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| There is a certain amount that will stay in the engine and mix with the new oil after a regular oil change. \\ | There is a certain amount that will stay in the engine and mix with the new oil after a regular oil change. \\ | ||
| When doing an oil change per the FSM; \\ | When doing an oil change per the FSM; \\ | ||
| - | There is oil left in the pump, in the feed hose to pump and filter, in the passages after the filter, in the sump that wasn't pumped out and in the return line to the tank. ((LuxBlue of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=2)) | + | There is oil left in the pump, in the feed hose to pump and filter, in the passages after the filter, in the sump that wasn't pumped out and in the return line to the tank. ((LuxBlue of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page2?t=1092007&page=2)) |
| By scavenging the system you get the cumulative total of the oil forced out of the engine. \\ | By scavenging the system you get the cumulative total of the oil forced out of the engine. \\ | ||
| At most there's a tiny bit left in the return hose where you remove or pinch it off and the tank......maybe an ounce. \\ | At most there's a tiny bit left in the return hose where you remove or pinch it off and the tank......maybe an ounce. \\ | ||
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| This will also dilute the new oil to an extent. \\ | This will also dilute the new oil to an extent. \\ | ||
| - | |The Evo case drain doesn't actually enter the sump ((photo by Steelworker of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1520811&highlight=oil+pump&page=3 as annotated by Hippysmack))|This is how much used oil that could be hiding in \\ the sump / lines (24oz in this case). ((photo by LuxBlue of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007))| | + | |The Evo case drain doesn't actually enter the sump ((photo by Steelworker of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/buell-motorcycle-forum/buell-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/140238-96-buell-s1-engine-problems-need-help/page3?t=1520811&highlight=oil+pump&page=3 as annotated by Hippysmack))|This is how much used oil that could be hiding in \\ the sump / lines (24oz in this case). ((photo by LuxBlue of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today?t=1092007))| |
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| - | | 1.3 quarts in this case. ((photo by 04xl1200c of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=15)) | | + | | 1.3 quarts in this case. ((photo by 04xl1200c of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page15?t=1092007&page=15)) | |
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| - | - Drain the old oil from the tank using the drain hose as usual. ((rejeanprimeau of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1468246&page=2)) | + | - Drain the old oil from the tank using the drain hose as usual. ((rejeanprimeau of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/efi-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2007-and-up/135607-noobie-oil-change-question/page2?t=1468246&page=2)) |
| - Install the plug on the end of the hose and add two quarts of your favorite oil to the tank. | - Install the plug on the end of the hose and add two quarts of your favorite oil to the tank. | ||
| - Remove the return line from the oil tank (be careful not to break the connectors on plastic oil tanks). | - Remove the return line from the oil tank (be careful not to break the connectors on plastic oil tanks). | ||
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| - The oil line should be between the two marks on the stick. Add oil if necessary. | - The oil line should be between the two marks on the stick. Add oil if necessary. | ||
| - | |Remove the return line from the tank \\ Add a fitting and hose extension to a container. ((photo by Patton1970 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=23))| | + | |Remove the return line from the tank \\ Add a fitting and hose extension to a container. ((photo by Patton1970 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page23?t=1092007&page=23))| |
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| ====== Scavenge by Using a Puck ====== | ====== Scavenge by Using a Puck ====== | ||
| ===== Rogue Chopper Sportster Scavenger Kit ===== | ===== Rogue Chopper Sportster Scavenger Kit ===== | ||
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| The Rogue Chopper site sells an [[https://roguechopper.com/products/sportster-scavenger-kit|oil scavenger system for 2004 - 2009 Sportsters (except the XR1200)]]. \\ | The Rogue Chopper site sells an [[https://roguechopper.com/products/sportster-scavenger-kit|oil scavenger system for 2004 - 2009 Sportsters (except the XR1200)]]. \\ | ||
| This kit will also work with 86 models. The filter adapter has the same threads from 86 and up. \\ | This kit will also work with 86 models. The filter adapter has the same threads from 86 and up. \\ | ||
| - | Reported, they have an '88 - '08 version also ($89.95 plus shipping). ((LuxBlue of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=5)) \\ | + | Reported, they have an '88 - '08 version also ($89.95 plus shipping). ((LuxBlue of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page5?t=1092007&page=5)) \\ |
