [Make your own scavenger kit]
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 ====== Performing a Scavenging Oil Change ​ ====== ====== Performing a Scavenging Oil Change ​ ======
 When draining oil from the oil tank, all of the oil will not return to the tank. \\ When draining oil from the oil tank, all of the oil will not return to the tank. \\
-There is a certain amount that will stay in the engine and mix with the new oil after an oil regular oil change. \\+There is a certain amount that will stay in the engine and mix with the new oil after regular oil change. \\
 When doing an oil change per the FSM; \\ When doing an oil change per the FSM; \\
 There is oil left in the pump, in the feed hose to pump and filter, in the passages after the filter, in the sump that wasn't pumped out and in the return line to the tank. ((LuxBlue of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=2)) There is oil left in the pump, in the feed hose to pump and filter, in the passages after the filter, in the sump that wasn't pumped out and in the return line to the tank. ((LuxBlue of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=2))
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 This will also dilute the new oil to an extent. \\ This will also dilute the new oil to an extent. \\
  
-|The Evo case drain doesn'​t actually enter the sump ((photo by Steelworker of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=1520811&​highlight=oil+pump&​page=3 as annotated by Hippysmack))|This is how much used oil that could be hiding in \\ the sump / lines (24oz in this case). ((photo by LuxBlue of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=1092007))|+|The Evo case drain doesn'​t actually enter the sump ((photo by Steelworker of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/buell-motorcycle-forum/​buell-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/​140238-96-buell-s1-engine-problems-need-help/​page3?​t=1520811&​highlight=oil+pump&​page=3 as annotated by Hippysmack))|This is how much used oil that could be hiding in \\ the sump / lines (24oz in this case). ((photo by LuxBlue of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​lubrication-and-lubricants/​114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today?​t=1092007))|
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 +|  1.3 quarts in this case. ((photo by 04xl1200c of the XLFORUM https://​www.xlforum.net/​forum/​sportster-motorcycle-forum/​lubrication-and-lubricants/​114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/​page15?​t=1092007&​page=15)) ​ |
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 Some would prefer that all of the used oil be removed during an oil change. \\ Some would prefer that all of the used oil be removed during an oil change. \\
 Below are some ideas on how to accomplish this. \\ Below are some ideas on how to accomplish this. \\
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 ====== Scavenge by Removing the Oil Return Hose ====== ====== Scavenge by Removing the Oil Return Hose ======
 The easiest way would be to disconnect the return oil line from the tank to and spin the engine / oil pump and let the remaining used oil collect into a container. \\ The easiest way would be to disconnect the return oil line from the tank to and spin the engine / oil pump and let the remaining used oil collect into a container. \\
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   - The oil line should be between the two marks on the stick. Add oil if necessary. ​   - The oil line should be between the two marks on the stick. Add oil if necessary. ​
  
 +|Remove the return line from the tank \\ Add a fitting and hose extension to a container. ((photo by Patton1970 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=23))|
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-====== Scavenge by Using a "Puck" ​======+====== Scavenge by Using a Puck ======
 ===== Rogue Chopper Sportster Scavenger Kit  ===== ===== Rogue Chopper Sportster Scavenger Kit  =====
  
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 You don't have to install the drain line and tee on the 09 version (not included) but instead you just disconnect the scavenge hose from the tank. ((Tater of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=5)) \\ You don't have to install the drain line and tee on the 09 version (not included) but instead you just disconnect the scavenge hose from the tank. ((Tater of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=5)) \\
 All the puck does is provide a straight through route to flow the oil without filtering. ((LuxBlue of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007)) \\ All the puck does is provide a straight through route to flow the oil without filtering. ((LuxBlue of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007)) \\
 +The reason for the puck is that there'​s old oil and crud still left in the old filter that will be pushed ahead of the clean oil to the engine. \\
 +The theory is "Why push it through when you can get rid of it there?"​ \\
 +It's just a more thorough oil change by using the puck or a reasonable facsimile thereof. ((LuxBlue of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=14)) \\
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 If you could somehow gut a filter it would do the same thing. \\ If you could somehow gut a filter it would do the same thing. \\
 The puck is nice though, made from billet aluminum but all in all it's only a tool. \\ The puck is nice though, made from billet aluminum but all in all it's only a tool. \\
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 Wait till you get clean oil out of the hose off the '​T'​ fitting (make sure you have oil in the tank). \\ Wait till you get clean oil out of the hose off the '​T'​ fitting (make sure you have oil in the tank). \\
 Then shut off the scoot, remove the puck, plug the scavenge and top off the oil tank. \\ Then shut off the scoot, remove the puck, plug the scavenge and top off the oil tank. \\
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 +The purpose of the tee is so you don't have to cut the factory crimped clamp at the tank. ((patrickd of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=19)) \\
 +Also, with the tee you can have the scavenge drain routed down behind the primary out of the way with the tank drain hose. \\
 +The clamp on the return line used on the tank side is to clamp off the return line downstream of the tee fitting to prevent any scavenge oil from returning to the tank. \\
  
