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 ==== Sensor Power - 5 volts ====
-Starting with the 1998 Sport Model, some of the sensors required a 5-volt power supply. This was accomplished by the Ignition Control Module (or later, the Engine Control Module) converting the normal 12-volt system power to a 5-volt power level that is supplied to some sensors. The table below shows how to track down the 5-volt connections & the potential ground connections that might create issues or cause Diagnostic Codes to be set. If a problem is indicated, you can check the information related to the individual sensors further down the page. ((See discussion here: http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5604118))
+Starting with the 1998 Sport Model, some of the sensors required a 5-volt power supply. This was accomplished by the Ignition Control Module (or later, the Engine Control Module) converting the normal 12-volt system power to a 5-volt power level that is supplied to some sensors. The table below shows how to track down the 5-volt connections & the potential ground connections that might create issues or cause Diagnostic Codes to be set. If a problem is indicated, you can check the information related to the individual sensors further down the page. ((See discussion here: https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/191500-2009-xlc-dying-when-letting-clutch-out-can-kill-bike-with-throttle/page2#post4139765))
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 ^ 2014-later (CANbus) |
 | Start at the ECM (RED/White wire) on ECM Connector-2 Pin-9\\ This is +5v Output from the ECM as Sensor Power Supply to:\\ Engine Harness (R/W wire) on Connector 145A/B Pin-8\\ \\ Check for +5v at:\\ VSS (R/W wire) on Connector 65B Pin-A\\ TMAP Sensor (R/W wire) - Connector 80B Pin-3\\ TPS Sensor (R/W wire) - Connector 88B Pin-B\\ Jiffy Stand (R/W wire) on Connector 133B Pin-1\\ -- Even if not HDI model, this connector can be an issue\\ \\ Check ECM Connector 1&2 Pin-10 as both Sensor Ground & ECM Ground\\ -- Be sure it is equal to Battery Negative\\ Check ECM Connector-2 Pin-16 for Switched 12v Power\\ Check ECM Connector-2 Pin-18 for 12v Battery Power |
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 Being in an enclosed area (nosecone) of the engine, the Cam Sensor is subject to high temperatures. The potting material is subject to melting and may cause erratic timing. (This location for the Ignition Module on the 1998-2003 models also created high heat failure issues for the module.)
-|  {{:techtalk:evo:engctl:camsensorplate.jpg?300|}}\\ 1986-1993 All Models - 32400-80B Sensor Plate\\ 1994-1997 All Models - 32400-94A Sensor Plate  |  {{:techtalk:evo:engctl:camsensorplate-97-melted.jpg?200|}}((Pic from BowOnly at http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2076330)) \\ 1997 Cam Position Sensor Melted  |
+|  {{:techtalk:evo:engctl:camsensorplate.jpg?300|}}\\ 1986-1993 All Models - 32400-80B Sensor Plate\\ 1994-1997 All Models - 32400-94A Sensor Plate  |  {{:techtalk:evo:engctl:camsensorplate-97-melted.jpg?200|}}((Pic from BowOnly at https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/199450-v-o-e-s-issue?t=2076330)) \\ 1997 Cam Position Sensor Melted  |
-|  {{:techtalk:evo:engctl:camsensorcup.jpg?250|}}\\ \\ 32402-83 Rotor Cup\\ Used in 1986-1997 All Models\\ Also 1998-2003 Models except 1200S  |  {{:techtalk:evo:engctl:camsensorcup-1200s.jpg?250|}}((Pic - Steelworker http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1382357))\\ 1998-2003 1200S - 32422-98 Rotor Cup  |
+|  {{:techtalk:evo:engctl:camsensorcup.jpg?250|}}\\ \\ 32402-83 Rotor Cup\\ Used in 1986-1997 All Models\\ Also 1998-2003 Models except 1200S  |  {{:techtalk:evo:engctl:camsensorcup-1200s.jpg?250|}}((Pic - Steelworker https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-electrical-and-ignition/130785-sportster-sport-1200s-98-03-ignition-replacement?t=1382357))\\ 1998-2003 1200S - 32422-98 Rotor Cup  |
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 {{ :techtalk:evo:engctl:ckp-32707-01c.jpg?200|}}
-See this [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1928519|__XLForum Thread__]].