| Cost is currently $69.95 plus shipping for the 09 and up version. \\ | Cost is currently $69.95 plus shipping for the 09 and up version. \\ | ||
| - | You don't have to install the drain line and tee on the 09 version (not included) but instead you just disconnect the scavenge hose from the tank. ((Tater of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=5)) \\ | + | You don't have to install the drain line and tee on the 09 version (not included) but instead you just disconnect the scavenge hose from the tank. ((Tater of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page5?t=1092007&page=5)) \\ |
| - | All the puck does is provide a straight through route to flow the oil without filtering. ((LuxBlue of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007)) \\ | + | All the puck does is provide a straight through route to flow the oil without filtering. ((LuxBlue of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today?t=1092007)) \\ |
| The reason for the puck is that there's old oil and crud still left in the old filter that will be pushed ahead of the clean oil to the engine. \\ | The reason for the puck is that there's old oil and crud still left in the old filter that will be pushed ahead of the clean oil to the engine. \\ | ||
| The theory is "Why push it through when you can get rid of it there?" \\ | The theory is "Why push it through when you can get rid of it there?" \\ | ||
| - | It's just a more thorough oil change by using the puck or a reasonable facsimile thereof. ((LuxBlue of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=14)) \\ | + | It's just a more thorough oil change by using the puck or a reasonable facsimile thereof. ((LuxBlue of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page14?t=1092007&page=14)) \\ |
| If you could somehow gut a filter it would do the same thing. \\ | If you could somehow gut a filter it would do the same thing. \\ | ||
| The puck is nice though, made from billet aluminum but all in all it's only a tool. \\ | The puck is nice though, made from billet aluminum but all in all it's only a tool. \\ | ||
| - | The you fit a 'T' fitting on the return line with a piece of hose going down to the bottom of the scoot. ((AB,Frank of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=2)) \\ | + | The you fit a 'T' fitting on the return line with a piece of hose going down to the bottom of the scoot. ((AB,Frank of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page2?t=1092007&page=2)) \\ |
| Pinch the return line on the closest side to the oil tank (just by the T fitting) and start the scoot. \\ | Pinch the return line on the closest side to the oil tank (just by the T fitting) and start the scoot. \\ | ||
| Wait till you get clean oil out of the hose off the 'T' fitting (make sure you have oil in the tank). \\ | Wait till you get clean oil out of the hose off the 'T' fitting (make sure you have oil in the tank). \\ | ||
| Then shut off the scoot, remove the puck, plug the scavenge and top off the oil tank. \\ | Then shut off the scoot, remove the puck, plug the scavenge and top off the oil tank. \\ | ||
| - | The purpose of the tee is so you don't have to cut the factory crimped clamp at the tank. ((patrickd of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=19)) \\ | + | The purpose of the tee is so you don't have to cut the factory crimped clamp at the tank. ((patrickd of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page19?t=1092007&page=19)) \\ |
| Also, with the tee you can have the scavenge drain routed down behind the primary out of the way with the tank drain hose. \\ | Also, with the tee you can have the scavenge drain routed down behind the primary out of the way with the tank drain hose. \\ | ||
| The clamp on the return line used on the tank side is to clamp off the return line downstream of the tee fitting to prevent any scavenge oil from returning to the tank. \\ | The clamp on the return line used on the tank side is to clamp off the return line downstream of the tee fitting to prevent any scavenge oil from returning to the tank. \\ | ||
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| It doesn't take too long to pump out a quart so the oil in our bikes circulates pretty quickly, especially at higher rpms. \\ | It doesn't take too long to pump out a quart so the oil in our bikes circulates pretty quickly, especially at higher rpms. \\ | ||
| - | | Rogue Chopper Sportster Scavenger Kit ((photos by tater of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=10)) ||| | + | | Rogue Chopper Sportster Scavenger Kit ((photos by tater of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page10?t=1092007&page=10)) ||| |
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| - | | Fitting at tank swapped out. ((photos by tater of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=10)) || Tee fitting comes with the kit. ((photo by LuxBlue of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007)) | | + | | Fitting at tank swapped out. ((photos by tater of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page10?t=1092007&page=10)) || Tee fitting comes with the kit. ((photo by LuxBlue of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today?t=1092007)) | |
