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ixl2relax ['91-later Alternative Clutch Pack Using XR1200 Parts]
+++ techtalk:ref:priclutch02 [2020/09/21 20:44]
hippysmack [Upgrade Clutch Release Bearing - HD P/N 8885 to 7200B Angular Ball Bearing]
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+====== Aftermarket Rivet Plate ======
+===== Alto Products =====
+==== Spring Plate ====
+Alto Products Corp has developed a new version of the Harley Davidson spring separator plate (part# - 095763HD). ((thanks to rocketmangb for the tip)) \\
+Made for Harley Davidson Sportster 91-On and Big Twin 90-On. \\
+REF part number: (37975-90) can also be used in place of Alto # 095763. \\
+This update features 16 Stainless Steel Rivets to hold the plate together for longer lasting durability, instead of the usual Brass Rivets. \\
+This heavy duty replacement addresses the issue of the original brass rivets loosening over time. \\
+{{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_ss_spring_plate.jpg?direct&300|}} ((Alto spring plate picture used by permission from Alto Products Corp.))
+  * ..[[https://www.altousa.com/|Click here for the Alto website]]
+  * ..[[https://www.altousa.com/docs/catalogs/Alto_Motorcycle_Catalog_19196.pdf|Click here to download their complete motorcycle catalog in PDF]].
+==== Clutch Pack ====
+Alto part numbers 095750BC and 095750CC are for Sportsters. \\
+From Alto; \\
+//This kit will correct, prevent, and reduce overheating of the Clutch Pack. \\
+There is also an increased friction area for more grab and durability. \\
+This kit uses our CARBONITE® material and is our strongest clutch in this application.// \\
+**Installation Instructions**: \\ [[https://www.motorcycleid.com/images/alto/items/pdf/095750nc-installation-instructions.pdf|Click here to download the instruction sheet PDF]]. ((Thanks to sml1226 for providing this link)) \\
+The friction material should face the back of the drum. \\
+  * Start with an externally splined friction plate with the lining facing down and the steel side facing up.
+  * Followed by an internally splined friction plate with the lining facing down and the steel side up.
+  * Continue this process making sure each time a plate is installed that you only see the steel side.
+  * The last plate to be installed will be the double-sided friction plate (in the front).
+  * Reinstall the pressure plate and spring. Finish by adding lubricant.
+  * Once installation is finished ride the motorcycle two or three times to make your final adjustments. \\ If the Stack Up extends above the basket, remove internally splined plate and one externally splined plate.
+**ALTO Part #(095750BC)**: \\
+For Big Twin 90-97 & XLS 91+ \\
+Contents: \\
+  * (10) 095731B185 1-Side Friction, Internally Splined
+  * (10) 095730D150 1-Side Friction, Externally Splined
+  * (1) 095730A185 Friction Plate, Double Sided
+**ALTO Part # (095750CC)**: \\
+Buell & XL 2005+ \\
+Contents: \\
+  * (8) 095731B185 1-Side Friction, Internally Splined
+  * (8) 095730D150 1-Side Friction, Externally Splined
+  * (1) 095730A185 Friction Plate, Double Sided
+==== Pics of ALTO (095750BC) Installed  ====
+Note that the plates are all fiber on one side and steel the other except the last one which is fiber on both sides. ((rocketmangb of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2075976&page=2)) \\
+Installation is with the 2 sided plates in first and the 2 sided fiber in last (front). \\
+{{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_1_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_2_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_3_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} \\
+{{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_4_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_5_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_6_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} \\
 ====== 91 and Later Aftermarket Clutch Packs ======
 ===== Energy One =====
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 This discussion regards using some of the clutch parts found in the XR1200 model in place of the stock XL model design. This XR parts usage was initially explored due to some issues that occur after the XL Spring Plate is replaced with an aftermarket 'Extra Plate Kit' or when adding 2 stock steels & a friction. Sometimes those alternatives will 1) have an abrupt grabbing (lurching) on clutch engagement and/or 2) produce an unpleasant squeel. Using the XR parts instead of the XL Spring Plate is said to eliminate those issues.