+See this [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-electrical-and-ignition/179520-ckp-testing-with-dso?t=1928519|__XLForum Thread__]].
 **NOTE1:** The CKP P/N for 2004-2005 models is currently 32804-04B (long cable). The CKP P/N for 2006-2017+ models is currently 32707-01C (short cable), which is also used on some BT models.
-**NOTE2:** With the CKP DTCs being a recurring issue, it would be a good idea to open & clean the CKP to main harness connector located beneath the frame. Put dielectric grease in the connector to help keep out grit & grime, then reconnect it. It may be getting excessive contamination due to its location.((thanks sportsterpaul - http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=5603008&postcount=128))
+**NOTE2:** With the CKP DTCs being a recurring issue, it would be a good idea to open & clean the CKP to main harness connector located beneath the frame. Put dielectric grease in the connector to help keep out grit & grime, then reconnect it. It may be getting excessive contamination due to its location.((thanks sportsterpaul - https://www.xlforum.net/forum/forum-functions/sportsterpedia-com-admin/181086-sportsterpedia-progress/page9?postcount=128#post4135380))
 **NOTE3** DTC P0373 & P0374 Diagnostic Tips - Engine must crank for at least five seconds (without CKP signal) in order to set P0374 code. Intermittent TMAP wiring or sensor issues may cause these codes to set prior to setting TMAP codes. Verify TMAP wiring and sensor.
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 ==== MAP - Manifold Absolute Pressure ====
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 {{ :techtalk:evo:engctl:98-03_map_sensor_location_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}
-The MAP Sensor, in accordance with the changing engine vacuum and atmospheric barometric pressure, alters the voltage sent back to the ICM - more vacuum equals lower voltage. See the **98-03 1200S MAP sensor location** in the middle ((photo by Hippysmack)) & **04-06 MAP Sensor Location** to the right ---->.((photo by johnk of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1422877))\\
+The MAP Sensor, in accordance with the changing engine vacuum and atmospheric barometric pressure, alters the voltage sent back to the ICM - more vacuum equals lower voltage. See the **98-03 1200S MAP sensor location** in the middle ((photo by Hippysmack)) & **04-06 MAP Sensor Location** to the right ---->.((photo by johnk of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/132786-fixing-a-leaky-top-end-with-pics?threadid=1422877))\\
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 To test that P0108 occurs, disconnect the MAP sensor, then short socket Pin# B to socket Pin# C of the harness connector# 80B (be sure not to touch Pin# A) - Then turn the key on - check the DTCs.
-This XLForum thread lists some test info & alternative part numbers: http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1195745\\
+This XLForum thread lists some test info & alternative part numbers: https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/121908-map-sensor-warning-id10t-type-of-question?threadid=1195745\\
 (HD # 32316-99 changed to 32417-10)\\
 (Alternatives: Delphi# PS10002 / Echlin# 216451 / Delco# 213-331 / GM# 12614970 / GM# 16212460)
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 ==== EFI Manifold & Induction Module ====
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 {{:common:space100x5px.jpg?175|}}<font 20px/inherit;;inherit;;inherit>**Reference Picture showing Sensor Locations.**</font>
-{{:techtalk:evo:engctl:2014-efi-manifold-inductionsensors-xkreedx.jpg|}}((photo by xkreedx of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=2059564))((Annotated by IXL2Relax at the XLForum))
+{{:techtalk:evo:engctl:2014-efi-manifold-inductionsensors-xkreedx.jpg|}}((photo by xkreedx of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-engine-conversions/192378-1200-to-1275-hammer-conversion?threadid=2059564))((Annotated by IXL2Relax at the XLForum))
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 ==== Fuel Injectors ====
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 ==== IAT - Intake Air Temperature ====
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 ==== TMAP - Temperature/Manifold Absolute Pressure ====
-The TMAP sensor (used on 2007-later models - see pic above)((Information for this section was collected from Fe Head's contribution to an [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=278587|XLForum Thread]] and from the 2008 Sportster Electrical Diagnostic Manual)) combines an IAT (Intake Air Temperature) and a MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) sensor into a single component. It is mounted on the intake air manifold which distributes incoming air from the throttle body into the two cylinders.
