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techtalk:ref:oil06 [2019/05/24 14:54]
hippysmack [Oil Pump Covers]
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 [[techtalk:​ih:​oil03#​oil_pump|77-85 Oil Pump]] in the IH section of the Sportsterpedia. \\ [[techtalk:​ih:​oil03#​oil_pump|77-85 Oil Pump]] in the IH section of the Sportsterpedia. \\
 [[techtalk:​evo:​oil03|86-Present Oil Pump]] in the Evo section of the Sportsterpedia. \\ [[techtalk:​evo:​oil03|86-Present Oil Pump]] in the Evo section of the Sportsterpedia. \\
-===== Comparing 77-85, 98-06 and 07 and up Pumps =====+ 
 +====== Return to Feed Ratios ====== 
 +1977-1985 feed gerotors have the smallest volume and smallest of the gerotor pumps used on Sportsters. \\ 
 +1986-2006 feed gerotors have the same volume. \\ 
 +1977-1997 return gerotors have the same volume. \\ 
 +1998-2006 return gerotors have the same volume. \\ 
 +1977-2006 gerotors all have the same teeth profile (bodies changed OD but volume per height stayed the same). \\ 
 +2007-present are the tallest and also have a different teeth profile. \\ 
 + 
 +  * **77-85 return to feed ratio app 2.78:1** 
 +    * Return Height: .500", Feed Height: .180"  
 +  * **86-90 return to feed ratio app 1.89:1** 
 +    * Return Height: .500", Feed Height: .265"​ 
 +  * **91-97 return to feed ratio app 1.89:1** 
 +    * Return Height: .500", Feed Height: .265"​ 
 +  * **98-06 return to feed ratio app 2.64:1** 
 +    * Return Height: .700", Feed Height: .265"​ 
 +  * **07-up return to feed ratio app 4.25:1** 
 +    * Return Height: .850", Feed Height: .200"​ 
 + 
 +====== Return hole in the "duck bill" ====== 
 +The size of the crankcase oil inlet hole inside the duck bill changed a couple times. \\ 
 +1977-1990 return inlet hole ID = 0.250" \\ 
 +1991-1997 return inlet hole ID = 0.280" \\ 
 +1998-Present return inlet hole ID = 0.350" \\ 
 + 
 +{{:​techtalk:​ref:​oil:​1977-present_sportster_oil_pump_return_inlet_id_by_hippysmack.jpg?​direct&​400|}} \\ 
 + 
 +====== Comparing 77-85, 98-06 and 07 and up Pumps =======
 With a 98 style gasket on the 79 pump, the gasket fits nice and snug as it should be. \\ With a 98 style gasket on the 79 pump, the gasket fits nice and snug as it should be. \\
 There were 3 different fitting changes to the 77-81 pump but the body stayed the same. \\ There were 3 different fitting changes to the 77-81 pump but the body stayed the same. \\
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-The 79, 98 and 07 pumps were bolted to and outlined on the aluminum sheet. ((photos by Hippysmack of the XLFORUM ​http://​xlforum.net/​forums/showthread.php?​t=2071153&​page=6)) \\+The 79, 98 and 07 pumps were bolted to and outlined on the aluminum sheet. ((photos by Hippysmack of the XLFORUM ​https://www.xlforum.net/​forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/​ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/​194881-let-s-study-the-77-85-oil-pump-parts-and-changes-and-when/​page6?​t=2071153&​page=6)) \\
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-===== 77-85 and 86-90 Oil Pump Comparison =====+====== 77-85 and 86-90 Oil Pump Comparison ​======
 The 79-85 pump was bolted to and outlined on the aluminum sheet. \\ The 79-85 pump was bolted to and outlined on the aluminum sheet. \\
 The 86-80 pump was then bolted to the sheet clearly within the mark of the 79-85 pump. \\ The 86-80 pump was then bolted to the sheet clearly within the mark of the 79-85 pump. \\
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-==== Feed Gerotors ====+===== Feed Gerotors ​=====
 **77-85**: \\ **77-85**: \\
 77-85 feed gerotors are the same size with the exception of the L83 removal of the chamfer on the outside of the set. \\ 77-85 feed gerotors are the same size with the exception of the L83 removal of the chamfer on the outside of the set. \\
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-==== Return (scavenge) Gerotors ====+===== Return (scavenge) Gerotors ​=====
 **77-90**: \\ **77-90**: \\
 77-85 return gerotors are the same size with the exception of the L83 removal of the chamfer on the outside of the set. \\ 77-85 return gerotors are the same size with the exception of the L83 removal of the chamfer on the outside of the set. \\
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-==== Oil Pump Covers ====+===== Oil Pump Covers ​=====
 **86-90 cover on 77-85 pump body**: \\ **86-90 cover on 77-85 pump body**: \\
 Installing an 86 cover on the 77-85 oil pump creates problems. \\ Installing an 86 cover on the 77-85 oil pump creates problems. \\
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-|  77-85 covers w/ feed hole in arm. ((photo by Hippysmack)) ​ |  86-90 covers without the feed hole in the arm. ((photo by Hippysmack)) ​ | +| L83 pump body and 86-90 cover. ((photo by jlv of the XLFORUM https://​www.xlforum.net/​forum/​sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-bottom-end/​196850-oil-pump-iron-1000-1979-bizarre#​post4301658))  ​|  77-85 covers w/ feed hole in arm. ((photo by Hippysmack)) ​ |  86-90 covers without the feed hole in the arm. ((photo by Hippysmack)) ​ | 
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 **Feed gerotor surface depth change**: \\ **Feed gerotor surface depth change**: \\