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 ===== Sub-Documents =====
-* . . . [[techtalk:evo:susp02a|SubDocA]]
+* . . . [[techtalk:evo:susp02a|1200S Showa Shocks on a 08 1200N]]
 * . . . [[techtalk:evo:susp02b|2014 XL1200T - Checking Suspension Measurements & Modifications]]
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 * . . . [[techtalk:evo:susp02c|1200S Shocks: Testing & Mods w/ Spring Rate Charts]]
-* . . . [[techtalk:evo:susp02d|1200S Shocks: Testing & Mods w/ Spring Rate Charts]]
+* . . . [[techtalk:evo:susp02d|Future Subject]]
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 ===== 1986-2003 Springs (Except 1200S) =====
 |Complete Shock and Spring Assemblies ((1986-1990 HD Parts Catalog pg 72)) ((1991-1992 HD Sportster Parts catalog pg 68)) ((1993-1994 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 68)) ((1995-1996 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 70)) ((1997 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 63)) ((1998 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 66)) ((1999 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 70)) ((2000 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 70)) ((2001 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 72)) ((2002 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 72)) ((2003 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 72)) ||||
 |Year|Model|Part #|Standard/ Option|
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 ===== 1996-2003 Springs For 1200 Sport Model =====
+  * See [[techtalk:evo:susp01e|Suspension Settings for Factory 39mm Cartridge Valve Forks and Gas Canister Piggyback Shocks]] for setting up the factory piggyback shocks.
-  * For setting up the factory piggyback shocks, see [[techtalk:evo:susp01#forks_for_1200_sport_model|Suspension Settings for Factory 39mm Cartridge Valve Forks and Gas Canister Piggyback Shocks]]
   * Length is 13.5" "eye to eye".
-  * The factory dampers for piggyback shocks for S models are now obsolete from the MoCo and not rebuild-able ((steelworker http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=1843302&highlight=piggyback)). So when they go bad, they have to be replaced either with a used or aftermarket set.
+  * The factory dampers for piggyback shocks for S models are now obsolete from the MoCo and not rebuild-able ((steelworker https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/171907-disassemble-xl1200s-shocks?t=1843302&highlight=piggyback)). So when they go bad, they have to be replaced either with a used or aftermarket set.
   * Some spring weights:
-    * The 1200S shocks have a 54/78 lb/in spring. ((XLXR http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=164018&highlight=piggyback&page=4))
+    * The 1200S shocks have a 54/78 lb/in spring. ((XLXR https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/45904-1200s-shocks-on-1200n/page4?t=164018&highlight=piggyback&page=4))
-    * The 12.5" 412 has a standard 75/120 lb/in spring for 180 lb riders. ((XLXR http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=164018&highlight=piggyback&page=4))
+    * The 12.5" 412 has a standard 75/120 lb/in spring for 180 lb riders. ((XLXR http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=164018&highlight=piggyback&page=4))
-    * The 12" 412 has a 90/130 spring. ((XLXR http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=164018&highlight=piggyback&page=4))
+    * The 12" 412 has a 90/130 spring. ((XLXR https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/45904-1200s-shocks-on-1200n/page4?t=164018&highlight=piggyback&page=4))
-  * Be careful, if you need to replace the bushings, not to crack the dampening wheel at the bottom of the shock. ((pcontiman http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=5))
+  * Be careful, if you need to replace the bushings, not to crack the dampening wheel at the bottom of the shock. ((pcontiman https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page5?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=5))
 |Complete Shock and Spring Assemblies ((1995-1996 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 70)) ((1997 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 70)) ((1998 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 66)) ((1999 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 70)) ((2000 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 70)) ((2001 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 72)) ((2002 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 72)) ((2003 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 72))|||||
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 |1996-1997|XL 1200S|54542-96|54552-96|Standard|
 |1998-2003|XL 1200S|54542-96A|54552-96A|Standard|
 ===== 2004-later Springs =====
 |Complete Shock and Spring Assemblies ((2004 HD Parts Catalog pg 68)) ((2005 HD Sportster Parts catalog pg 72)) ((2006 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 72)) ((2007 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 75)) ((2008 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 75)) ((2009 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pgs 113, 115)) ((1999 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 70)) ((2000 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 70)) ((2001 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 72)) ((2002 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 72)) ((2003 HD Sportster Parts Catalog pg 72)) |||||||||
 |Year|Model|Part #|Standard/ Option|Shock \\ Travel|Spring \\ Free \\ Length|Spring \\ Rate \\ (lbs per inch).|Spring \\ Installed \\  Length|Spring \\ Preload \\ (ft/lbs)|
-|2004-2008|__XL883__ Domestic|54566-04 (2)|Standard|3.25" ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|11.33" ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|69 ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|9.64" ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|116 ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|
+|2004-2008|__XL883__ Domestic|54566-04 (2)|Standard|3.25" ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page2?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|11.33" ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page2?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|69 ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page2?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|9.64" ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page2?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|116 ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page2?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|
