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| - | + | ====== Electrical Compatibility Information ====== | |
| + | submitted by Andy56 ((Post#179 - https://www.xlforum.net/forum/forum-functions/sportsterpedia-com-admin/191119-send-a-note-to-sportsterpedia-admin?t=2039687)) | ||
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| + | **Oil pressure switch**\\ | ||
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| + | HD part number -- Standard Automotive\\ | ||
| + | - - - - - - - - - - - - - Products part number\\ | ||
| + | 26552-72 - - - - - - MC1801\\ | ||
| + | 26554-77 - - - - - - MC1802\\ | ||
| + | 26561-84 - - - - - - MC1803\\ | ||
| + | 26561-99 - - - - - - MC1804\\ | ||
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| + | **Brush sets**\\ | ||
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| + | HD part number -- Standard Motor\\ | ||
| + | - - - - - - - - - - - - - Products part number\\ | ||
| + | 30426-58 - - - - - - MC2309\\ | ||
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| + | **Starter Relay** TC models (2000-2011) V-ROD (2007-2011)\\ | ||
| + | 31522-00B - - - - - - Durite 0-728-13, Standard Motor Products MC-RLY5\\ | ||
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| + | **Suggested wire sizes** based on continuous load for standard multicore wire\\ | ||
| + | 14 gauge (2.0mm2) 15 Amps\\ | ||
| + | 16 gauge (1.3mm2) 7 Amps\\ | ||
| + | 18 gauge (0.82mm2) 5 Amps\\ | ||
| + | 20 gauge (0.5mm2) 3 Amps\\ | ||
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| + | For lighting 1 watt = 0.07 Amps so a single 21W bulb takes 21x0.07 = 1.47 Amps\\ | ||
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| + | Volt drop calculator for calculating wire size. (maximum acceptable volt drop nomaly 3-4%)\\ | ||
| + | https://www.rapidtables.com/calc/wir...alculator.html\\ | ||
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| + | But remember the wire size has to be rated to the fuse it has to blow and not necessarily the continuous load.\\ | ||
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| + | ====== Suspension Info by ???? ====== | ||
| Comments: (by who??) | Comments: (by who??) | ||
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| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_absorber \\ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_absorber \\ | ||
| - | http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=47542 \\ | + | https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks?t=47542 \\ |
| - | http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=919213 (ricor rear shocks) \\ | + | https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/104207-ricor-brings-world-class-suspension-to-sportsters?t=919213 (ricor rear shocks) \\ |
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| | 50185-04 | ~8.5 | | | 50185-04 | ~8.5 | | ||
| - | Pictures of these measurements can be seen in [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=5664721&postcount=7|this post]]. | + | Pictures of these measurements can be seen in [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/193090-kickstand-identification?postcount=7#post4185449|this post]]. |
| ====== Trickle Charger ====== | ====== Trickle Charger ====== | ||
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| Destination: Ref-Electrical | Destination: Ref-Electrical | ||
| - | | Trickle charger pigtail location on 98 model ((photo by Hippysmack)) | Trickle charger below & to the rear of the battery box on 94 on model ((photo by IXL2Relax of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5672190#post5672190)) | | + | | Trickle charger pigtail location on 98 model ((photo by Hippysmack)) | Trickle charger below & to the rear of the battery box on 94 on model ((photo by IXL2Relax of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/193466-access-to-battery-posts#post4195462)) | |
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| Destination - IH Body Parts | Destination - IH Body Parts | ||
| - | Dr Dick http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1615459&page=3 \\ | ||
| - | frames 52-76 interchange. short frame was 52-66 all and 67-69ch. long were the other yrs/models. | ||
| - | to change from one to the other you need: frame, swing arm (also long or short. its the swing arm that varies the wheel base), driver peg supports | ||
| - | using the short frame with hump (long fame) motors will require some kind of solution of side stand contacting primary drain plug and boss. | ||
| - | the pri drain is a hump motor thing. to intergrate its addition to the cases the footpeg mounting points and kickstand tab were moved forward on the long. frame. hence the different driver peg supports to bring pegs back into position. \\ | ||
| 1972 and earlier.......... \\ | 1972 and earlier.......... \\ | ||
| - | piniongear http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1476377 \\ | + | piniongear https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/136081-help-on-identifying-the-year-of-my-frame?t=1476377 \\ |
| Where the solo seat would go is a cast member that the tubes of the frame connect to. | Where the solo seat would go is a cast member that the tubes of the frame connect to. | ||
| I went out to the shop to look at my 1971 frame in the same location as you showed in your picture. | I went out to the shop to look at my 1971 frame in the same location as you showed in your picture. | ||
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| In my 1959-1969 service manual the frames for those years are given the exact same dimensions as the 1970-72. The 1973 is quite different in design and dimensions are different too. \\ | In my 1959-1969 service manual the frames for those years are given the exact same dimensions as the 1970-72. The 1973 is quite different in design and dimensions are different too. \\ | ||
