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techtalk:ih:engmech07a [2019/12/04 23:12]
hippysmack [Timing the 76< Breather Valve]
techtalk:ih:engmech07a [2019/12/06 06:26] (current)
hippysmack [Timing the Breather Valve]
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 The breather valve must be retimed if disengaged from the oil pump (spherical) drive gear on the pinion shaft. \\ The breather valve must be retimed if disengaged from the oil pump (spherical) drive gear on the pinion shaft. \\
  
-**Find ​the advance timing mark on the flywheel**\\ +====== Finding ​the advance timing mark on the flywheel ​====== 
-The single vertical line in most ironhead motors indicates the advance mark used for timing with a timing light. ((72 Ironhead XLH of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1731068)) ​\\ + 
-This line is also used for setting the breather and has nothing to do with pinion gear marks, cam marks or TDC of the pistons. \\+{{:​techtalk:​ih:​engctl:​timing_mark_1_by_finkrod67_annotated_by_hippysmack.jpg?​direct&​300 |}}  ​ 
 +The flywheel needs to be positioned so the advance timing mark on the front cylinder is in the timing window. ((photo by FinkRod67 of the XLFORUM annotated by Hippysmack http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1427992)) ​The single vertical line in most ironhead motors indicates the advance mark used for timing with a timing light. ((72 Ironhead XLH of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1731068)) This line is also used for setting the breather and has nothing to do with pinion gear marks, cam marks or TDC of the pistons. \\
  
 The FSM says to remove the timing plug, rotate the engine until the advance timing mark is centered in the timing hole. \\ The FSM says to remove the timing plug, rotate the engine until the advance timing mark is centered in the timing hole. \\
-However, any particular bike may not have the original flywheels. So it is most important to always do a simple check to verify which mark to use on the flywheel. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1731068)) \\+See also [[techtalk:​ih:​engctl01#​timing_marks|Timing Marks]] in the IH section of the Sportsterpedia for the correct factory advance marks. \\ 
 +\\ \\ \\ \\ \\  
 +**However, any particular bike may not have the original flywheels**. So it is most important to always do a simple check to verify which mark to use on the flywheel. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1731068)) ​\\ 
 +Aftermarket flywheels have been know to have the timing marks cut wrong also. \\
 Pull the front spark plug, and using a wooden dowel or a drinking straw, feel the piston come up as you rotate the engine. ((shovithead of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1731068)) \\ Pull the front spark plug, and using a wooden dowel or a drinking straw, feel the piston come up as you rotate the engine. ((shovithead of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1731068)) \\
 Before it gets to the top, the advance mark will show. As the piston hits the top of the stroke, the TDC mark will come up. \\ Before it gets to the top, the advance mark will show. As the piston hits the top of the stroke, the TDC mark will come up. \\
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 Earlier, is advanced. So the first mark to come up, is the advance mark. Some later bikes are reversed, so the type of mark is not consistant, but the geometry is. \\ Earlier, is advanced. So the first mark to come up, is the advance mark. Some later bikes are reversed, so the type of mark is not consistant, but the geometry is. \\
 Normally. a single vertical line is the advance timing mark on earlier ironheads, not the dot. \\ Normally. a single vertical line is the advance timing mark on earlier ironheads, not the dot. \\
 +
 +To state it another way, rotate the motor forward until the front piston tops out. ((ryder rick of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1936552&​page=4)) \\
 +Check the mark, that is front TDC. \\
 +Now slowly rotate the motor backwards and the first mark you come to will be the front (advanced) timing mark for timing the breather valve. \\
 +This will work on any flywheels ever made. \\
 Lock the engine when you've found the advance timing mark so the engine doesn'​t rotate and lose that position. \\ Lock the engine when you've found the advance timing mark so the engine doesn'​t rotate and lose that position. \\
  
 +====== Timing the Breather Valve ======
 +
 +  * **Caution**:​ \\
 +    * Improper breather timing causes poor oil scavenging from flywheel cavity and incorrect crankcase air pressure. ((http://​nightrider.com/​biketech/​download/​ssmanuals/​sportster_stroker.pdf)) \\ These conditions may cause unwarranted engine oil leaks around gaskets and seals and probable oil burning due to oil blow by past the piston rings.
 +    * Improper pinion gear spacing may cause incorrect breather timing and poor oil scavenging from flywheel cavity. \\ This condition may cause unwarranted engine oil leaks around gaskets and seals and probable oil burning due to oil blow by past piston rings.
 +    * Improper pinion gear spacing may cause unwarranted contact between pinion gear shim and pinion shaft splines resulting in damage to gear cover and / or other engine components.
 +
 +Rotate the engine to get the advanced timing mark in the timing window as above. \\
 Remove the pinion shaft gear, and turn the engine so the mark on the oil pump drive on the shaft is pointing straight up. \\ Remove the pinion shaft gear, and turn the engine so the mark on the oil pump drive on the shaft is pointing straight up. \\
 +See the [[techtalk:​ref:​tools133|Pinion Gear Tools]] in the REF section of the Sportsterpedia for some helpful ideas on a gear puller / remover. \\
 The pump drive gear is a slip fit over splines on the pinion shaft. \\ A mark is cut on one side of it which should face outward against the pinion gear when installed. \\ The pump drive gear is a slip fit over splines on the pinion shaft. \\ A mark is cut on one side of it which should face outward against the pinion gear when installed. \\
 Line up the timing hole on the breather sleeve gear on the oil pump to be in the notch (window) in the front. It may take a few tries to roll it into place. \\ Line up the timing hole on the breather sleeve gear on the oil pump to be in the notch (window) in the front. It may take a few tries to roll it into place. \\
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 It is not uncommon to have the DOT slightly to the left just entering the notch of the pump. ((Monte03 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=170686&​page=2)) \\ It is not uncommon to have the DOT slightly to the left just entering the notch of the pump. ((Monte03 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=170686&​page=2)) \\
  
-Then reinstall the pinion gear. It should have one larger spline to engage the shaft and it can only go on one way and have the line facing out. ((chevelle of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=170686&​page=3)) \\+**Then reinstall the pinion gear**. It should have one larger spline to engage the shaft and it can only go on one way and have the line facing out. ((chevelle of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=170686&​page=3)) ​\\ 
 +It's a light press fit onto the pinion shaft. ​\\
 You can heat the gear up in a grill, oven or with a propane torch just enough to make it expand enough to slide it back on the pinion shaft. \\ You can heat the gear up in a grill, oven or with a propane torch just enough to make it expand enough to slide it back on the pinion shaft. \\
 +It should not be heated to 'red hot' but just enough to allow it to expand some. \\
 +
 +{{:​techtalk:​ih:​engmech:​pre-77_installing_pinion_gear_by_canadiantux.jpg?​direct&​300 |}}
 +The pinion gear should be installed onto the shaft so that the outer face of the gear is 5/16" outboard of the gasket surface. ((needspeed of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=5792984#​post5792984)) ((photo by CanadianTux of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1708831&​page=11)) \\
 +In that position the oil pump drive gear has a lot of end play between the shaft shoulder and the back of the pinion gear as shown in your picture. \\
 +When the engine runs the drive gear is thrust against the back of the pinion gear. \\
 +So if you time the pump with the gear in the opposite direction pushed against the shaft shoulder it's very easy to get the lineup off a tooth. \\
 +If you are going to pull the pinion gear off you'll need to determine the position where the drive gear will end up with the pinion gear installed. \\
 +Measuring from the gasket surface the length of the gear minus 5/16" should do it. \\
  
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