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| - | ====== REF: Suspension - Sub-05A ====== | + | |
| + | ====== REF: Suspension ====== | ||
| ====== The 7 Pages of Suspension (parts 1 and 2) ====== | ====== The 7 Pages of Suspension (parts 1 and 2) ====== | ||
| - | Article by XLXR of the XLFORUM ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=552795)), ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=552796&highlight=pages+suspension)) \\ The 7 Pages of Suspension relates primarily to rubber mount bikes up to the year the cartridge suspension was started. ((XLXR)) \\ Additional note, apparently, Works Suspension went out of business in 2017. I do not know any recent information. ((XLXR http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2063843&highlight=pages&page=2)) | + | Article by XLXR of the XLFORUM ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=552795)), ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=552796&highlight=pages+suspension)) ((Also, thanks to bgavin for bringing this article to our attention)) \\ The 7 Pages of Suspension was originally created primarily for rubber mount bikes up to the year the cartridge suspension was started. ((XLXR)) \\ Additional note, apparently, Works Suspension went out of business in 2017. I do not know any recent information. ((XLXR http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2063843&highlight=pages&page=2)) |
| - | ====== Index ====== | + | |
| - | [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#first_7_pages_of_suspension|First 7 pages]]: | + | |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#tire_pressure|Tire Pressure]] | + | In the discussion below, you will find information on the various elements of a good suspension. Much of the information is applicable beyond the rubbermount specific models. |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#shock_preload|Shock Preload]] | + | |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#rider_sag_and_preload_of_forks_and_shocks|Rider Sag and Preload of Forks and Shocks]] | + | |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#fork_stiction|Fork Stiction]] | + | |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#chassis_pitch|Chassis Pitch]] | + | |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#shock_spring_rate|Shock Spring Rates]] | + | |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#how_to_select_a_shock|How to Select a Shock]] | + | |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#my_impressions_of_different_shocks|My Impressions of Different Shocks]] | + | |
| - | [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#second_7_pages_of_suspension|Second 7 pages: | + | \\ |
| + | ===== Index ===== | ||
| + | [[techtalk:ref:susp07#first_7_pages_of_suspension|First 7 pages]]: | ||
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#fork_spring_rates|Fork Spring Rates]] | + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#tire_pressure|Tire Pressure]] |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#works_dual_rate_fork_springs|Works Dual Rate Fork Springs]] | + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#shock_preload|Shock Preload]] |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#lowering_a_bike|Lowering a Bike]] | + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#rider_sag_and_preload_of_forks_and_shocks|Rider Sag and Preload of Forks and Shocks]] |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#ricor_intiminators_vs_race_tech_emulators|Ricor Intiminators vs Race Tech Emulators]] | + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#fork_stiction|Fork Stiction]] |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#fork_oil_viscosity_oil_height_changing_oil|Fork Oil Viscosity, Oil Height, Changing Fork Oil]] | + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#chassis_pitch|Chassis Pitch]] |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#air_forks|Air Forks]] | + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#shock_spring_rate|Shock Spring Rates]] |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#loosening_the_drive_belt_and_aligning_rear_tire|Loosening Drive Belt and Aligning Rear Tire]] | + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#how_to_select_a_shock|How to Select a Shock]] |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#deciding_how_to_set_up_your_bike|Deciding How to Set Up Your Bike]] | + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#my_impressions_of_different_shocks|My Impressions of Different Shocks]] |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#the_famous_wobble_thread|The Famous Wobble Thread (link and summary)]] | + | |
| - | * [[techtalk:ref:susp05a#more_links_to_xlf_suspension_threads|More Links to XLF Suspension Threads]] | + | [[techtalk:ref:susp07#second_7_pages_of_suspension|Second 7 pages]]: |
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| + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#fork_spring_rates|Fork Spring Rates]] | ||
| + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#works_dual_rate_fork_springs|Works Dual Rate Fork Springs]] | ||
| + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#lowering_a_bike|Lowering a Bike]] | ||
| + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#ricor_intiminators_vs_race_tech_emulators|Ricor Intiminators vs Race Tech Emulators]] | ||
| + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#fork_oil_viscosity_oil_height_changing_oil|Fork Oil Viscosity, Oil Height, Changing Fork Oil]] | ||
| + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#air_forks|Air Forks]] | ||
| + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#loosening_the_drive_belt_and_aligning_rear_tire|Loosening Drive Belt and Aligning Rear Tire]] | ||
| + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#deciding_how_to_set_up_your_bike|Deciding How to Set Up Your Bike]] | ||
| + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#the_famous_wobble_thread|The Famous Wobble Thread (link and summary)]] | ||
| + | * [[techtalk:ref:susp07#more_links_to_xlf_suspension_threads|More Links to XLF Suspension Threads]] | ||
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| ====== First 7 Pages of Suspension ====== | ====== First 7 Pages of Suspension ====== | ||