+The TMAP sensor (used on 2007-later models - see pic above)((Information for this section was collected from Fe Head's contribution to an [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-intake-and-exhaust/sportster-motorcycle-air-intake-carburetor-efi-fuel-and-exhaust/55778-function-of-the-map-sensor?t=278587|XLForum Thread]] and from the 2008 Sportster Electrical Diagnostic Manual)) combines an IAT (Intake Air Temperature) and a MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) sensor into a single component. It is mounted on the intake air manifold which distributes incoming air from the throttle body into the two cylinders.
 The TMAP sensor provides information to the ECM upon which the ECM alters the timing of the spark and the injection of fuel based on the current vacuum conditions in the manifold. By altering the spark timing and fuel, better combustion occurs in varied situations.
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 **MAP Output Voltage**: \\
   * This requires a digital multimeter set to the 0-20 volt DC setting, MAP connected inline (and optional Mityvac or other hand held vacuum pump). \\ See also [[techtalk:ref:tools160#mityvac_vacuum_pump_function_and_usage|MityVac Vacuum Pump Function and Usage]] in the Sportsterpedia. \\
-  * Typically most MAP sensors are simply a set of resistive strain guages mounted on a suitable substrate and forming a bridge circuit. ((Fe Head of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=278587&page=3))
+  * Typically most MAP sensors are simply a set of resistive strain guages mounted on a suitable substrate and forming a bridge circuit. ((Fe Head of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-intake-and-exhaust/sportster-motorcycle-air-intake-carburetor-efi-fuel-and-exhaust/55778-function-of-the-map-sensor/page3?t=278587&page=3))
   * With the ignition switch turned to ON, test the leads as follows:
   - (Input Power) Probe the R/W wire lead and verify it has +5 volts.
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 The IAC will give up its control of the engine when it is not in an Idle Condition - meaning that the TPS voltage exceeds 1% (the throttle is open) or the VSS becomes greater than 0 (the bike is moving). It will not have control if the battery voltage drops below 9.0v. If the Battery Voltage connection to the ECM is lost, the engine will start, but the IAC will not be able to perform the reset procedure when the keyswitch is turned off because the ECM will not have power. Eventually, the pintle position tracking will fail causing performance problems.
-A number of riders have reported a High Idle problem that occurs when coming to a stop. Sometimes the P0505 DTC is set, but not always. This XLForum thread discusses that issue: http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=737008)
+A number of riders have reported a High Idle problem that occurs when coming to a stop. Sometimes the P0505 DTC is set, but not always. This XLForum thread discusses that issue: https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/efi-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2007-and-up/90800-throttle-idle-problem-newbie?t=737008)
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 If you are able to observe the above voltages from the sensor, but the speedometer is still erratic or otherwise malfunctioning, be sure to test all the wiring between the sensor and the speedometer. As a last resort, replacement of the speedometer may be in order.
-Check [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=800778|this XLForum thread]] for a 'FIX' to erratic speedo operation for 1995-2003 models.
+Check [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/95720-speedometer-problem-can-t-find-in-search?t=800778|this XLForum thread]] for a 'FIX' to erratic speedo operation for 1995-2003 models.
-**(2004-2013)** (2004-2012 = P/N 74402-04A - 2013 = P/N 74402-05B)\\
+**(2004-2013)** (2004 only = P/N 74402-04A - 2005-2013 = P/N 74402-05B)\\
 The VSS is a 5v-based hall-effect sensor. The 5v power source for the sensor (BLACK/RED wire of the twisted pair) comes from the ICM/ECM and the pulsing output from the sensor (BLACK/BLUE wire of the twisted pair) goes to the ICM/ECM for processing. The ground connection (BLACK wire) is part of the main harness.
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 If you are able to observe the above voltage variations from the sensor, but the speedometer is still erratic or otherwise malfunctioning, be sure to test all the wiring between the sensor and the ICM/ECM as well as the Serial Data Bus connection. As a last resort, replacement of the VSS or the speedometer may be in order.
