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techtalk:ref:tools140 [2018/10/21 18:38]
hippysmack [Getting the Right Dial Indicator]
techtalk:ref:tools140 [2024/01/24 04:09]
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 ====== Getting the Right Dial Indicator ====== ====== Getting the Right Dial Indicator ======
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 The dial indicator doesn'​t have to be expensive. \\ The dial indicator doesn'​t have to be expensive. \\
 It just has to be accurate, placed properly and to where the gauge body won't move. \\ It just has to be accurate, placed properly and to where the gauge body won't move. \\
-The indicator has to be held in place by the stem instead of the back cover. \\ +The indicator has to be held in place by the stem instead of the back cover to fit properly in the lifter hole. \\ 
-See below to temporarily change the backing plate for this application. \\+There is no room between the cylinder and the lifter hole for a mount in the rear of the indicator. \\ 
 +See below how to [[techtalk:​ref:​tools140#​temporary_backing_plate_mod|temporarily change the backing plate]] on some indicators ​for this application. \\
  
-|An indicator with the post attachment on the back will not fit in the lifter hole vertically. ((photos by Hippysmack))||Typical setup.|+|An indicator with the post attachment on the back will not fit in the lifter hole vertically. ((photos by Hippysmack))||Steel plate bolted against the gearcase cover for a \\ magnetic base holder and digital indicator((photo by Jorgen of the XLFORUM https://​www.xlforum.net/​forum/​sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/​sportster-motorcycle-bottom-end/​92792-cam-choices/​page4?​t=761410&​highlight=degreeing+cams&​page=4))|
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 The probe on the indicator has to be vertical to and inline with the lifter (or cam lobe) to give accurate readings. \\ The probe on the indicator has to be vertical to and inline with the lifter (or cam lobe) to give accurate readings. \\
 +Also to keep from bending the probe as the lifter rises. \\
 It can be placed in the center or on the outside lip of the lifter. \\ It can be placed in the center or on the outside lip of the lifter. \\
  
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 It gives more flexibility in setup. \\ It gives more flexibility in setup. \\
  
- +===== Temporary ​Indicator ​Backing Plate Mod =====
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-===== Temporary Backing Plate Mod =====+
 For dial indicators with the mount on the back cover, you can replace the cover with tape to allow more room between the indicator and the cylinders. For dial indicators with the mount on the back cover, you can replace the cover with tape to allow more room between the indicator and the cylinders.
  
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-|Tape the inside of the cover, then cut around it. Remove the circle piece of tape from the cover, place the sticky side up on the back of the indicator. \\ Then tape that down. This keeps the sticky side from getting stuck on internal moving parts.|||+|Tape the inside of the cover, then cut around it. Remove the circle piece of tape from the cover, place the sticky side up on the back of the indicator. \\ Then tape that down. This keeps the sticky side from getting stuck on internal moving parts. ​((photos by Hippysmack))|||
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 +====== Tool Posts / Indicator Holders ======
 +^Homemade indicator holder from Nylon flat stock ((photos by Hippysmack))^
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 +^Homemade indicator tool post from scrap steel and aluminum ((photos by Hippysmack))^
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 ====== Installing a Degree Wheel on the Pinion Shaft ====== ====== Installing a Degree Wheel on the Pinion Shaft ======
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   * The hole should be drilled with 2-3 stepped drill sizes and allowing the bushing to cool before each bigger size. \\ * Drilling with the final size pre-drill bit (first) will most likely end with the hole being too big to ream or to fit snug on the pinion shaft *   * The hole should be drilled with 2-3 stepped drill sizes and allowing the bushing to cool before each bigger size. \\ * Drilling with the final size pre-drill bit (first) will most likely end with the hole being too big to ream or to fit snug on the pinion shaft *
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 |Front faced and pre-drilled for a flat wheel mount. ((photo by Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1999633&​highlight=cam+degreeing&​page=7))|Piece turned 180° and pre-drilled. ((photo by Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1999633&​highlight=cam+degreeing&​page=7))|Final pre-drill with 35/64" bit. ((photo by Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1999633&​highlight=cam+degreeing&​page=7))| |Front faced and pre-drilled for a flat wheel mount. ((photo by Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1999633&​highlight=cam+degreeing&​page=7))|Piece turned 180° and pre-drilled. ((photo by Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1999633&​highlight=cam+degreeing&​page=7))|Final pre-drill with 35/64" bit. ((photo by Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1999633&​highlight=cam+degreeing&​page=7))|
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 |If made carefully, there is no need for a set screw on the nylon bushing. It's either the slip fit, chamfer on the inside rear of the hole from the drill bit, trapped air \\ when the bushing is installed, composition of the nylon or a combination of these things ​ that holds the bushing firm when pushed onto the pinion shaft. ((photos by Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1999633&​highlight=cam+degreeing&​page=7))||| |If made carefully, there is no need for a set screw on the nylon bushing. It's either the slip fit, chamfer on the inside rear of the hole from the drill bit, trapped air \\ when the bushing is installed, composition of the nylon or a combination of these things ​ that holds the bushing firm when pushed onto the pinion shaft. ((photos by Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1999633&​highlight=cam+degreeing&​page=7))|||
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