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IH: Oiling & Lubrication - Sub-03H

77-85 Oil Pump Assembly

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Build Kits / Parts

No build kit was ever assembled / sold from the factory according to the parts catalogs. So individual pieces were sold.
You can search individual part numbers on the net for seals and gaskets.
Or you can search for aftermarket parts / kits. MAKE SURE THE SEALS MATCH YOUR PUMP when using aftermarket parts. Current “kits” tend to have “current parts” in the them.
The “current” oil pump is the L83-85 pump (sold for 77-85 when the 77-E83 pump was discontinued).
If you have the older style pump, the L83-85 seal between the plates won't work on the earlier plate as it is pressed into it's matching plate.

Or James Gaskets makes a seal kit (JGI-77-XL).

  • It appears to come with:
    • Pump to case gasket
    • Pump cover O-ring
    • (2) separator plate seals (77-E83 and L83-85)
    • Both check valve O-rings
    • Retainer ring
    • Pump housing pin

Outer plate Seal (12036A)

Seal (12036A) fits the 83-85 outer plate. 1)

Installing the Oil Pump

Prior to installing the pump

It is assumed that before installing the oil pump, it has been opened up, inspected, measured for wear, lubed and reassembled.
This is normal maintenance for a gerotor type oil pump and should be done from time to time especially if you have no personal history with the oil pump.
If you just bought the bike or oil pump, never assume this has already been done by the P.O. or whoever you bought it from.

Make sure the internals match the pump housing and cover before installing a gerotor oil pump on an Ironhead.
There were basically 2 different style oil pumps from 1977 to 1985; (1977-E1983 style and L1983-1985 style).
There were many part number changes for pump assemblies which mainly amounted to hose fitting changes although there were housing changes also.
But a big no-no is mixing internals of the two different styles of pumps without the knowledge of what the factory changes were.
The part numbers are not cast or stamped into the oil pump or it's internals so you cannot match parts catalog numbers to a used oil pump.
Rule of thumb (from the MoCo):
Any 1977-1985 oil pump can be mated to 1977-1985 cases as a unit. Mixing internal parts gets a little tricky though.
77-E83 gerotors can be used in L83 and up pumps. L83 gerotors can only be used in L83 style pumps.
Click Here to read more specific information on the L83 oil pump changes.

There were 2 different outer separator plates (next to the feed gerotors) used from 77-85 with different IDs.
Each has it's own type gearshaft seal that must be used with it.
Each plate will fit any 77-85 oil pump as a set with it's specific seal (can't mix and match gearshaft seals).

One problem with assembling an IH gerotor pump is the roll pin in the housing. The lower (outer) spacer plate has a slit cut into it that goes around that pin. 2)
The spring pressure pushes this connection outward and with a loose cover, the outer plate will spin over the top of the pin.
If the plate rides on the end of the pin when the cover is installed then tightened down, this will lock the pump to the point of damage with the motor running.
Best to assemble the pump with duct tape until you get it mounted to keep the spacer from moving.
Else the pump can lock up once the bolts are in due to the washer not being sunk into the housing properly.

Gearshaft resistance

Once the oil pump is installed and tightened up, the gears will be hard to turn by hand.
This is normal and because of the spring washer between the upper and lower plates.
In fact, with the pump removed from the engine, assembled with all internals (a couple nuts and bolts to clamp the cover to the housing);
1977-1990 oil pumps have to be turned with 2 fingers… and some guff. It will be difficult (but doable) to turn.
1991-up oil pumps can be spun using 1 finger to roll the gearshaft around.

If you were to remove the spring between the plates on 77-90 pumps, the gearshaft would be easily turned with one finger.
But you can't run these type pumps without the spring between the plates.
The pump housing and cover are both machined to include that spring washer.
It is solely the spring that makes the resistance on 77-90 pumps.

Smoke Testing the Oil Supply

This is not required but doesn't sound like a bad idea to test the oil pump and supply feed passages on a new engine or pump build.
It has more advantages for 57-76 motors since you have to pull the engine to replace the oil pump if something is wrong.
But it also isn't a bad idea for 77-up engines. As the article says, cheap insurance.
Plus it'll let you know if your feed and return lines are crossed before it's too late to do anything about it.

This is a excerpt of an article from Ironheacycle.com 3)

I hook up the oil pump supply line and fill it with engine oil, sometimes a funnel stuck in the end of a hose is all you need, in this case I hooked it right up to the oil tank. Then I grab the rods and spin the motor over until oil wells up in the holes that go to the rocker boxes. This makes sure that the pump is working and that all the oil passages are free and clear. Sometimes it is hard to make a new motor start pumping oil, in those cases I put an air hose on the oil tank and pressurize the tank with maybe three or four PSI out of my air hose to force oil into the supply line. I had to do that on this motor. It is not unusual. After oil wells up into those rocker box supply holes, I plug them. I usually just stick an old ball bearing in the fitting for the rocker supply line. Then keep spinning the motor, after just a little bit you should see oil coming out from around the connecting rods. If you don't you've got a problem. And as bad as it is to find that out now, it is a lot better to fine out now than after you've fired and fried the engine. All the oil you see around these rods is oil that got there by me spinning the engine over just by grabbing the ends of the connecting rods. I also dumped a little oil into the cam chest through the lifter block holes, after just a little spinning oil started being pumped out of the return to the tank fitting, so now I know the scavenge side of the pump is also working. I do this procedure on every engine I have the heads and barrels off on. It is cheap insurance to avoid costly problems down the road.

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