| - | Monte03 http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1476377 \\ | + | Monte03 https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/136081-help-on-identifying-the-year-of-my-frame?t=1476377 \\ |
| Neck numbers are not representative. | Neck numbers are not representative. | ||
| On pre 70 Sportsters, the year the frame was stamped for use was under the seat right casting, these frames may have sat in a factory rack a year prior.. this is the lug that would be used for the Large Gas Tank.. did you look?? \\ | On pre 70 Sportsters, the year the frame was stamped for use was under the seat right casting, these frames may have sat in a factory rack a year prior.. this is the lug that would be used for the Large Gas Tank.. did you look?? \\ | ||
| - | ironheadjunkie http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1476377 \\ | + | ironheadjunkie https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/136081-help-on-identifying-the-year-of-my-frame?t=1476377 \\ |
| If you have a seat boss (circled in red)should be a letter and number Letter = Month & Number = Year. The Suffix numbers XXXX-52 is the year the casting was made. Also what type of upper motor mount do you have, Cast or Pressed Steel? | If you have a seat boss (circled in red)should be a letter and number Letter = Month & Number = Year. The Suffix numbers XXXX-52 is the year the casting was made. Also what type of upper motor mount do you have, Cast or Pressed Steel? | ||
| Your frame looks to be a post 72 from the area circled in red, there should be some numbers on the neck circled in green!!! | Your frame looks to be a post 72 from the area circled in red, there should be some numbers on the neck circled in green!!! | ||
| The last picture I posted would be along the line of how the frame would look if it was a pre 72. \\ | The last picture I posted would be along the line of how the frame would look if it was a pre 72. \\ | ||
| - | 16ouncePBR http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1476377&page=2 \\ | + | 16ouncePBR https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/136081-help-on-identifying-the-year-of-my-frame/page2?t=1476377&page=2 \\ |
| My take is that it is a 67-69 XLH frame due to the lack of neck VINS and the -67 casting numbers. 4 | My take is that it is a 67-69 XLH frame due to the lack of neck VINS and the -67 casting numbers. 4 | ||
| CH frames would not have the dogged legs to accommodate the big electric start batt, etc. 4 | CH frames would not have the dogged legs to accommodate the big electric start batt, etc. 4 | ||
| Also know as the start of the long frame Sportsters. \\ | Also know as the start of the long frame Sportsters. \\ | ||
| - | 1973 and later.........… \\ | + | 1973-1978.........… \\ |
| - | piniongear http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1476377 \\ | + | piniongear https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/136081-help-on-identifying-the-year-of-my-frame?t=1476377 \\ |
| In 1973 the frame was changed and the steel casting was eliminated and replaced with steel straps which covered the two frame tubes having the open holes. (these two holes held the supports for the original solo seat.) | In 1973 the frame was changed and the steel casting was eliminated and replaced with steel straps which covered the two frame tubes having the open holes. (these two holes held the supports for the original solo seat.) | ||
| See the flat metal 'shelf' on the right side of the casting piece? This should have 2 holes drilled in it. | See the flat metal 'shelf' on the right side of the casting piece? This should have 2 holes drilled in it. | ||
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| This is how it came from the factory and has the different wiring harness to back that up. | This is how it came from the factory and has the different wiring harness to back that up. | ||
| H-D mixed and matched with this feature it seems. \\ | H-D mixed and matched with this feature it seems. \\ | ||
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| + | 1979-1985.......... \\ | ||
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| + | Chevelle https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/139640-engine-frame-interchangability?t=1514522 \\ | ||
| + | Like I stated, I have installed earlier engines in newer frames, but not vice versa. | ||
| + | This does not necessarily apply to his post, just mentioning to possibly inform anyone who's interested. | ||
| + | If using a 82-84 frame the front plates are larger like the early style, but the 82-84 plates are shaped differently and only work for 82-84. | ||
| + | The same goes for a 82-84 rear motor mount. | ||
| + | The early engine will not fit into a 82-84 w/o the 82-up rear mount. | ||
| + | I assume the same for 77-up engines, they will only fit into 82-up frame w/ 82-up rear mount. | ||
| + | I do not know if a 77-up engine will fit into an earlier frame. | ||
| + | I don't know if a 82-up rear mount in this situation would be needed or not. | ||
| + | I don't know if it will physically fit (the sump) between the frame rails. | ||
| + | I do know a EVO enginewill fit into a 82 frame. | ||
| + | This was only after my buddy attempted to do it. | ||
| + | He was told over and over on different Internet sites that it was impossible. \\ | ||
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| + | Threads: \\ | ||
| + | "Ironhead Animal Mother Reigns!" by snow https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/148782-animal-mother-reigns?t=1615459 \\ | ||
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