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techtalk:ref:genmsr10 [2018/02/04 00:14] hippysmack [Application (from the MoCo)] |
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| - | ====== REF: Oiling & Lubrication ====== | + | ====== REF: General-MSR 10 ====== |
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| ====== Assembly Lubes, Oils and Sealant ====== | ====== Assembly Lubes, Oils and Sealant ====== | ||
| + | ====== Case Half Sealant ====== | ||
| + | Apparently HondaBond, YammaBond, and ThreeBond are all the same product, all manufactured by 3M company. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?s=5165c2d55507b0a80754920c69e24721&p=3351809)) \\ | ||
| + | These are recommended for this application. \\ | ||
| ====== Wheels ====== | ====== Wheels ====== | ||
| ===== Bearings and Packing ===== | ===== Bearings and Packing ===== | ||
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| * In some cases, a grease may not be recommended or productive to adjacent components. Check the manufacturers label for precautions in use. | * In some cases, a grease may not be recommended or productive to adjacent components. Check the manufacturers label for precautions in use. | ||
| * It is Ok to grease the connectors before connection being made for most applications as long as there is a tight enough metal to metal connection point to push out the grease in that area. | * It is Ok to grease the connectors before connection being made for most applications as long as there is a tight enough metal to metal connection point to push out the grease in that area. | ||
| - | * DO NOT use WD-40 to blow out/ clean old grease from connectors. Wd-40 is a conductive petroleum based lubricant that will not wipe out or dry up enough to ensure a non-conductive condition in your connections which could arc on such use. | + | * DO NOT use WD-40 to blow out/ clean old grease from connectors. Regular WD-40 is a conductive petroleum based lubricant that will not wipe out or dry up enough to ensure a non-conductive condition in your connections which could arc on such use. Check for specialized WD-40 products (contact cleaner) and be sure it is compatible with your usage. |
| - | * Dielectric grease is NOT a conductor, its an insulator....((cantolina of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=130945&highlight=dielectric+grease)) | + | * Dielectric grease is NOT a conductor, its an insulator....((cantolina of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=130945&highlight=dielectric+grease)) |
| * Dielectric grease, while not promoting conductivity, does help to preserve and maintain it by reducing conductivity degrading corrosion/oxidation of electrical connections over the dimension of time. It works by sealing out air and moisture (if good, solid, tight connections have been made and have been periodically cleaned and checked for same). | * Dielectric grease, while not promoting conductivity, does help to preserve and maintain it by reducing conductivity degrading corrosion/oxidation of electrical connections over the dimension of time. It works by sealing out air and moisture (if good, solid, tight connections have been made and have been periodically cleaned and checked for same). | ||
| * While slathering dielectric grease everywhere onto electrical connectors before you mate them won’t yield an improvement in electrical current, it does coat and/or undercoat surrounding open areas not subject to tight bonding and keeps corrosion from entering. | * While slathering dielectric grease everywhere onto electrical connectors before you mate them won’t yield an improvement in electrical current, it does coat and/or undercoat surrounding open areas not subject to tight bonding and keeps corrosion from entering. | ||
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| * Always make sure your connections are tight, especially if you lube them before connecting them to allow the grease to move out of the hard connection area. Use a multi-meter to confirm conductivity before leaving it. | * Always make sure your connections are tight, especially if you lube them before connecting them to allow the grease to move out of the hard connection area. Use a multi-meter to confirm conductivity before leaving it. | ||
| * Dielectric grease is not a cleaner, it cannot restore corroded electrical connections but it is non-conductive grease with good heat resistance properties. | * Dielectric grease is not a cleaner, it cannot restore corroded electrical connections but it is non-conductive grease with good heat resistance properties. | ||
| - | * I tried both ways and don't see any voltage difference with my cheapo meter so I don't think the grease has much, if any resistance.((Baldspot of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=1513574&highlight=dielectric+grease)) | + | * I tried both ways and don't see any voltage difference with my cheapo meter so I don't think the grease has much, if any resistance.((Baldspot of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1513574&highlight=dielectric+grease)) |
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| ====== Anti-seize compound ====== | ====== Anti-seize compound ====== | ||
| + | See also [[techtalk:ref:tools123#wet_torque_value_chart_for_lubed_threads|Wet Torque Value Chart for Lubed Threads]] in the Tool section of the Sportsterpedia. \\ | ||
