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techtalk:ref:carb04 [2018/11/05 16:47]
hippysmack [Drilling a Hole in the Baffle]
techtalk:ref:carb04 [2024/01/11 01:43]
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 ====== REF: Carburetor, Intake Manifold & Exhaust ====== ====== REF: Carburetor, Intake Manifold & Exhaust ======
 +====== Exhaust Leaks ======
 +You can put your hand near the pipes at likely places for leaks (exhaust ports, any joints) and see if you can feel air escaping. ((Folkie of the XLFORUM https://​www.xlforum.net/​forum/​sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-intake-and-exhaust/​sportster-motorcycle-air-intake-carburetor-efi-fuel-and-exhaust/​118650-exhaust-port-gaskets-installation-tricks?​highlight=stethoscope#​post3727356)) \\
 +But, be careful not to burn yourself on the pipes.
 +
 +===== Smoke Test =====
 +When oil is added to the combustion chamber, the result is smoke coming out of the exhaust. \\
 +The oil burns and comes out as smoke. ((Folkie of the XLFORUM https://​www.xlforum.net/​forum/​sportster-motorcycle-forum/​sportster-motorcycle-intake-and-exhaust/​sportster-motorcycle-air-intake-carburetor-efi-fuel-and-exhaust/​118650-exhaust-port-gaskets-installation-tricks?​highlight=stethoscope#​post3727356)) \\
 +The smoke should just come out the ends of the mufflers. \\
 +If smoke is coming out anywhere else, that's where your leak is. \\
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 +Test one cylinder at a time. \\
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 +  - Pull a spark plug.
 +  - Add a spoonful of standard motor oil in the cylinder.
 +  - Reinstall the plug.
 +  - Fire up the engine. ​
 +  - When it starts to smoke put a rag in the exhaust pipe and look for leaks. ​ It helps if you have a buddy hold the rag
  
  
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 ===== Drilling a Hole in the Baffle ===== ===== Drilling a Hole in the Baffle =====
 A lot of people drill the baffle plug out of the standard mufflers. \\ A lot of people drill the baffle plug out of the standard mufflers. \\
-But it can create tuning issues due to "wave reversion"​. problems. ((gronk62 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=16948)) \\ +But, use at your own risk. \\
-Use at your own risk. \\+
  
 +__Issues with doing this mod include__; \\
 +**Tuning**: \\
 +It can create tuning issues due to "wave reversion"​. problems. ((gronk62 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=16948)) \\
 +
 +**Unwanted noise**: \\
 Some say it will make a chirping sound if you drill the whole baffle plug out. \\ Some say it will make a chirping sound if you drill the whole baffle plug out. \\
-Others say it will only make the whistling / chirping sound if you take the whole 1-1/4" inch baffle plug out. \\ +Others say it will only make the whistling / chirping sound if you take the whole 1-1/4" inch baffle plug out. ((Don Burton http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1392884&​page=2)) ​\\ 
-And a 3/4" hole through it won't make that sound. ((AsSeenOnTV http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1392884))+And a 3/4" hole through it won't make that sound. ((AsSeenOnTV http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1392884)) \\ 
 + 
 +**Overall sound**: \\ 
 +Reportedly, the bike should sound better than the stock. \\ 
 +This mod adds volume, and more low end '​sound'​ than the stock version. ((AsSeenOnTV http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1392884))
  
 +**Failed inspections**:​ \\
 +Once the muffler baffles are drilled, it can easily be detected that you have '​tampered'​ with them. \\ 
 +Depending on where you live, your bike may not pass inspection due to this mod. ((AsSeenOnTV http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1392884)) \\
  
-This was done with a 3/4" hole saw on a 10" drill extension. \\+This was done with a 3/4" hole saw on a 10" drill extension. ​((AsSeenOnTV http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1392884)) ​\\
  
 |If exhaust is installed, make sure the set screw in the extension is tight so you don't drop the hole saw inside it. ((photos by bboerst31 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=792768)) ​ || |If exhaust is installed, make sure the set screw in the extension is tight so you don't drop the hole saw inside it. ((photos by bboerst31 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=792768)) ​ ||
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 They give some bottom and mid range back as well as help to smooth out the sound. ((thesavageone33 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=4990236)) \\  ​ They give some bottom and mid range back as well as help to smooth out the sound. ((thesavageone33 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=4990236)) \\  ​
  
 +|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​carb:​torque_cones_by_biknut.jpg?​direct&​300|}}| 
 +|  Torque Cones ((photo by biknut of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=643292)) ​ |
 ====== Lollipops ====== ====== Lollipops ======
 +{{ :​techtalk:​ref:​carb:​lollipop_drawing_by_shotgun46.jpg?​direct&​200|}} ((drawing by shotgun46 of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=1552356&​page=2)) \\
  
   *  A "​Lollipop"​ is a cheap simple way of achieving back pressure on the pipes and creating anti-reversion. ​   *  A "​Lollipop"​ is a cheap simple way of achieving back pressure on the pipes and creating anti-reversion. ​
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- + Thunder Monsters (fancy lollipops) ((photo by biknut of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​t=643292)) ​ |  
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 |Washer welded to 1/4" bolt w/ bolt inserted into washer((photo by rooster77 of the XLFORUM))|Eyebolt ((photo by xllent01 of the XLFORUM))|| |Washer welded to 1/4" bolt w/ bolt inserted into washer((photo by rooster77 of the XLFORUM))|Eyebolt ((photo by xllent01 of the XLFORUM))||
  
 +====== Patriot Defender ======
 +Dims: ((rocketmangb of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=5737508)) \\
 +1-3/4" diameter out of the heads. \\
 +Out to 2". \\
 +Then 2-1/4" to the collector. \\
 +The collector is probably 2-1/2" in a megaphone configuration. \\
  
 +|  Patriot Defender Pipes Pics and Dims. ((photos by rocketmangb of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=5737508)) ​ |||
 +|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​carb:​patriot_defender_pics_and_dims_1_by_rocketmangb.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​carb:​patriot_defender_pics_and_dims_2_by_rocketmangb.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|{{:​techtalk:​ref:​carb:​patriot_defender_pics_and_dims_3_by_rocketmangb.jpg?​direct&​300|}}|
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 +|  Patriot Defender Pipes Pics and Dims. ((photos by rocketmangb of the XLFORUM http://​xlforum.net/​forums/​showthread.php?​p=5737508)) ​ |||
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 +====== Exhaust Bracket Mods ======
 +Exhaust brackets can be fabricated to fit just about any configuration needed. \\ 
 +(especially when using aftermarket pipes) \\
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 +Mount the pipes to the heads with proper torque. \\ Allow them to **gently** sit on their own. \\ 
 +This allows for vertical and horizontal measurements to be taken from the point where the mount mates to the pipes. \\
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 +Below is the bracket that comes with the purchase of a set of Thunderheaders. \\
 +This particular bracket was slightly too low and recessed to fit on a 98 1250. \\
 +(it may have been fine for stock 1200 heads) \\
 +The plate on the bracket was cut into and another plate was welded to it to extend the mounting holes. \\
 +With the extra plate simply welded on top of the original one, the height worked out as well. \\
 +
 +|  Thunderheader bracket mod. ((photos by Hippysmack)) ​ |||
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