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techtalk:ref:wheels12 [2020/06/24 03:18]
hippysmack [Got the Caliper But What Size Master Cylinder to Use?]
techtalk:ref:wheels12 [2023/10/28 15:24]
hippysmack [REF: Wheels, Brakes & Tires]
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 ====== REF: Wheels, Brakes & Tires ====== ====== REF: Wheels, Brakes & Tires ======
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 +{{ :​common:​brakes-animation_by_graywolf.gif?​nolink |animation by Graywolf of the XLFORUM}} \\
 ====== Brake System Upgrades ====== ====== Brake System Upgrades ======
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   * 5/8" = 15.875mm   * 5/8" = 15.875mm
   * 3/4" = 19.05mm   * 3/4" = 19.05mm
 +  * 1-3/8" = 34.9mm
 +  * 1-3/4" = 44.5mm
 +  * 1-7/8" = 47.6mm
  
   * General rule of thumb when swapping master cylinders is: ((XLdaveR of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=786022))   * General rule of thumb when swapping master cylinders is: ((XLdaveR of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=786022))
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 You'll need to find the area of the piston(s) for the intended caliper used. The area is proportional to the square of the diameter. \\ You'll need to find the area of the piston(s) for the intended caliper used. The area is proportional to the square of the diameter. \\
 I.E, going from 2 caliper pistons to 4 caliper pistons (doubling the area), the diameter of the M/C should be multiplied by sqrt(2) = 1.4, not doubled. I.E, going from 2 caliper pistons to 4 caliper pistons (doubling the area), the diameter of the M/C should be multiplied by sqrt(2) = 1.4, not doubled.
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 +Example; \\
 +A stock setup with a 1/2" master and a single caliper with (2)-27mm pucks has a ratio of (9.03:1). \\
 +If you want to upgrade to a 2 caliper (4)-27mm system using the same 1/2" master, the ratio would now be (19.44:1). \\
 +That would be more of a touchy feel, easier to lock the brakes, possible lever hitting the bars before pressure builds sufficiently. \\
 +If you want it closer to what the factory ratio or maybe just a little more pressure but not real touchy, you could use a 11/16" bore master. \\
 +That puts the ratio at (9.55:1). You get less heat buildup with more pistons and slightly higher ratio. \\
 +The Moco actually used a 14mm master with the (4)-27mm dual caliper setup with a ratio of (14.87:1). \\
  
 Using the master to caliper ratio chart below, you can see the ratios between the stock setup and what you want to upgrade to. \\ Using the master to caliper ratio chart below, you can see the ratios between the stock setup and what you want to upgrade to. \\
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 ^50mm (4)|7854.00|100.00|82.64|69.44|62.00|59.17|51.02|49.62|44.44|39.68|39.06|32.79|27.70| ^50mm (4)|7854.00|100.00|82.64|69.44|62.00|59.17|51.02|49.62|44.44|39.68|39.06|32.79|27.70|
  
 +====== Non Sportster HD Master Cylinders ======
 +
 +  * [[techtalk:​ref:​wheels12a|List of (Non Sportster) HD Front Master Cylinders]]
 +  * [[techtalk:​ref:​wheels12b|VROD Brembo Caliper Install on 2007 883L]]
 +  * [[techtalk:​ref:​wheels12c|XR1200 brakes on a 2007 1200R]]
 +
 +
 +====== Brembo Calipers ======
  
