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====== IH: Oiling & Lubrication ====== | ====== IH: Oiling & Lubrication ====== | ||
====== Oil Tank, Lines and Routing ====== | ====== Oil Tank, Lines and Routing ====== | ||
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+ | ====== Oil Tank Cap ====== | ||
===== Sub Documents ===== | ===== Sub Documents ===== | ||
- | * [[techtalk:ih:oil04a|Routing Oil Lines with an Oil Cooler]] | + | * [[techtalk:ih:oil04a|Rebuilding the Kidney Tank Oil Cap]] |
- | * [[techtalk:ih:oil04b|Running Copper Oil Lines]] | + | \\ |
- | + | There have been negative comments about in-tank oil filters in the past, but these all refer to an old, original "horse hair" filter. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2072162)) \\ | |
- | + | The modern replacements are very good indeed. \\ | |
- | Click on a pic to enlarge: \\ | + | But you'll need to shorten your dipstick to use the newer in-tank filters unless you find a "Horsehair" type. ((Popgadget of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2072162)) \\ |
+ | The newer pleated paper ones are a better choice though. \\ | ||
+ | See the example below of shortening the dipstick. \\ | ||
+ | | Uncut dipstick. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2072162)) | After cutting. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2072162)) | Roll pin goes thru the "top" (smaller) hole. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2072162)) | | ||
+ | |{{:techtalk:ref:oil:dipstick_mod_1_by_ironmick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:oil:dipstick_mod_2_by_ironmick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:oil:dipstick_mod_3_by_ironmick.jpg?direct&300|}}| | ||
====== Oil Lines ====== | ====== Oil Lines ====== | ||
+ | ===== Sub Documents ===== | ||
+ | * [[techtalk:ref:oil14|Routing Oil Lines with an Oil Cooler]] | ||
+ | * [[techtalk:ref:oil17#refoiling_lubrication|Running Copper Oil Lines]] | ||
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The OD of the oil & vent lines is as important as the ID. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=563241&page=2)) \\ | The OD of the oil & vent lines is as important as the ID. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=563241&page=2)) \\ | ||
If you buy automotive lines that are larger OD, they will be difficult to run in the limited space and easy to kink. \\ | If you buy automotive lines that are larger OD, they will be difficult to run in the limited space and easy to kink. \\ | ||
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Feed and Return: 3/8" ID X 5/8" OD reinforced rubber. \\ | Feed and Return: 3/8" ID X 5/8" OD reinforced rubber. \\ | ||
Vent: 1/4" ID, 1/2" OD reinforced rubber. \\ | Vent: 1/4" ID, 1/2" OD reinforced rubber. \\ | ||
- | The tank is vented to the cam chest because, it applies a slightly negative pressure to the tank. ((ryder rick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=600218&page=2)) \\ | + | The tank is vented to the cam chest because it applies a slightly negative pressure to the tank. ((ryder rick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=600218&page=2)) \\ |
- | This promotes the evacuation of condensate from the tank and keeps the tank from being pressurized. \\ | + | This promotes the evacuation of condensate from the tank and keeps the tank from being pressurized (by the air that is also returned by the scavenge pump). \\ |
- | (by the air that is also returned by the scavenge pump) \\ | + | |
General oil line routing on AMF Sportsters: \\ | General oil line routing on AMF Sportsters: \\ | ||
The vent and the return lines route under the starter and solenoid. (can't run over them since the exhaust is there) ((74XL of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80209)) \\ | The vent and the return lines route under the starter and solenoid. (can't run over them since the exhaust is there) ((74XL of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80209)) \\ | ||
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The filter and cooler are (plumbed) in the return line. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=783392&page=2)) \\ | The filter and cooler are (plumbed) in the return line. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=783392&page=2)) \\ | ||
- | ===== Feed Line at the Chain ===== | + | ===== Oil Line Routing ===== |
There is a steel bracket that holds the oil line in position. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80209&page=2)) \\ | There is a steel bracket that holds the oil line in position. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80209&page=2)) \\ | ||
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Vent: From the top of the oil tank to the 1/4" hose nipple on the upper backside of the cam cover in front of the sprocket. \\ | Vent: From the top of the oil tank to the 1/4" hose nipple on the upper backside of the cam cover in front of the sprocket. \\ | ||
+ | | Oil Lines on 77 XLCH. ((photos by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=209347&page=10)) || | ||
+ | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_line_routing_2_by_hopper.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_line_routing_4_by_hopper.jpg?direct&300|}}| | ||
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===== Connections at the Oil Tank ===== | ===== Connections at the Oil Tank ===== | ||
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{{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_line_diagram_by_brianbbs67.jpg?direct&300|}} ((Diagram by brianbbs67 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1779533&page=3)) \\ | {{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_line_diagram_by_brianbbs67.jpg?direct&300|}} ((Diagram by brianbbs67 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1779533&page=3)) \\ | ||
- | {{:techtalk:ih:oil:73_oil_tank_4_by_vampkiller.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by vampkiller of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1779533&page=3)) {{:techtalk:ih:oil:73_oil_tank_1_by_vampkiller.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by vampkiller of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1779533&page=3)) \\ | + | {{:techtalk:ih:oil:73_oil_tank_4_by_vampkiller.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by vampkiller of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1779533&page=3)) {{:techtalk:ih:oil:oil_line_routing_1_by_hopper.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Hopper of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=209347&page=10)) \\ |