-The XLForum threads related to this alternative are (Thanks to Bluto for pioneering this alternative):
+These are the XLForum threads related to this alternative: (Thanks to Bluto for pioneering this alternative):
 http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2044017\\
 http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2072418\\
+http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2074994\\
 Here's the pictures Bluto posted of the parts:
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 ====== Upgrade Clutch Release Bearing - HD P/N 8885 to 7200B Angular Ball Bearing ======
-You might consider replacing the stock bearing, P/N 8885, which is a standard ball type bearing (equiv. to 6200). Using an angular contact bearing, which provides additional support in the axial direction, is a better alternative for this application. The upgraded replacement would be FAG 7200B (not available from HD) and is an angular contact bearing. Thus, it is important to orient the bearing in the right direction when pressing the bearing into the Release Plate. Be sure to purchase the genuine FAG brand or another high quality bearing (as knockoff versions do not hold up).
+You might consider replacing the stock bearing, P/N 8885, which is a standard ball type bearing (equiv. to 6200). Using an angular contact bearing, which provides additional support in the axial direction, is a better alternative for this application. The upgraded replacement would be FAG 7200B (not available from HD) and is an angular contact bearing. \\ [[https://www.famcocorp.com/uploads/product/Bearing/FAG/Angular-Contact/FAG-Angular-Contact-Bearings-Catalog.pdf|Click this link to view the PDF]] for FAG Angular Contact Bearings Catalog. \\ [[https://www.rmbearings.co.uk/pictures/pdfs/FAG%20CAGE%20TYPES.pdf|Click this link to view the PDF]] for FAG Rolling Bearing Cages Technical Information. \\
+{{ :techtalk:ref:priclutch:XXXfag_polyamide_cage_svc_life_chart.png?direct&500|}}
+  * **FAG 7200-B**. \\ This 7200-B-TVP bearing is a single row angular contact bearings with a modified internal construction and a glass fiber reinforced polyamide cage. ((https://www.qualitybearingsonline.com/7200-b-tvp-fag-angular-contact-bearing-10x30x9mm/)) \\ The cage has a high degree of elasticity, a low weight as well as having good sliding and dry-running properties have a positive effect on the bearing service life according to FAGs technical information on rolling bearing cages. Glass-fiber reinforced polyamide cages are suitable for extended use at operating temperatures of up to 248°F (120°C). That's constant temperatures though. If the bearings are not subjected to such high temperatures all the time, the cage service life will be longer. In oil-lubricated bearings, however, additives contained in the oil may lead to a reduction of the cage service life. At increased temperatures, aged oil can also have an impact on the cage service life. It is, therefore, important that oil change intervals are observed.
+    * Light series bearing
+    * Dimensions: ID (10mm), OD (30mm), Width (9mm)
+    * 40° contact angle
+    * Cage type: plastic
+    * Open shield
+    * Dynamic load rating (KN): 5
+    * Static load rating (KN): 2.5
+    * Fatigue load rating (KN): 0.177
+    * Reference speed rating (R/MIN): 26000
+    * Limiting speed rating (R/MIN): 32000
+    * Weight: 0.0320 KGS
+    * Continuous operating temperature up to 248°F (120°C)
+  * **FAG 7200-B-JP**. \\ This 7200-B-JP bearing is a single row angular contact bearings with a modified internal construction and a sheet steel cage. ((https://www.qualitybearingsonline.com/7200-b-jp-fag-angular-contact-bearing-10x30x9mm/))
+    * Light series bearing
+    * Dimensions: ID (10mm), OD (30mm), Width (9mm)
+    * 40° contact angle
+    * Cage type: pressed sheet steel
+    * Open shield
+    * Dynamic load rating (KN): 5
+    * Static load rating (KN): 2.5
+    * Fatigue load rating (KN): 0.177
+    * Reference speed rating (R/MIN): 26000
+    * Limiting speed rating (R/MIN): 32000
+    * Weight: 0.0330 KGS
+    * Continuous operating temperature up to 392°F (200°C)
+    * Insensitive to synthetic lubricant
+    * Longer grease operating life
+It is important to orient the bearing in the right direction when pressing the bearing into the Release Plate. Be sure to purchase the genuine FAG brand or another high quality bearing (as knockoff versions do not hold up).
 The wide side of the 7200B outer bearing race should be placed into the release plate first. This also means that the narrow part of the inner bearing race is first into the plate.

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