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techtalk:ref:engmech07 [2020/10/09 00:56]
hippysmack [Sub Documents]
techtalk:ref:engmech07 [2020/11/03 21:27]
hippysmack [OEM oil paths and engine breathing drawings]
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 57-76 engines breath and scavenge oil from the same hole. \\ 57-76 engines breath and scavenge oil from the same hole. \\
 On piston down stroke, drain oil is pushed into the oil galley (slot) in the rear of the crankcase and toward the oil trap beside the breather gear. \\ On piston down stroke, drain oil is pushed into the oil galley (slot) in the rear of the crankcase and toward the oil trap beside the breather gear. \\
-When the breather window opens, both drain oil and crankcase air pressure are pushed into the rotating breather gear. \\+When the breather window opens after downstroke, both drain oil and crankcase air pressure are pushed into the rotating breather gear. \\
 The oil and air is slung out from the center of the gear into the gearcase where it bounces on cam gears, case walls, etc. \\ The oil and air is slung out from the center of the gear into the gearcase where it bounces on cam gears, case walls, etc. \\
 Air / oil mist flows toward the vent and the oil gets spun out of suspension by the oil slinger on the generator drive gear. \\ Air / oil mist flows toward the vent and the oil gets spun out of suspension by the oil slinger on the generator drive gear. \\
 Crankcase exhaust air is then sent out the breather tube. \\ Crankcase exhaust air is then sent out the breather tube. \\
-The breather valve then closes on piston upstroke past BDC, creating vacuum in the crankcase and the cycle repeats. \\+The breather valve then closes on after the pistons rise (after ​BDC), creating vacuum in the crankcase and the cycle repeats. \\
  
 ===== 1977-1985 ===== ===== 1977-1985 =====
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 Many cases of excess breather oil is caused by poorly functioning check valves. Many cases of excess breather oil is caused by poorly functioning check valves.
  
-**Engine Breathing Cycle**: ​\\+**Engine Breathing Cycle**: ​
 A mixture of crankcase air and oil mist is produced on each piston down stroke. \\ A mixture of crankcase air and oil mist is produced on each piston down stroke. \\
-Upstroke pulls oil up into suspension but in tiny particles to mix with the air moving around and thrown here to there for lubrication. \\  +Upstroke pulls this mixture ​up into suspension but in tiny particles to mix with the air moving around and thrown here to there for lubrication. \\
 The oil is separated from the air by way of collision. Everything the air/oil mix touches on the way to the vent separates some oil from the air. \\ The oil is separated from the air by way of collision. Everything the air/oil mix touches on the way to the vent separates some oil from the air. \\
-77-up engines ​blow the air/​oil ​mix into the gearcase where it bounces on cam gears, case walls, etc. and then gets spun out by the oil slinger. \\ + 
-This helps to splash lube the moving parts in the engine when it is picked up and blown around. \\  +77-up engines ​scavenge oil from down low in the crankcase and breath up higher through holes in the cam wall. \\ 
-The oil mist is then separated from the crankcase air and the excess air pressure is vented out of the engine past the one way breather valve. \\ +On piston downstroke, drain oil is pushed into the oil galley and crankcase air pressure is pushed into the gearcase and the breather valve is pushed open. \\ 
-77-85 engines vent through a valve in the cam cover. \\+The air/ oil mist is slung around in the gearcase where it bounces on cam gears, case walls, etc. \\ 
 +Remaining air / oil mist flows toward the vent. \\ 
 +On 77-E84 engines, oil gets spun out of suspension ​by the oil slinger ​on the generator drive gear and crankcase exhaust air is then sent out the breather vent. \\ 
 +On L84-85 engines, ​the slinger washer was removed and a breather baffle tube was installed ​in the cover to separate oil. \\ 
 +Oil hits the breather baffler tube then the back side of the breather valve to separate from the air and drains back into the gearcase. \\ 
 +The breather ​valve then closes at piston (BDC), creating vacuum ​in the crankcase as the piston rises and the cycle repeats. \\
 There were several changes made of the valve itself, but they operate on the same principle as a one way breather valve. \\ There were several changes made of the valve itself, but they operate on the same principle as a one way breather valve. \\
  
 +==== OEM oil paths and engine breathing drawings ====
 +
 +{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​1957-1971_sportster_crankcase_pressure_path_by_hippysmack.png?​direct&​500|}} ((drawing by Hippysmack)) \\
 +
 +{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​1972-1976_sportster_crankcase_pressure_path_by_hippysmack.png?​direct&​750|}} ((drawing by Hippysmack)) \\
 +
 +{{:​techtalk:​ref:​engmech:​1977-1985_sportster_crankcase_pressure_path_by_hippysmack.png?​direct&​500|}} ((drawing by Hippysmack)) \\
 ====== Engine Breather Valves ====== ====== Engine Breather Valves ======
 ===== Sub Documents ===== ===== Sub Documents =====
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   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07h|Oil Drainback and Supplemental Air Intake from Breather Valves]]   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07h|Oil Drainback and Supplemental Air Intake from Breather Valves]]
   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07i|Dissecting the 77-78 Breather (foo-foo) Valve (24634-77)]]   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07i|Dissecting the 77-78 Breather (foo-foo) Valve (24634-77)]]
 +  * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07j|Further Study of the 79-E82 Reed Valve]]
   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07s|XR-750 8-Ball Breather Valve]]   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07s|XR-750 8-Ball Breather Valve]]
   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech05|Breather Venting / Relocation]] (list of breathing mods and aftermarket breathers for 1977-up engines)   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech05|Breather Venting / Relocation]] (list of breathing mods and aftermarket breathers for 1977-up engines)
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   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07b|Affects of the 45° Rod / Piston Arrangement]]   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07b|Affects of the 45° Rod / Piston Arrangement]]
   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07c|Differential Pressure]]   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07c|Differential Pressure]]
 +  * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech04r|Air Pressure and Vacuum at Different Elevations]]
   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07d|Blowby and Ring Seal]]   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07d|Blowby and Ring Seal]]
   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07f|Liquid Drag vs Fluid Drag]]   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech07f|Liquid Drag vs Fluid Drag]]
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   * [[techtalk:​ref:​oil20|Oil Tank Pressure]]   * [[techtalk:​ref:​oil20|Oil Tank Pressure]]
   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech04p|Vacuum Pump for Reducing Crankcase Pressure]]   * [[techtalk:​ref:​engmech04p|Vacuum Pump for Reducing Crankcase Pressure]]
 +  * See also in the Sportsterpedia:​
 +    * [[techtalk:​ih:​oil01#​transfer_valve_76_and_earlier|Transfer Valve]]
 ==== In the crankcase air system ==== ==== In the crankcase air system ====