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 ====== IH: Engine Mechanicals - Sub-01B ======
-====== Ironhead Drain Plugs ======
+====== Engine Case Numbers ======
-===== '76 and Earlier Cases =====
+The numbers on the bottom of the cases are commonly called the "belly" numbers or "line bore" numbers, and they should be under the flywheels. ((Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=575658&page=2)) \\
+If your bike has "born together" cases, the numbers on each case half should match. \\
+These numbers have nothing to do with your gasket set or anything else.
-  * **The plug on the bottom left of the photo is the primary drain plug**. ((Shadowdog500 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=806833&highlight=drilling+tapping+drain&page=2))
+Other relevant numbers on the motor is the VIN, also called engine number or serial number, and can be found on a pad in the "V" between the cylinders. \\
-    * It is only used when draining the primary / tranny oil.
+Motor numbers are on the left side of the motor from 1957-1969 and on the right side of the motor from 1970-1985. \\
-  * **The one above it in the photo is for the transmission**. ((Shadowdog500 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=806833&highlight=drilling+tapping+drain&page=2))
-    * Since the transmission shares the same fluid with the primary, and the primary plug is lower than the tranny drain plug, there is no reason to remove this one.
-  * **The plug to the right center of the photo is the (crankcase drain plug)**. This is the one everyone has problems with. ((Shadowdog500 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=806833&highlight=drilling+tapping+drain&page=2))
-    * (It has been said that ) this plug was never meant to be an actual case drain (in street engines). It's purpose has been somewhat of a debate. ((piniongear of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=806833&highlight=drilling+tapping+drain)) See more below.
-|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:ih_drain_plugs_by_shadowdog500.jpg?direct&400|}}|
+From 1957-1969, motorcycles were titled to the engine only. Starting in 1970, motorcycles were titled to the frame instead of the engine. \\
-|  Drain plugs in a '75 case ((photo by Shadowdog500 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=806833&highlight=drilling+tapping+drain&page=2))  |
+But if your frame and motor were born together the numbers will match (and possibly save you title hassles). \\
-  * **Primary Drain Plug**: 1/2"x20x1/2" ((Scooter_Trash of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1616804))
+There are also casting numbers in various places on the engine and frame, but they are not motor numbers. These do not indicate the year of your bike, only the date the cast was made. \\
+So, for instance, on a 70s bike, there are still quite a few -52 (the first year of the K model) numbers. \\
+(leading the uniformed to advertise all sorts of later model parts as K parts 0 \\
-**So, if the only plug out of the three you'll ever need to remove (theoretically) is the primary drain plug, what is the purpose for the other two plugs**?
+Decoding the motor number / VIN will tell you the year of the motor and hence the gasket set you should buy. \\
+Often, riders add later parts, especially items like transmission doors and oil pumps because the later castings have been improved. \\
+Just because you have a later casting number on a part of the motor does not mean you have a later motor though. \\
-  * ** Transmission Drain Plug**: 1/2"x13
+====== Belly Numbers ======
-  * **Crankcase Drain Plug**: 1/2"x13 ((sevenyears of famine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1461031&highlight=stripped+primary+drain))
-  * The drain on the pre1977 [non-mini sump] engine is under the flywheels, and was intended as a case drain. ((Racepres of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1950691)) \\ The 57 and 59 parts catalogs do specify "crankcase drain plug" while all others just read "drain plug" in the crankcase sections. ((hippysmack))
-    * We used either the pre'77 or we put one into '77-+ cases so that when racing, we could pull the plug in the pits to see how much oil was in the bottom end...helping to determine how much more restriction or bypass of feed oil we needed to eliminate, because the oil pump could not get rid of it. ((Racepres of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1950691))
-    * If you are not requiring that knowledge, or don't intend to do anything about it anyway.
-  * According to one theory, the hole was needed for the casting and machining process only and the plug was never meant to be removed after it was installed at the factory. The MoCo couldn't provide information on exactly how the hole was used during the manufacturing process because AMF did not keep good records and also a lot of records were lost during the transition back from AMF. ((Shadowdog500 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=806833&highlight=drilling+tapping+drain&page=4))
-  * Another theory is that people think the plug under the crankcase is a drain plug like you find on a car's oil pan and they remove it to drain excess oil collected in the case. ((piniongear of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=806833&highlight=drilling+tapping+drain))
-    * However, dry sump engines, like Harleys, drain from the oil tank, not the crank case. ((Tracker of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1512540&highlight=drilling+tapping+drain)) Draining your oil tank and refilling it there is all we need to do for changing our oil. The amount of oil sitting in the bottom of the cases is trivial, and that lower drain plug is notorious for stripping and not worth the hassle. ((antsap of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1512540&highlight=drilling+tapping+drain))
-    * A car is a wet sump system which most people are familiar with.
