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| ====== IH: Oiling & Lubrication - Sub-03F ====== | ====== IH: Oiling & Lubrication - Sub-03F ====== | ||
| ====== 57-76 Oil Pump - Individual Parts and Pics ====== | ====== 57-76 Oil Pump - Individual Parts and Pics ====== | ||
| - | ===== 1957-E1962 ===== | + | ===== Sub Documents ===== |
| + | * [[techtalk:ref:engmech04k|Breather Valves (1957-Up)]] (list of breather valve changes) | ||
| + | * [[techtalk:ref:engmech07g|Further Study of the Timed Breather Valve]] | ||
| - | * All these use 16t gear sets and style 1 plumbing ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | ====== Oil Check Ball and Spring ====== |
| - | * Gear Dia. (1.115" OD) | + | See also [[techtalk:ih:oil03g#check_ball_seat_repair|Check ball seat repair]] in the IH Oil Pump section of the Sportsterpedia. \\ |
| - | * Feed gears (.185" thick) | + | |
| - | * The production changes made during its run: ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | |
| - | * 57-e58 baseline pump that all others came from. \\ No oil seal. \\ Uses a snap ring and a full profile woodruff key at scavenge gear. | + | |
| - | * L58-59 same as above but now has body machined for a oil seal. | + | |
| - | * 60-e62 same as L58-59 but the retaining ring at the scavenge is replaced by half moon retainers. \\ The scavenge drive gear is counter-bored for these half moons and the woodruff key is shortened so it won't interfere with the half moons. | + | |
| - | ===== L1962-1971 ===== | + | The oil pump check ball is in the front of the oil pump. It's a spring and a steel ball set up. \\ |
| + | The red area in the pic below is the spring & ball sit. \\ | ||
| - | * All these used 14t gears & scavenge sets got taller than the previous 16's were. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | Used until mid 1958, the tail of check fits inside the hollow center guide bore of the fitting. ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/129161-while-waiting-on-the-paint-to-dry-and-we-thought-it-was-the-ballcheck/page2?t=1347614&page=2)) \\ |
| - | * Gear Dia. (.990" OD) | + | Note that there is no inner face seal surface on the fitting to further isolate the pressure switch port from the 'backside' of the check. \\ |
| - | * Feed gears (.216" thick) | + | |
| - | * All use half moons and shortened key on scavenge drive. | + | |
| - | * Bodies made till '66 are for style 1 plumbing. | + | |
| - | * In '67, the body gets tapped for the external feed fitting for use on 67-69 XLH. This is when style2 plumbing started. | + | |
| - | * Bodies tapped for style2 were still used on the last 3 yrs (67-69 xlch) of style1 cases. | + | |
| - | * A plug is put in this new hole if body got used on a style1 case set. | + | |
| - | ===== 1972-1976 ===== | + | {{:techtalk:ih:oil:57-76_oil_pump_check_valve_location_by_ironheadjunkie_annotated_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by ironheadjunkie of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/137313-flywheel-plug-oil-pump-check-valve?t=1490437)) \\ |
| - | * These go back to 16t gears and a snap ring with long key ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | {{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_pump_check_spring_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_pump_check_ball_57-58_sportster_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} \\ |
| - | * Gear Dia. (1.115" OD) | + | |
| - | * Feed gears (.185" thick) | + | |
| - | * Feed gears are the same as 57-e62 but the scavenge set is now wider again (wider than any of the previous sets). | + | |
| - | * Breather gear gets enlarged slots in it. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | |
| - | * Breather timing: | + | |
| - | * Open 20-25 deg ATDC Front CYL ((thefrenchowl of the XLFORUM® http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=989934)) | + | |
| - | * Close 85-90 deg ABDC Front CYL ((thefrenchowl of the XLFORUM® http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=989934)) | + | |
| - | * Body and breather housing get an extra hole (2 holes now) drilled in them for additional return capacity, cases also get extra matching hole. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | |
| - | * Solid feed gear drive pin gets replaced by the hated roll pin. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | |
| - | * Dowels between body and breather housing are now history. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | |
| - | * Each complete pump breaks down into these components: ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | There were 3 springs used from 52-76. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/154753-oil-pump-spring-wake-up-call/page2?t=1661356&page=2)) \\ |
| - | - Breather or sleeve gear-has the 2 slots in it | + | |
| - | - Breather gear housing- cast iron part that breather rides in | + | |
| - | - Feed gear set and drive pin (the skinnier of the 2 gear sets) | + | |
| - | - Pump body | + | |
| - | - Scavenge gear set and drive key and retaining clip. | + | |