-====== Brembo ====== 
  
 ===== 4 Piston Brembo ===== ===== 4 Piston Brembo =====
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 {{:​techtalk:​ref:​wheels:​vrod_brembo_front_caliper_rebuild_1_by_bassboy311.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by bassboy311 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1127805)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​wheels:​vrod_brembo_front_caliper_rebuild_2_by_bassboy311.jpg?​direct&​250|}} ((photo by bassboy311 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1127805)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​wheels:​vrod_brembo_front_caliper_rebuild_3_by_bassboy311.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by bassboy311 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1127805)) \\ {{:​techtalk:​ref:​wheels:​vrod_brembo_front_caliper_rebuild_1_by_bassboy311.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by bassboy311 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1127805)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​wheels:​vrod_brembo_front_caliper_rebuild_2_by_bassboy311.jpg?​direct&​250|}} ((photo by bassboy311 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1127805)) {{:​techtalk:​ref:​wheels:​vrod_brembo_front_caliper_rebuild_3_by_bassboy311.jpg?​direct&​300|}} ((photo by bassboy311 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1127805)) \\
  
-====== GMA ======+====== GMA Calipers ​======
  
 ===== GMA-200E ===== ===== GMA-200E =====
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   * **Not recommended for use with imported stainless steel rotors**. ​   * **Not recommended for use with imported stainless steel rotors**. ​
  
 +|GMA 4-pot calipers on a 1977 XLH ((photo by BLIGHT of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=667563&​page=3))|GMA 4-pot calipers on a 1978 XLH ((photos by ericfreeman of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=667563&​page=3)) \\ Custom brake lines & angled banjo adapter to make bleeding the calipers easier.||
 +|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​wheels:​1977_xlh_w_gma_caliper_by_blight.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​wheels:​1978_xlh_w_gma_caliper_pic1_by_ericfreeman.jpg?​direct&​300|}}| {{:​techtalk:​ref:​wheels:​1978_xlh_w_gma_caliper_pic2_by_ericfreeman.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|
  
- +====== Wilwood ​Calipers ​====== 
- +  * [[techtalk:​ref:​wheels12g|Wilwood GP-310 Brake Caliper on 1996 XL1200]]
-====== Wilwood ====== +
 ===== 4 Piston Wilwood ===== ===== 4 Piston Wilwood =====
  
-GP310 Front (1984-1999) ​((https://​www.wilwood.com/​Calipers/​CaliperProd?​itemno=120-7737-BK)) \\+GP310 Front (1984-1999) ​[[https://​www.wilwood.com/​Calipers/​CaliperProd?​itemno=120-7737-BK|See link here]] ​\\
 Wilwood'​s GP310 motorcycle disc brake caliper has been designed and engineered for use on 1984 to 1999 Harley-Davidson Motorcycles. \\  Wilwood'​s GP310 motorcycle disc brake caliper has been designed and engineered for use on 1984 to 1999 Harley-Davidson Motorcycles. \\ 
 Built around a 4-piston, high performance powerhouse, this billet aluminum caliper brings distinctive,​ bolt-on styling: \\ Built around a 4-piston, high performance powerhouse, this billet aluminum caliper brings distinctive,​ bolt-on styling: \\
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 Suggested Rotor Diameter: 11" to 11-1/​2"​ \\ Suggested Rotor Diameter: 11" to 11-1/​2"​ \\
 Rotor Width: 0.18" to 0.25" \\ Rotor Width: 0.18" to 0.25" \\
 +Brake Pads:
 +  * Wilwood Part# (6208) [[https://​www.wilwood.com/​BrakePads/​BrakePadsList?​padtype=6208|See link here]]
 +    * Thickness (in): .30
 +    * Pad Area (in²): 3.65
 +    * Pad Volume (in³): 0.63 
  
 +  * Galfer pads: ((bplinson of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=73101))
 +    * FD068G1054 = Organic
 +    * FD068G1375 = Sintered
 +  * EBC:
 +    * FA95 = Organic
 +    * FA95HH = Sintered
 +A couple of handy phone numbers: \\
 +Wilwood (805) 388-1188 \\
 +Galfer (800) 685-6633 \\
 +Caliper Bolt Torque (per Wilwood): 22 ft-lbs \\
  
-====== Non Sportster HD Master Cylinders ====== 
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-  * [[techtalk:​ref:​wheels12j|List of (Non Sportster) HD Front Master Cylinders]]