-    * Once removed, the plug will not tighten up again because the crumbly threads have stripped out.
-    * Right behind the plug sits the flywheels.
-    * You have about 3/8" of air space between the wheels and the end of the plug. So a tap is not going to be able to get through to establish new threads.
-    * The best way to fix this correctly is to dismantle the entire engine and split the cases. Then you can tap out the hole but a better fix is to weld it over.
-    * Most people just use JB Weld to do their fix (?) and let it go at that.
-  * The depression in the pic below is from the boss on the plug smashing the case on over tightening. \\ Then, one time when the plug got removed, that piece of stressed aluminum broke free. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1864035&highlight=stripped+threads&page=6))
-  * The same thing can happen to the threads. They can break free upon removal of the plug for the same reasoning above.
-|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:1967_crankcase_drain_1_by_ss396.jpg?direct&400|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:1967_crankcase_drain_2_by_ss396.jpg?direct&400|}}|
-|  Crankcase Drain Plug on a 1967 XLCH  ((photo by ss396 og the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1864035&highlight=stripped+threads&page=5))  ||
-  * Note that there will be no seal effect here because there is no surface for the plug boss to contact. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1864035&highlight=stripped+threads&page=6))
-    * Oil will travel past the thread gaps and with no sealing surface, it will leak.
-    * That means a gasket may not effect a seal as there is not much for the gasket to squeeze against.
-    * In this case, some kind of pliable sealer (one that won't rip the threads out if you need to remove the plug again) smeared on the threads of the plug before installing it may work.
-    * If you use Teflon tape, you'll need to reduce the torque applied to the plug to keep from overloading the threads with wrench force.
-===== Oil leaking around crankcase oil drain plug =====
-  * 1st thing to do is to make sure its the plug. It can be the case seam near the plug. If it is the latter, don't mess with the plug. Look for a weeping case seam and cracks between the plug threads and the case seam. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1864035&highlight=Ironhead+Crankcase+Drain+Plug))
-|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:ih_oil_drain_plug_1_by_ss396.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:ih_oil_drain_plug_2_by_ss396.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:ih_oil_drain_plug_3_by_ss396.jpg?direct&300|}}|
-|Leak around oil drain plug. ((photo by ss396 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1864035&highlight=Ironhead+Crankcase+Drain+Plug)) In this instance, the case seam appears to be weeping oil.|||
-<blockquote>If your plug is a factory unit, and you can spin it in or out (once initial torque is broken) all the way by hand, you have no problems. As long as you don't over tighten it. Clean and install the plug with blue locktite. Then don't tempt fate again by removing it. If you want to try to remove / break plug loose, use 1/8 turn max. If you can spin out by hand see above. If it gets too tight to remove by hand after the initial 1/8 turn, GINGERLY put the wrench to it. If you feel even the slightest unusual resistance- stop (personally what I'd do is use a 5/8 deep socket only (no ratchet) in my hand. If I can get it out by doing that I MAY be safe for a no hassle re-install). Get whatever sealant you feel comfortable with in the small gap. then re-tighten GENTLY. (( Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2001890))
-UNDERSTAND THE PLUG DESTROYS THREAD INTEGRITY IN CASE ON REMOVAL. The thread may look ok but if they arent--- you will know on re-torque. If you have a brass flanged washer on your plug, be very suspect of messing with it. These washers were used on XLH oil tank drains. That means someone has installed one on your drain plug. That can't happen unless the plug has been removed. Remember its ham fisted plug r&r that causes striped plugs. Think hard about that when looking at your brass washer.(( Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2001890))
-</blockquote>
-  * This one is cracked across to the edge of the case.
-|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:1968_drain_plug_crack_by_nakina.jpg?direct&300|}}|
-|  Cracked case at the crankcase drain plug on a 1968 XLCH  ((photo by nakina of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1974050&highlight=stripped+threads))  |
-===== L69-E71 cases =====
-Late 1969, all 1970 and some early 71 cases came with no motor drains from the factory. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1595420)) \\
-|1969 XLCH with no sump drains. ((photo by ironheadjunkie of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1595420))|
-|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:69_xlch_2_by_ironheadjunkie.jpg?direct&300|}}|
-===== '77 and Later Cases =====
-|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:1977_case_drain_plug_1_by_bobbystat.jpg?direct&400|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:1977_case_drain_plug_2_by_bobbystat.jpg?direct&400|}}|
-|  Case Drain Plug on a 1977 engine ((photos by bobbystat of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1950691))  ||
-|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:1978_drain_plugs_by_ironmick.jpg?direct&400|}}|
-|  Case & Tranny Drain Plugs on a 1978 engine ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=806833&highlight=drilling+tapping+drain&page=2))  |

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