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-====== IH: Oiling & Lubrication - Sub-03A ======+====== IH: Oiling & Lubrication - Sub-03B ====== 
 ====== 77-85 Oil Pump and Parts (approximate) Dims ====== ====== 77-85 Oil Pump and Parts (approximate) Dims ======
 See also [[techtalk:ih:oil03a|77-85 Oil Pump - Individual Parts and Pics]] See also [[techtalk:ih:oil03a|77-85 Oil Pump - Individual Parts and Pics]]
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 The only intent is to show general measurements for comparison. \\ The only intent is to show general measurements for comparison. \\
 ✔ Specs from the FSM are shown with a checkmark by them. ✔ Specs from the FSM are shown with a checkmark by them.
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-====== Oil Pump Cover Dims ====== 
  
-|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_cover_dims_1_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_cover_dims_2_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}| 
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-|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_cover_dims_3_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_cover_dims_4_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}| 
 ====== Oil Pump Body Dims ====== ====== Oil Pump Body Dims ======
 +|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim-1_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|
  
-|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim_7_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim_8_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|+|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim-2_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim-4_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77_and_86_oil_pump_comparison_9_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|
  
-|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim_1_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim_2_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim_12_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|+|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim-10_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim-5_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim-3_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}| 
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 +|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim-7_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim-6_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim-8_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}| 
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 +|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim_9_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim_10_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim_11_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|
  
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-|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim_9_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim_10_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim_11_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|+|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim_1_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim_2_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_body_dim_12_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}| 
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 + 
 +====== Oil Pump Cover Dims ====== 
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 +|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_cover_dims_1_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_cover_dims_5_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}| 
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 +|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_cover_dims_3_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_cover_dims_2_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_cover_dims_4_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}| 
 + 
 +====== Roll Pin Dims ====== 
 +|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77_oil_pump_roll_pin_dim_1_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}| 
 ====== Gear Shaft Dims ====== ====== Gear Shaft Dims ======
 The same gear shaft part number (26488-75) was used from 77-90. \\ The same gear shaft part number (26488-75) was used from 77-90. \\
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 However, there are variations of the exact length of the shaft. \\ However, there are variations of the exact length of the shaft. \\
  
-**Reported Dims**: ((DirtyCory of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2071153&page=8)) \\+**Reported Dims**: ((DirtyCory of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/194881-let-s-study-the-77-85-oil-pump-parts-and-changes-and-when/page8?t=2071153&page=8)) \\
 The shaft lengths reportly vary from around 4.160" to 4.205". \\ The shaft lengths reportly vary from around 4.160" to 4.205". \\
 The shaft diameters vary from 0.495" to 0.496". \\ The shaft diameters vary from 0.495" to 0.496". \\
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 Distance from drive gear to retaining ring groove 2.580". \\ Distance from drive gear to retaining ring groove 2.580". \\
 The only difference in markings on the 2 shaft lengths other than the length itself is the hash marks on top of the gear. \\ The only difference in markings on the 2 shaft lengths other than the length itself is the hash marks on top of the gear. \\
-Also noticed was that some of the holes in the gearshaft for the pins are drilled to different depths. ((DirtyCory of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2071153&page=3)) \\+Also noticed was that some of the holes in the gearshaft for the pins are drilled to different depths. ((DirtyCory of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/194881-let-s-study-the-77-85-oil-pump-parts-and-changes-and-when/page3?t=2071153&page=3)) \\
 |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_gear_shaft_comparison_1_by_dirtycory.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_gear_shaft_comparison_2_by_dirtycory.jpg?direct&300|}}| |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_gear_shaft_comparison_1_by_dirtycory.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_gear_shaft_comparison_2_by_dirtycory.jpg?direct&300|}}|
-|Longer shaft (L), Shorter shaft (R) with hash marks \\ on the top. Reason for the hash marks presently \\ unknown. ((photo by DirtyCory of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2071153&page=8))|  Lengths slightly different. ((photo by DirtyCory of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2071153&page=8))  |+|Longer shaft (L), Shorter shaft (R) with hash marks \\ on the top. Reason for the hash marks presently \\ unknown. ((photo by DirtyCory of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/194881-let-s-study-the-77-85-oil-pump-parts-and-changes-and-when/page8?t=2071153&page=8))|  Lengths slightly different. ((photo by DirtyCory of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/194881-let-s-study-the-77-85-oil-pump-parts-and-changes-and-when/page8?t=2071153&page=8))  |
  
 The dims in the pics below were taken on a driveshaft from a used 79 oil pump. ((photos by Hippysmack)) \\ The dims in the pics below were taken on a driveshaft from a used 79 oil pump. ((photos by Hippysmack)) \\
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 ====== Gear Shaft Retaining Ring Dims ====== ====== Gear Shaft Retaining Ring Dims ======
  
 |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_gear_shaft_retaining_ring_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_gear_shaft_retaining_ring_2_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}| |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_gear_shaft_retaining_ring_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_gear_shaft_retaining_ring_2_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|
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 ====== Gear Shaft Pin Dims ====== ====== Gear Shaft Pin Dims ======
 Gear shaft pin (26430-76) \\ Gear shaft pin (26430-76) \\
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 Different pins were mic'd and the dims noted as below: \\ Different pins were mic'd and the dims noted as below: \\
 |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:gearshaft_pin_dims_by_dirtycory.jpg?direct&200|}}| |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:gearshaft_pin_dims_by_dirtycory.jpg?direct&200|}}|
-|  Various pin lengths noted using \\ NOS and used pins ((photo by DirtyCory of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2071153&page=3))  |+|  Various pin lengths noted using \\ NOS and used pins ((photo by DirtyCory of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/194881-let-s-study-the-77-85-oil-pump-parts-and-changes-and-when/page3?t=2071153&page=3))  |
  
 Below are more dims (parts from taken from a 79 oil pump). Below are more dims (parts from taken from a 79 oil pump).
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 It's easy to rock it out of square with the gerotor. It's easy to rock it out of square with the gerotor.
 |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_feed_gerotor-checking_tolerance_by_6_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_feed_gerotor-checking_tolerance_by_7_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}| |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_feed_gerotor-checking_tolerance_by_6_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:77-85_oil_pump_feed_gerotor-checking_tolerance_by_7_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|
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 ===== Return (scavenge) Gerotors ===== ===== Return (scavenge) Gerotors =====
 **77-E83 Chamfered Return Gerotors** \\ **77-E83 Chamfered Return Gerotors** \\
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 ✔ Maximum wear limit between the inner and outer gerotor set is .004" ((70-78 Sportster FSM pg 3-27)) ✔ Maximum wear limit between the inner and outer gerotor set is .004" ((70-78 Sportster FSM pg 3-27))
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 ====== Separator Plate Dims ====== ====== Separator Plate Dims ======
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-|  Outer plate comparison ((photo by DirtyCory of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2071153))  | +|  Outer plate comparison ((photo by DirtyCory of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/194881-let-s-study-the-77-85-oil-pump-parts-and-changes-and-when?t=2071153))  |
-===== Inner Plate =====+
  
 +===== Inner Plate =====
  
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