- | {{:techtalk:ih:oil:73_oil_tank_2_by_vampkiller.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by vampkiller of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1779533&page=3)) | + | {{:techtalk:ih:oil:73_oil_tank_1_by_vampkiller.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by vampkiller of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1779533&page=3)) {{:techtalk:ih:oil:73_oil_tank_2_by_vampkiller.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by vampkiller of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1779533&page=3)) |
{{:techtalk:ih:oil:73_oil_tank_3_by_vampkiller.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by vampkiller of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1779533&page=3)) \\ | {{:techtalk:ih:oil:73_oil_tank_3_by_vampkiller.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by vampkiller of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1779533&page=3)) \\ | ||
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There is a transmission vent on top of the case in the area near the starter solenoid. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=563241&page=2)) \\ | There is a transmission vent on top of the case in the area near the starter solenoid. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=563241&page=2)) \\ | ||
This one should just vent to atmosphere, either up attached to the frame, or down aimed to ground. \\ | This one should just vent to atmosphere, either up attached to the frame, or down aimed to ground. \\ | ||
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- | |Oil line connections on a 61 XLCH ((photo by ironheadjunkie of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1313106)) \\ Fittings (L) Return, (R) Feed, (hole) Vent|Oil line connections on a 67 XLH ((photo by knotwerk of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=563241)) \\ 1- Return to tank, 2- Feed to motor, 3- Vent hose ((Monte03 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=563241))|Oil line connections on a 68 XLCH ((photo by V of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=462481))| | ||
- | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:61_oil_line_routing_by_ironheadjunkie.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:67_oil_routing_1_by_knotwerk.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:68_xlch_oil_routing_2_by_fdny37.jpg?direct&300|}}| | ||
| Oil lines on a 71 XLH w/ \\ custom mounted oil tank bungs ((photo by JonesL of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2071385&highlight=oil+filter)) | Oil lines on a 72 XLCH (no filter) ((photo by Scuba10jdl of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2071385&highlight=oil+filter)) | | | Oil lines on a 71 XLH w/ \\ custom mounted oil tank bungs ((photo by JonesL of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2071385&highlight=oil+filter)) | Oil lines on a 72 XLCH (no filter) ((photo by Scuba10jdl of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2071385&highlight=oil+filter)) | | ||
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|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:74_oil_fittings_under_the_cover_by_whynot-_annotated.jpg?direct&200|}}| | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:74_oil_fittings_under_the_cover_by_whynot-_annotated.jpg?direct&200|}}| | ||
- | ===== Oil Lines to the Rockers ===== | + | ===== Connection to Oil Cooler ===== |
+ | See [[techtalk:ref:oil14|External Oil Coolers]] in the REF section of the Sportsterpedia. \\ | ||
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+ | ====== Oil Lines to the Rockers ====== | ||
+ | Installation: \\ | ||
+ | The ends are slightly different sizes. ((Ivan RoachCoach of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2505289#post2505289)) \\ | ||
+ | The larger-sized ends go on the case and the smaller-diameter ones go to the rockers. \\ | ||
+ | In other words the closer they are to the oil pump, the bigger they should be. \\ | ||
+ | Most people never even notice this. \\ | ||
+ | Issues getting oil to the top end: \\ | ||
+ | If your pump is primed, and the breather gear is properly timed, then the problem lies in the lines and/or their fittings. \\ | ||
If you have a leak here, you may not have to replace any parts. \\ | If you have a leak here, you may not have to replace any parts. \\ | ||
Try to uninstall them, clean, inspect and reinstall them and see what happens. \\ | Try to uninstall them, clean, inspect and reinstall them and see what happens. \\ | ||
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| Rocker oil line ((photo by Ironshred of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1974660)) | | | Rocker oil line ((photo by Ironshred of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1974660)) | | ||
|{{:techtalk:ih:oil:82_rocker_oil_lines_by_ironshred.jpg?direct&200|}}| | |{{:techtalk:ih:oil:82_rocker_oil_lines_by_ironshred.jpg?direct&200|}}| | ||
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+ | ====== Braided Oil Lines ====== | ||
+ | Braided lines can flex, leak, and sometimes flatten out. ((Ivan RoachCoach of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=221093&highlight=split+rocker+box)) \\ | ||
+ | Before you try threading any threads into your engine, try threading them on a pipe fitting first. ((MDT of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=221093&highlight=split+rocker+box)) \\ | ||
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+ | If the new parts are chromed then you should (must) wire wheel (with light pressure) the chromed threads before installation. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=221093&highlight=split+rocker+box)) \\ | ||
+ | This is especially important for chromed threaded bolts or bolts that have old Loctite on them. \\ | ||
+ | * Always wear a face mask as you can loose hold of the bolt (using a wire wheel on a bench grinder) it will go flying. \\ | ||
+ | You can lightly clamp the fastener flats in a vise and use a Dremil or angle grinder wire wheel also. \\ | ||
+ | Either way, a mist of metal will get airborne and you don't need that getting into your eyes. | ||
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+ | You can also chase the new threads with a die. This will also remove extra bulk on the threads due to the chroming process. \\ | ||
+ | See also [[techtalk:ref:tools023#chasing_threads|Chasing Threads]] in the REF section of the Sportsterpedia. \\ | ||
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===== Copper, Brass and Stainless Tubing ===== | ===== Copper, Brass and Stainless Tubing ===== | ||
These were made with flared fittings and are a positive seat fitting. \\ | These were made with flared fittings and are a positive seat fitting. \\ |