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| * Anti-Seize is a general phrase used to describe a lubing compound commonly used for threaded connections. However, anti-seize technology goes way beyond that. Anti-seize compounds offer a solution to problems associated with metal to metal contact at high temperatures and aide in assembly and disassembly. Some of these problems include seizing, galling, cold welding and heat freezing. These problems are accelerated by corrosion, friction, high temperature, load and torque. Anti-seize protects against rust and corrosion, reduces friction by providing constant torque tension, speeds up assembly and disassembly, prevents seizing, galling & cold welding. It is non-hardening and non-dripping and it retards galvanic action between dissimilar metals. | * Anti-Seize is a general phrase used to describe a lubing compound commonly used for threaded connections. However, anti-seize technology goes way beyond that. Anti-seize compounds offer a solution to problems associated with metal to metal contact at high temperatures and aide in assembly and disassembly. Some of these problems include seizing, galling, cold welding and heat freezing. These problems are accelerated by corrosion, friction, high temperature, load and torque. Anti-seize protects against rust and corrosion, reduces friction by providing constant torque tension, speeds up assembly and disassembly, prevents seizing, galling & cold welding. It is non-hardening and non-dripping and it retards galvanic action between dissimilar metals. | ||
| * Anti-seize acts as a lubricant to perform as a barrier or shield preventing deteriation of the metal surfaces. Oils and conventional greases are OK for some applications, however they do not last well beyond temperatures of 400ºF to 500ºF. Anti- seize compounds were developed to handle the lubricating job at higher temperature limits of various applications. They contain oils and greases for protection at lower temperatures and are the vehicle for the metallic and other solids contained in the compounds. After the oils and greases dissipate, the solid content of the compound remains (in the threads, on the flanges, etc.) plating the metal surfaces to resist friction, rust, corrosion and other detrimental conditions. | * Anti-seize acts as a lubricant to perform as a barrier or shield preventing deteriation of the metal surfaces. Oils and conventional greases are OK for some applications, however they do not last well beyond temperatures of 400ºF to 500ºF. Anti- seize compounds were developed to handle the lubricating job at higher temperature limits of various applications. They contain oils and greases for protection at lower temperatures and are the vehicle for the metallic and other solids contained in the compounds. After the oils and greases dissipate, the solid content of the compound remains (in the threads, on the flanges, etc.) plating the metal surfaces to resist friction, rust, corrosion and other detrimental conditions. | ||
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| - | * Use wax on chrome fasteners as anti-seize compound. Works very well...probably as well as anti-seize in that application. ((cantolina of the XLFOUM http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=614423&highlight=tap+die)) | + | * Use wax on chrome fasteners as anti-seize compound. Works very well...probably as well as anti-seize in that application. ((cantolina of the XLFOUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=614423&highlight=tap+die)) |
| - | * If using new chrome nuts and bolt, you MUST use anti-seeze lube. Else they will gall together. ((joestuff of the XLFOUM http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=614423&highlight=tap+die)) | + | * If using new chrome nuts and bolt, you MUST use anti-seeze lube. Else they will gall together. ((joestuff of the XLFOUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=614423&highlight=tap+die)) |
| ===== Upon comparison, copper based anti-seize seems to be the best choice used on a Sportster ===== | ===== Upon comparison, copper based anti-seize seems to be the best choice used on a Sportster ===== | ||
| ===== The FSM points out areas to use anti-seize on: ===== | ===== The FSM points out areas to use anti-seize on: ===== | ||
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| ====== Loctite or Threadlocker ====== | ====== Loctite or Threadlocker ====== | ||
| + | See also [[techtalk:ref:tools123#wet_torque_value_chart_for_lubed_threads|Wet Torque Value Chart for Lubed Threads]] in the Tool section of the Sportsterpedia. \\ | ||
| * Thread locker liquids have been around for many years and the brand, Loctite, has seemed to come to be synonymous for all brands just as the word Coke has replaced the phrase meaning a carbonated drink in general language since Loctite was the original inventor of anaerobic technology. ((http://www.na.henkel-adhesives.com/us/content_data/316041_FINAL_LT4680_AAM_Do_It_Guide_v7.pdf)) Permatex also offers threadlocker formulas. Both of these companies do seem to share a certain conformity regarding colors/ strengths and applications. A threadlocker is an anaerobic adhesive used on threaded metals that cures at room temperature in the absence of air. The adhesive completely fills the gaps between mating threads to lock and seal the threaded assembly.((http://na.henkel-adhesives.com/industrial/threadlocker-loctite-13445.htm)) | * Thread locker liquids have been around for many years and the brand, Loctite, has seemed to come to be synonymous for all brands just as the word Coke has replaced the phrase meaning a carbonated drink in general language since Loctite was the original inventor of anaerobic technology. ((http://www.na.henkel-adhesives.com/us/content_data/316041_FINAL_LT4680_AAM_Do_It_Guide_v7.pdf)) Permatex also offers threadlocker formulas. Both of these companies do seem to share a certain conformity regarding colors/ strengths and applications. A threadlocker is an anaerobic adhesive used on threaded metals that cures at room temperature in the absence of air. The adhesive completely fills the gaps between mating threads to lock and seal the threaded assembly.((http://na.henkel-adhesives.com/industrial/threadlocker-loctite-13445.htm)) | ||