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| Simply pinch off the hose on the tank side of the tee to allow the scavenged oil to empty into a container through the tee'd off hose. \\ | Simply pinch off the hose on the tank side of the tee to allow the scavenged oil to empty into a container through the tee'd off hose. \\ | ||
| The 79 models didn't come factory with an external oil filter. \\ | The 79 models didn't come factory with an external oil filter. \\ | ||
| - | But an optional kit was available for conversion. \\ | + | But an optional kit was available for conversion. Likewise, the diagrams below reflect 79's both with and without an external filter. \\ |
| - | | 57-76 scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=18, further annotation by Hippysmack)) | 77-79 scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=18, further annotation by Hippysmack)) | 79-85 scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=18, further annotation by Hippysmack)) | | + | | 57-76 scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page18?t=1092007&page=18, further annotation by Hippysmack)) | 77-79 scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page18?t=1092007&page=18, further annotation by Hippysmack)) | 79-85 scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page18?t=1092007&page=18, further annotation by Hippysmack)) | |
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| - | | 86-90 scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=18, further annotation by Hippysmack)) | 91 and up scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=18, further annotation by Hippysmack)) | | + | | 86-90 scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page18?t=1092007&page=18, further annotation by Hippysmack)) | 91 and up scavenge oil change diagram ((photo by merc of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page18?t=1092007&page=18, further annotation by Hippysmack)) | |
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| ===== Make your own scavenger kit ===== | ===== Make your own scavenger kit ===== | ||
| - | You can get a couple of fittings for the inlet and outlet for hose and loop the hose basically from one hole to the other. ((ElectricCityIron of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=8)) \\ | + | You can get a couple of fittings for the inlet and outlet for hose and loop the hose basically from one hole to the other. ((ElectricCityIron of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page8?t=1092007&page=8)) \\ |
| Then install a tee in the return hose. Whole setup was about $15. \\ | Then install a tee in the return hose. Whole setup was about $15. \\ | ||
| - | | Derale Spin-On Adapter with Dual 1/2" NPT ports ((https://www.jegs.com/i/Derale/259/15703/10002/-1)) ((photos by ElectricCityIron of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=10)) || | + | | Derale Spin-On Adapter with Dual 1/2" NPT ports ((https://www.jegs.com/i/Derale/259/15703/10002/-1)) ((photos by ElectricCityIron of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page10?t=1092007&page=10)) || |
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| - | |Pop off the right side cover and all the lines are seen. You can loosen the clamps and rotate the tee to where you want it. ((photos by ElectricCityIron of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=10))||| | + | |Pop off the right side cover and all the lines are seen. You can loosen the clamps and rotate the tee to where you want it. ((photos by ElectricCityIron of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page10?t=1092007&page=10))||| |
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| ===== Another Version of the Puck ===== | ===== Another Version of the Puck ===== | ||
| - | Take one of these filter adapters and drill a hole straight across the port boss and then just plug the three holes. ((bitpusher of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=13)) \\ | + | Take one of these filter adapters and drill a hole straight across the port boss and then just plug the three holes. ((bitpusher of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page13?t=1092007&page=13)) \\ |
| If you just plug the two holes on the outside, there would be no flow. \\ | If you just plug the two holes on the outside, there would be no flow. \\ | ||
| This one has a 3/16" hole drilled between the two cavities. \\ | This one has a 3/16" hole drilled between the two cavities. \\ | ||
| - | |Working from the inside, drill a hole between the two channels. Capped and drilled. ((photos by DaytonaSportster of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=13)) || | + | |Working from the inside, drill a hole between the two channels. Capped and drilled. ((photos by DaytonaSportster of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page13?t=1092007&page=13)) || |
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| - | | Then use a Dremil tool to smooth out the cutting. ((photos by DaytonaSportster of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1092007&page=13)) || | + | | Then use a Dremil tool to smooth out the cutting. ((photos by DaytonaSportster of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/lubrication-and-lubricants/114393-i-used-my-scavenger-today/page13?t=1092007&page=13)) || |
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