 |2009|:::|54566-09 (2)|Standard|
 |2009|:::|54566-09 (2)|Standard|
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 |:::|HDI, England, Australia|54570-09 (2)|Standard|
 |2011-2012|Asia-Pacific|:::|Standard|
-|2004-2008|__XL1200R__ Domestic|54566-04 (2)|Standard|3.25" ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|11.33" ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|69 ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|9.64" ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|116 ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|
+|2004-2008|__XL1200R__ Domestic|54566-04 (2)|Standard|3.25" ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page2?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|11.33" ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page2?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|69 ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page2?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|9.64" ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page2?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|116 ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page2?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=2))|
 |2009|:::|54566-09 (2)|Standard|
-|2015|XL1200T|54000060 (10 1/2") (L) \\ 54000061 (10 1/2") (R)| Standard (Showa) \\ w/ dial adjuster (L) \\ w/o dial adjuster (R) \\ [[techtalk:evo:susp01#xl1200t_rear_shock_s|More Info]] |
+|2014-2015|XL1200T|54000060 (11 1/2") (L) \\ 54000061 (11 1/2") (R)| Standard (Showa) \\ w/ dial adjuster (L) \\ w/o dial adjuster (R) \\ [[techtalk:evo:susp02b|More Info & Testing]] |
-|2016|:::|54000060 (10 1/2") (L) \\ 54000100 (R)|:::|
+|2016-2020|:::|54000060 (11 1/2") (L) \\ 54000100 (R)((https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/202095-xl1200t?t=2079233))|:::|
 |2013-2015|__XL1200V__ Domestic|54568-09 (2)|Standard|
 |2010-2015|__XL1200X__ Domestic|54550-10 (2)|Standard|
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 ===== 2006-2007 1200L =====
-  * 2007 Harley 1200 Low Springs 100 pounds per inch progressive wound (but built by Harley to go progressive too late to help much. It goes to hard rate at a spring height of 6" or a shock length of about 10.5") ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
+  * 2007 Harley 1200 Low Springs 100 pounds per inch progressive wound (but built by Harley to go progressive too late to help much. It goes to hard rate at a spring height of 6" or a shock length of about 10.5") ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page3?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
-  * 2006 Harley 1200 R shocks a little too much low extension damping but appears to be acceptable ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
+  * 2006 Harley 1200 R shocks a little too much low extension damping but appears to be acceptable ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page3?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
-    * Preload adjuster set to full hard to give about 20lb. of spring preload at 13.25 c to c on the shock (the only setting that is acceptable due to spring length). ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
+    * Preload adjuster set to full hard to give about 20lb. of spring preload at 13.25 c to c on the shock (the only setting that is acceptable due to spring length). ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page3?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
-    * Ride height ends up 1.33" from full compression, (with a 200 lb. rider) and 1.9" from full extension (bike on a jack) 12.5" shock c to c with the bike on the Low stand. ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
+    * Ride height ends up 1.33" from full compression, (with a 200 lb. rider) and 1.9" from full extension (bike on a jack) 12.5" shock c to c with the bike on the Low stand. ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page3?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
-  * Shock length fully extended: 13.25" (you are in this range any time you crest a hill at high speed the trick is to keep the tire on the road at all cost) ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
+  * Shock length fully extended: 13.25" (you are in this range any time you crest a hill at high speed the trick is to keep the tire on the road at all cost) ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page3?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
-  * Shock length with bike straight up no rider weight: 12.1" (you are in this range every time the road goes down, it happens just as often as the road goes up) ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
+  * Shock length with bike straight up no rider weight: 12.1" (you are in this range every time the road goes down, it happens just as often as the road goes up) ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page3?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
-  * Shock length with a 200 lb. rider: 11.4" (you are in this range right after a raised or rising bump) ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
+  * Shock length with a 200 lb. rider: 11.4" (you are in this range right after a raised or rising bump) ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page3?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
   * This is all spring rate trying to save hardware.
-    * Shock length fully compressed 10" ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
+    * Shock length fully compressed 10" ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page3?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
-    * Shock length with the bike on the kickstand 12.5" (this is a bling thing and it's not significant for handling. ((whittlebeast http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
+    * Shock length with the bike on the kickstand 12.5" (this is a bling thing and it's not significant for handling. ((whittlebeast https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-suspension-frame-forks-handlebars-fuel-tank-oil-tank-fenders/28685-harley-database-of-springs-and-shocks/page3?t=47542&highlight=1200s+shocks&page=3))
 ===== Screaming Eagle Piggyback Shocks =====
   * 340 mm / 13.39 inches center to center with 92mm / 3.62 inches of travel.
     * [[https://www.harley-davidson.com/store/screamin-eagle-fully-adjustable-piggyback-shocks]]

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