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| * I will start with the simple things and work into the more complex. If I mention something you don’t recognize, it is probably explained in more detail at a later point. Naturally, you can google any terms for more information. Wikepedia and the websites of the shock companies and Sport Rider have lots of good information. The information is based on experience with my 2006 Roadster. I weigh 260 lbs. | * I will start with the simple things and work into the more complex. If I mention something you don’t recognize, it is probably explained in more detail at a later point. Naturally, you can google any terms for more information. Wikepedia and the websites of the shock companies and Sport Rider have lots of good information. The information is based on experience with my 2006 Roadster. I weigh 260 lbs. | ||
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| * **The best shock I have ever ridden on was a Penske 3 Way shock** on a Ducati Monster. I try hard not to laugh when someone says how good Progressive 412’s are. | * **The best shock I have ever ridden on was a Penske 3 Way shock** on a Ducati Monster. I try hard not to laugh when someone says how good Progressive 412’s are. | ||
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| ====== Second 7 Pages of Suspension ====== | ====== Second 7 Pages of Suspension ====== | ||
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| * However, IF the spring has long transition zone, IF the initial and final spring rates match rider weight, and IF the rider goes slow enough and IF he avoids major bumpy roads, it is possible to get a reasonable ride. I guess I should add another IF. IF the rider has no clue what good suspension really is, anything is better than stock. | * However, IF the spring has long transition zone, IF the initial and final spring rates match rider weight, and IF the rider goes slow enough and IF he avoids major bumpy roads, it is possible to get a reasonable ride. I guess I should add another IF. IF the rider has no clue what good suspension really is, anything is better than stock. | ||
| * Sportytrace is a 140 lb rider who needed to keep her Nightster low so she could keep her feet on the ground. We accomplished this by using the 13.5” 1200 S shocks which have a light 54/78 lb/in spring. The spring matched her weight, but in order to get her feet to the ground, we had to use 1” lowering blocks. This proved a very good combination for her. | * Sportytrace is a 140 lb rider who needed to keep her Nightster low so she could keep her feet on the ground. We accomplished this by using the 13.5” 1200 S shocks which have a light 54/78 lb/in spring. The spring matched her weight, but in order to get her feet to the ground, we had to use 1” lowering blocks. This proved a very good combination for her. | ||
| - | * [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=164018|Sportytrace’s Nightster set up with Intiminators and lowered 1200S shocks]]. | + | * [[techtalk:evo:susp02a#s_shocks_on_a_08_1200n|Sportytrace’s Nightster set up with Intiminators and lowered 1200S shocks]]. |
| * Combining the 12-3/4” Road King air shocks with the 1” lower block is another good combination to carry a lot of weight while keeping the bike low. Be careful to not exceed the factory weight limitations of the bike itself. | * Combining the 12-3/4” Road King air shocks with the 1” lower block is another good combination to carry a lot of weight while keeping the bike low. Be careful to not exceed the factory weight limitations of the bike itself. | ||
| * There have been questions about how using lowering blocks affect the spring rate. The answer is it all depends on too many factors to predict accurately. I experimented with 1” lowering blocks. Some shocks smoothed out a little bit, others didn’t. | * There have been questions about how using lowering blocks affect the spring rate. The answer is it all depends on too many factors to predict accurately. I experimented with 1” lowering blocks. Some shocks smoothed out a little bit, others didn’t. | ||
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| * Spending the money for Intiminators is a good place to start, especially if you think your shocks are a bit too stiff. With the Intiminators, you might be able to reduce shock preload enough to make the shocks you have comfortable. | * Spending the money for Intiminators is a good place to start, especially if you think your shocks are a bit too stiff. With the Intiminators, you might be able to reduce shock preload enough to make the shocks you have comfortable. | ||
| * If you really want to ride aggressively, you will have to add better tires, I like the Avon Venom X’s, fork brace, Intiminators with drilled out compression damping holes, Works Dual Rate springs and high end shocks. So far Ohlins are the only shock I have not heard any complaints about. However, Ricor is still working on their inertia shocks. | * If you really want to ride aggressively, you will have to add better tires, I like the Avon Venom X’s, fork brace, Intiminators with drilled out compression damping holes, Works Dual Rate springs and high end shocks. So far Ohlins are the only shock I have not heard any complaints about. However, Ricor is still working on their inertia shocks. | ||
| - | ===== The Famous Wobble Thread ===== | + | ====== The Famous Wobble Thread ====== |
| * [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33294|The Famous XLF Wobble Thread]] | * [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33294|The Famous XLF Wobble Thread]] | ||
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| * If you have wire spoked wheels, you can tap the spokes with a small wrench. If they make a ring sound, they are tight, if they make a thud sound, they are loose. Tightening spokes improperly can warp the rim, if you don't know what you're doing, take it to somebody who does. | * If you have wire spoked wheels, you can tap the spokes with a small wrench. If they make a ring sound, they are tight, if they make a thud sound, they are loose. Tightening spokes improperly can warp the rim, if you don't know what you're doing, take it to somebody who does. | ||
| - | ===== More Links to XLF Suspension Threads ===== | + | ====== More Links to XLF Suspension Threads ====== |