| - | + | ||
| - | ====== Check Spring ====== | + | |
| - | There were 3 springs used from 52-76. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1661356&page=2)) \\ | + | |
| (52-56 also used a second valve- pressure relief). \\ | (52-56 also used a second valve- pressure relief). \\ | ||
| - 52-E57: (26363-36) | - 52-E57: (26363-36) | ||
| - L57-E72: (26364-57) | - L57-E72: (26364-57) | ||
| - | * Wire length: 1-15/64" ((The Doctor71 of the XLFORUM of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1661356)) | + | * Wire length: 1-15/64" ((The Doctor71 of the XLFORUM of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/154753-oil-pump-spring-wake-up-call?t=1661356)) |
| - | * Wire O.D.: ≈ 0.0250" ((The Doctor71 of the XLFORUM of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1661356)) | + | * Wire O.D.: ≈ 0.0250" ((The Doctor71 of the XLFORUM of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/154753-oil-pump-spring-wake-up-call?t=1661356)) |
| - L72-76 (26364-72) | - L72-76 (26364-72) | ||
| - | * Wire length: 1-7/16" ((The Doctor71 of the XLFORUM of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1661356)) | + | * Wire length: 1-7/16" ((The Doctor71 of the XLFORUM of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/154753-oil-pump-spring-wake-up-call?t=1661356)) |
| - | * Wire O.D.: ≈ 0.0250" ((The Doctor71 of the XLFORUM of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1661356)) | + | * Wire O.D.: ≈ 0.0250" ((The Doctor71 of the XLFORUM of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/154753-oil-pump-spring-wake-up-call?t=1661356)) |
| This is suppose to be a NOS 67 Pump Spring. \\ | This is suppose to be a NOS 67 Pump Spring. \\ | ||
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| Wire Gauge = .024" | Wire Gauge = .024" | ||
| |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:1967_oil_pump_spring_by_monte03.jpg?direct&300|}}| | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:1967_oil_pump_spring_by_monte03.jpg?direct&300|}}| | ||
| - | | 67 oil pump spring. ((photo by Monte03 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=823881&page=3))| | + | | 67 oil pump spring. ((photo by Monte03 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/97533-no-oil-to-topend/page3?t=823881&page=3))| |
| |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_pump_check_spring_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_pump_check_springs_by_fergerburger.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_pump_check_springs_by_the_doctor71.jpg?direct&300|}}| | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_pump_check_spring_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_pump_check_springs_by_fergerburger.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_pump_check_springs_by_the_doctor71.jpg?direct&300|}}| | ||
| - | | 52-E57 ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1661356&page=2)) | (L) L57-E72 - (R) L72-76 ((photo by fergerburger of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1661356)) | (Bottom) L57-E72 - (Top) L72-76 ((photo by The Doctor71 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1661356)) | | + | | 52-E57 ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/154753-oil-pump-spring-wake-up-call/page2?t=1661356&page=2)) | (L) L57-E72 - (R) L72-76 ((photo by fergerburger of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/154753-oil-pump-spring-wake-up-call?t=1661356)) | (Bottom) L57-E72 - (Top) L72-76 ((photo by The Doctor71 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/154753-oil-pump-spring-wake-up-call?t=1661356)) | |
| - | ====== Breather Gears ====== | + | |
| - | (Missing are the -'56 breather gear and long full profile woodruff scavenge drive key and snap-ring). ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) | + | ====== Rear Feed Nipple or Plug ====== |
| + | Starting in 1967, the oil feed from the tank was plumbed directly into the oil pump on the rear side on XLH motors. \\ | ||
| + | The feed from the tank stayed plumbed to the top of the rear case on XLCH motors thru 1969. \\ | ||
| + | In 1970, the feed on XLCH motors was now plumbed to the oil pump as well. The feed nipple (63533-41) is a 1/8"-27 x 3/8" Bose barb fitting. \\ | ||
| - | |Breather Gears ((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204)) |Some of amf's signature quality control. \\ These are 3 - 72 breather gears.((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204))|A closer view((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204))| | + | Using the same pump for both XLH and XLCH, this required a pipe plug installed there for XLCH motors from 1967-1969. \\ |
| - | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:breather_gears_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:breather_gears_2_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:breather_gears_3_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}| | + | The plug is a 1/8"-27 NPT pipe plug. 2 part numbers were used and both are interchangeable. \\ |