+(The 74402-04A sensor has a long attached cable while the later 74402-05B has a connector built on the sensor with the wiring being part of the main harness.)
 **(2014-on)** (P/N 74402-05B)\\
-The VSS sensor is the same 5v-based hall-effect sensor as 2013. The ECM (Engine Control Module) handles all the processing of the signals and sends data to the speedometer over the new CANbus communications connection.
+The VSS sensor is the same 5v-based hall-effect sensor as for 2013 models and the ECM (Engine Control Module) handles all the processing of the signals. The speedometer now utilizes the new CANbus to send the calculated data to the speedometer.
-Note this very informative [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1883180|__XLForum Thread__]] regarding the VSS.
+Note this very informative [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-lighting/175521-self-cancelling-indicator-wiring?t=1883180|__XLForum Thread__]] regarding the VSS.
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 ==== BAS - Bank Angle Sensor ====
-{{techtalk:evo:engctl:98-03-a-bankanglesensor.jpg?150|}}{{techtalk:evo:engctl:98-03-b-bankanglesensor.jpg?150|}} ((Image from Shu XLForum threadid=619957)) {{:techtalk:evo:engctl:98-03-c-bankanglesensor-internal.jpg?150|}}((pic from Diogenes415 of the XLForum http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2079288))\\
+{{techtalk:evo:engctl:98-03-a-bankanglesensor.jpg?150|}}{{techtalk:evo:engctl:98-03-b-bankanglesensor.jpg?150|}} ((Image from Shu XLForum threadid=619957)) {{:techtalk:evo:engctl:98-03-c-bankanglesensor-internal.jpg?150|}}((pic from Diogenes415 of the XLForum https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/202146-question-about-bas-system?t=2079288))\\
-The Bank Angle Sensor, as an individual, external component, was used on Sportsters from 1998 to 2003. Using an internal v-shaped channel and steel ball, it is intended to kill the ignition if the bike lean angle exceeded 55 degrees, such as in an accident or tip over. It is attached upright, on those models, to the side of the battery box, toward the rear, using a locating pin and one screw. It has a 3-wire connector.
+The Bank Angle Sensor, as an individual, external component, was used on Sportsters from 1998 to 2003. Using an internal v-shaped channel and steel ball, it is intended to kill the ignition if the bike lean angle exceeded 55 degrees, such as in an accident or tip over. It is attached upright, on those models, to the side of the battery box, toward the rear, using a locating pin and one screw. It must be mounted upright to operate properly. It has a 3-wire connector.
 To reset the ignition function after the BAS has been triggered, turn off the keyswitch, set the bike upright, turn the keyswitch on.
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 The jiffy stand sensor also has a 'Fail Enable' mode. This mode allows the engine to start and run if the system recognizes a problem with the jiffy stand sensor circuit. If a problem exists or if the transmission is put in gear with the jiffy stand extended the odometer will display "SIdE Stand".
-(Here is an [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1879945|XLForum THREAD]] that discusses an intermittent issue which causes the bike to stop running and may not produce any DTC.)
+(Here is an [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-electrical-and-ignition/175198-side-stand-issues-on-can-bus-sportsters?t=1879945|XLForum THREAD]] that discusses an intermittent issue which causes the bike to stop running and may not produce any DTC.)
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-{{:techtalk:evo:engctl:xr1200x_fuel_pump_by_davo_137.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Davo_137 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2072270))
+{{:techtalk:evo:engctl:xr1200x_fuel_pump_by_davo_137.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Davo_137 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/195845-do-you-think-is-normal-this-fuel-pump-noise?t=2072270))
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-**NOTE-1** Additional fuel pump info is at this XLForum Thread: http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=984808\\
+**NOTE-1** Additional fuel pump info is at this XLForum Thread: https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/efi-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2007-and-up/107825-low-fuel-warning-light?t=984808\\
 **NOTE-2** If there is too low voltage (below minimum set point) on the low fuel signal line for more than 15 seconds a DTC B1004 will be

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