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 ====== EVO: Engine Control - Sub-01A ======
 ====== Finding TDC on Compression Stroke (1991-2003) ======
-The bike must be on a jack or a lift so you can spin the rear wheel. \\
+===== Using the Timing Mark on the Flywheel =====
+The bike must be on a jack or a lift so you can spin the rear wheel. \\ It may be easier done with a helper to spin the wheel while you work the engine side although a one person operation can be done.
   * Remove both spark plugs (or one on each cylinder for an "S" model with 4 plugs). \\ This will relieve the compression on the engine as you turn the engine over.
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-  * With the rear wheel off the ground, shift into 1st gear. Then, rotate the rear wheel forward until it stops (this will turn over the engine / transmission). \\ You can also just turn the wheel over with one hand (a bump at a time) while shifting with the other. The wheel doesn't have to turn too far or at any rate of speed.
+  * **Shift the transmission into 5th gear**.
-  * Then you can shift thru 3rd.
+    * With the rear wheel off the ground, shift into 1st gear. Then, rotate the rear wheel forward until it stops (this will turn over the engine / transmission). \\ You can also just turn the wheel over with one hand (a bump at a time) while shifting with the other. The wheel doesn't have to turn too far or at any rate of speed.
-  * It takes two separate movements of the shift forks to get into 4th which requires turning the wheel again. \\ Depending on the alignment of your specific transmission conditions, you may have to wing it back and forth with turning the wheel and shifting.
+    * Then you can shift thru 3rd.
-  * Then you can shift to 5th. Of all the gears to be in, 5th will be the easiest to turn by hand.
+    * It takes two separate movements of the shift forks to get into 4th which requires turning the wheel again. \\ Depending on the alignment of your specific transmission conditions, you may have to wing it back and forth with turning the wheel and shifting.
+    * Then you can shift to 5th. Of all the gears to be in, 5th will be the easiest to turn by hand.
 |  Shifting the transmission into fifth gear  ((photos by Phillober of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1175659&highlight=tapping+threads&page=3))  |||
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+  * Slowly turn the rear tire forward to roll the engine over and you will see the TDC timing mark pass through the timing hole window. \\ It's faster with 2 people so one can watch the hole, but with one person, you can bump the wheel with one hand while watching the hole.
+  * When the vertical line appears in the hole as below, you're piston is at TDC.
+  * However, the piston is at TDC twice for each (one) revolution of the cams (once on TDC compression stroke and once on TDC exhaust stroke).
 |  When you take out the timing plug, \\ this is more than likely what you see ((photo by Phillober of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1175659&highlight=tapping+threads&page=3))  |  TDC timing mark in center of window ((photo by Phillober of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1175659&highlight=tapping+threads&page=3))  |
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+  * **Using the "Finger Method" to find compression stroke (TDC compression)** \\ Basically, you just plug the hole with their finger and wait for pressure to blow past it. \\ There is a distinct difference you can feel between the 2 TDCs from your finger. \\ Here's what happens:
+    * When at TDC (exhaust), both valves are open somewhat and the force of the piston pushing air is sent thru enough orifices that there will not be much pressure at at your finger although you may feel some air.
+    * At TDC (compression) both valves are closed (leaving the plug hole as the main outlet for the air) which drastically increases what you feel at your finger.
+  * Bump the engine over until the TDC mark is in the window and back it off 1/4-1/2 turn. Then rotate the wheel forward with the mark going past the window with your finger over the spark plug hole.
+  * Once you start to feel pressure on your finger, your close. Press as hard as you want on the hole, the pressure will be stronger than you when your on compression stroke. ((Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2069380&highlight=tdc&page=2)) You may need to roll the engine over several times until your sure of which TDC your at.
 |  Using the "finger method" to feel compression ((photo by Phillober of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1175659&highlight=tapping+threads&page=3))  |

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