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| * There are many more formulas on the market with different strengths and applications. The ones mentioned are or have been most common. Most hardware stores carry a medium and a high strength and some the low strength. But, there are different strengths of low, medium and high formulas. Check with the manufacturer for a current list of products and applications offered. In general, all you need is the most common blue and red for a Sporty. | * There are many more formulas on the market with different strengths and applications. The ones mentioned are or have been most common. Most hardware stores carry a medium and a high strength and some the low strength. But, there are different strengths of low, medium and high formulas. Check with the manufacturer for a current list of products and applications offered. In general, all you need is the most common blue and red for a Sporty. | ||
| ===== Application (from the MoCo) ===== | ===== Application (from the MoCo) ===== | ||
| + | ==== General Locking and Sealing Compounds ==== | ||
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| + | In 1985, the MoCo issued a Service Bulletin documenting a recommended list of locking and sealing compounds. The products listed are designed to increase the retention of fasteners and to aid in minor repairs. However, the MoCo does not distribute Loctite or Duro products. ((HD Service Bulletin #M-902 dated June 4, 1985)) | ||
| |Product|Color|Type / Application| | |Product|Color|Type / Application| | ||
| - | |Loctite \\ Threadlocker 222|Purple|Low strength adhesive - For fasteners less than 1/4" dia. - General body hardware.| | + | |Loctite 222|Purple|Low strength - For fasteners less than 1/4" dia. - General body hardware.| |
| - | | | + | |Loctite 242 \\ Duro Lock N Seal|Blue|Medium strength - For 1/4" dia. and larger fasteners - Lock fender braces, master cylinder bolts, brake disc mounting bolts, brake anchors, exhaust flanges and general body hardware.| |
| + | |Loctite 271 \\ Duro Stud and Bearings|Red|Very high strength - For 1" dia. and smaller fasteners - Secure upper and lower fork assemblies, shock absorber mounts, fittings, axle nuts, shift lever screws, cylinder head / crankcase studs and handlebar clamps.| | ||
| + | |Loctite 290 \\ Duro Wick N Lock|Green|High strength penetrating material - Lock adjustment screws and assembled parts. Secure footrests and kick starters.| | ||
| + | |Loctite RC/609|Green|3000 psi shear strength retaining compound - Retain brake pedal bushings, mainshaft sprockets, countershafts, oil seals, drive train, linkage, clutch hub and sprocket assemblies.| | ||
| + | |Loctite RC/620|green|3000 psi shear strength High Temp retaining compound - Locking crankpin and flywheel nuts.| | ||
| + | |Loctite 504 Gasket Eliminator|Orange|Instant sealant - Make emergency gaskets on-the-spot. Seal crankcase covers, cylinders to crankcase, oil pumps and rocker arm covers.| | ||
| + | |Loctite 495 Superbonder|Clear|Instant adhesive - bond brake pedal and kick starter pads. Secure loose hand grips. Repair loose windshield moldings and other rubber, vinyl and plastic components.| | ||
| + | |Hylomar PL32|Blue|Non hardening sealant - Retain engine gaskets in place during assembly. Seal crankcase halves.| | ||
| + | |Loctite Pipe Sealant With Teflon|White|General purpose sealant - Seal threaded fuel line fittings, hydraulic brake line fittings, engine plugs and oil drain plugs.| | ||
| + | |Loctite Anti-Seize| - |Temperature resistant heavy duty lubricant - Prevent galling, seizing and corrosion on front and rear axles.| | ||
| + | |Loctite Safety Solvent| - |General purpose cleaner - Dissolve grease, dirt and oil from parts quickly and safely.| | ||
| + | |Locquic Primer N| - |General purpose primer - Used for Loctite pipe sealants and flange sealants.| | ||
| + | |Locquic Primer T| - |Fast curing primer - Used for Loctite threadlockers, retaining compounds and sealants.| | ||
| + | |Locquic Primer NF 736| - |Very fast curing primer - Used for Loctite threadlockers, retaining compounds and sealants.| | ||
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| - | Based on article by olrump1 from the XLFORUM (([[http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=1972860]])) | + | Based on article by olrump1 from the XLFORUM (([[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1972860]])) |
| + | ====== Pipe Dope ====== | ||
| + | Effective as thread sealant especially on tapered thread fittings. \\ | ||
| + | {{:techtalk:ref:genmsr:pipe_dope_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Hippysmack)) \\ | ||
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