 It wasn't necessary to take off the rear exhaust like their video instructions tell you to do. \\ It wasn't necessary to take off the rear exhaust like their video instructions tell you to do. \\
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 It doesn'​t take too long to pump out a quart so the oil in our bikes circulates pretty quickly, especially at higher rpms. \\ It doesn'​t take too long to pump out a quart so the oil in our bikes circulates pretty quickly, especially at higher rpms. \\
  
-|  Rogue Chopper Sportster Scavenger Kit ((photos by tater of the XLFORUM ))  |||+|  Rogue Chopper Sportster Scavenger Kit ((photos by tater of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=10))  |||
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-|  Fitting at tank swapped out. ((photos by tater of the XLFORUM ))  ||  Tee fitting comes with the kit. ((photo by LuxBlue of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007)) ​ |+|  Fitting at tank swapped out. ((photos by tater of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=10))  ||  Tee fitting comes with the kit. ((photo by LuxBlue of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007)) ​ |
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 This works the same as above with the exception of installing an inline tee in the return hose to the tank. \\ This works the same as above with the exception of installing an inline tee in the return hose to the tank. \\
 Simply pinch off the hose on the tank side of the tee to allow the scavenged oil to empty into a container through the tee'd off hose. \\ Simply pinch off the hose on the tank side of the tee to allow the scavenged oil to empty into a container through the tee'd off hose. \\
 +The 79 models didn't come factory with an external oil filter. \\
 +But an optional kit was available for conversion. Likewise, the diagrams below reflect 79's both with and without an external filter. \\
  
-|  ​Pre-86 scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=18,​ further annotation by Hippysmack)) ​ |  ​86-90 scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=18,​ further annotation by Hippysmack)) ​ |  ​91 and up scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=18,​ further annotation by Hippysmack)) ​ | +|  ​57-76 scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=18,​ further annotation by Hippysmack)) ​ |  ​77-79 scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=18,​ further annotation by Hippysmack)) ​ |  ​79-85 scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=18,​ further annotation by Hippysmack)) ​ | 
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 +|  86-90 scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=18,​ further annotation by Hippysmack)) ​ |  91 and up scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=18,​ further annotation by Hippysmack)) ​ |
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 ===== Make your own scavenger kit ===== ===== Make your own scavenger kit =====
 You can get a couple of fittings for the inlet and outlet for hose and loop the hose basically from one hole to the other. ((ElectricCityIron of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=8)) \\ You can get a couple of fittings for the inlet and outlet for hose and loop the hose basically from one hole to the other. ((ElectricCityIron of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=8)) \\
-Then install a tee in the return hose. \\+Then install a tee in the return hose. Whole setup was about $15. \\
  
 |  Derale Spin-On Adapter with Dual 1/2" NPT ports ((https://​www.jegs.com/​i/​Derale/​259/​15703/​10002/​-1)) ((photos by ElectricCityIron of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=10)) ​ || |  Derale Spin-On Adapter with Dual 1/2" NPT ports ((https://​www.jegs.com/​i/​Derale/​259/​15703/​10002/​-1)) ((photos by ElectricCityIron of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=10)) ​ ||
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 +===== Another Version of the Puck =====
 +Take one of these filter adapters and drill a hole straight across the port boss and then just plug the three holes. ((bitpusher of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=13)) \\
 +If you just plug the two holes on the outside, there would be no flow. \\
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 +This one has a 3/16" hole drilled between the two cavities. \\
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 +|Working from the inside, drill a hole between the two channels. Capped and drilled. ((photos by DaytonaSportster of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=13)) ​ ||
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 +|  Then use a Dremil tool to smooth out the cutting. ((photos by DaytonaSportster of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1092007&​page=13)) ​ ||
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