| + | Part# (45831-48) used from 1967-1968 while part# (45830-48) used in 1969. \\ | ||
| + | 1952-1956 K models also had a feed line plug there in the parts book part# (26424-52). \\ | ||
| - | |The 2 different breather housings((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204))|Feed Gear Sets((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204))|More often than not the solid pin was a slipfit in cross hole.((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204))| | + | | Oil pump on 1967 XLCH w/ feed plug ((photo by ss396 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/173827-crankcase-drain-plug/page4?t=1864035&page=4)) | |
| - | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:breather_housings_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:feed_gear_sets_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:roll_pin-solid_pin_sets_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&400|}}| | + | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:1967_xlch_oil_pump_1_by_ss396.jpg?direct&300|}}| |
| - | |On to the bodies. The 2nd text is "26217-56a L58-e62"((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204))|| | + | ====== Breather Gears ====== |
| - | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_pump2-2_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&400|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_pump2-2-_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}| | + | (Missing below is the -'56 breather gear and long full profile woodruff scavenge drive key and snap-ring). ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/112326-a-photo-catalog-of-ironhead-parts/page14?postcount=204#post2437070)) |
| - | |The 4 different scavenge gear sets. \\ Lined up from early in foreground to later in background. \\ This is to show the height progression.((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204))|Top view of all 4 sets.((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204))|A closer view of the height changes.((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3272806&postcount=204))| | + | |Breather Gears ((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/112326-a-photo-catalog-of-ironhead-parts/page14?postcount=204#post2437070)) |Some of amf's signature quality control. \\ These are 3 - 72 breather gears.((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/112326-a-photo-catalog-of-ironhead-parts/page14?postcount=204#post2437070))|A closer view((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/112326-a-photo-catalog-of-ironhead-parts/page14?postcount=204#post2437070))| |
| - | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:scavaenge_gear_sets_1_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:scavaenge_gear_sets_2_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:scavaenge_gear_sets_3_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}| | + | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:breather_gears_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:breather_gears_2_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:breather_gears_3_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}| |
| + | |The 2 different breather housings((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/112326-a-photo-catalog-of-ironhead-parts/page14?postcount=204#post2437070))|Feed Gear Sets((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/112326-a-photo-catalog-of-ironhead-parts/page14?postcount=204#post2437070))| | ||
| + | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:breather_housings_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:feed_gear_sets_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}| | ||
| + | |More often than not the solid pin was a slipfit in cross hole.((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/112326-a-photo-catalog-of-ironhead-parts/page14?postcount=204#post2437070))| | ||
| + | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:roll_pin-solid_pin_sets_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}| | ||
| + | |On to the bodies. The 2nd text is "26217-56a L58-e62"((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/112326-a-photo-catalog-of-ironhead-parts/page14?postcount=204#post2437070))|| | ||
| + | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_pump2-2_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_pump2-2-_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&200|}}| | ||
| + | |The 4 different scavenge gear sets. \\ Lined up from early in foreground to later in background. \\ This is to show the height progression.((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/112326-a-photo-catalog-of-ironhead-parts/page14?postcount=204#post2437070))|Top view of all 4 sets.((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/112326-a-photo-catalog-of-ironhead-parts/page14?postcount=204#post2437070))|A closer view of the height changes.((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/112326-a-photo-catalog-of-ironhead-parts/page14?postcount=204#post2437070))| | ||
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