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====== REF: Electrical System ====== | ====== REF: Electrical System ====== | ||
- | ====== Lights - Turn Signals - Bulbs, Mods, Relocating ====== | + | ====== Turn Signals ====== |
- | + | Here's a chart of alternative incandescent bulbs that can be used in place of 1157 Run/Turn or Run/Brake bulbs:\\ | |
- | ===== Turn Signals ===== | + | |
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- | Here's a chart of alternative bulbs that can be used in place of 1157 Run/Turn or Run/Brake bulbs:\\ | + | |
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====== LED Lighting ====== | ====== LED Lighting ====== | ||
- | ===== Sub Documents ===== | ||
- | * [[techtalk:ref:elec03t|LED VOES Indicator Light Install]] | ||
- | LEDs are not only highly shock resistant but they have a very long lifetime and can be made quite bright (and in many different colors). ((Scooter_Trash of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=205077)) \\ | + | |
+ | LEDs are not only highly shock resistant but they have a very long lifetime and can be made quite bright (and in many different colors). ((Scooter_Trash of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-lighting/49907-a-led-turn-signals-load-balancer-how-to?t=205077)) \\ | ||
===== Converting to LED Turn Signals ===== | ===== Converting to LED Turn Signals ===== | ||
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**Choosing a resister**: \\ | **Choosing a resister**: \\ | ||
- | It's important to understand that each incandescent bulb runs 24w when it flashes. ((IXL2Relax of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5396701#post5396701)) \\ | + | It's important to understand that each incandescent bulb runs 24w when it flashes. ((IXL2Relax of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-lighting/49907-a-led-turn-signals-load-balancer-how-to/page10#post3924654)) \\ |
You need a 6-ohm resistor to simulate that equiv load. \\ | You need a 6-ohm resistor to simulate that equiv load. \\ | ||
Using a resistor rated at 10-watts is definitely going to heat up when you run 24-watts of power through it. \\ | Using a resistor rated at 10-watts is definitely going to heat up when you run 24-watts of power through it. \\ | ||
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Between 1991 and 2007, the total load that each side of the Turn Signal Module is expecting is 2 x 24w = 48w. \\ | Between 1991 and 2007, the total load that each side of the Turn Signal Module is expecting is 2 x 24w = 48w. \\ | ||
That's what it is designed to function with when blinking the TS lights. \\ | That's what it is designed to function with when blinking the TS lights. \\ | ||
- | The TSM is designed to expect a certain range of amps being drawn by the lights. ((Cosmo Kramer of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=205077&page=8)) \\ | + | The TSM is designed to expect a certain range of amps being drawn by the lights. ((Cosmo Kramer of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-lighting/49907-a-led-turn-signals-load-balancer-how-to/page8?t=205077&page=8)) \\ |
When a bulb burns out, that changes the amp draw and the TSM blinks fast (instead of not blinking at all as in older models) to notify the rider that there is an issue. \\ | When a bulb burns out, that changes the amp draw and the TSM blinks fast (instead of not blinking at all as in older models) to notify the rider that there is an issue. \\ | ||
Prior to '91, the turn signal flasher was an automotive type with no intelligence. \\ | Prior to '91, the turn signal flasher was an automotive type with no intelligence. \\ | ||
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So fundamentally use the right parts, install in a nice clean, protected method of connection (solder, shrink-wrap, etc). \\ | So fundamentally use the right parts, install in a nice clean, protected method of connection (solder, shrink-wrap, etc). \\ | ||
- | | Simplified OEM turns. ((drawing by Scooter_Trash of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=205077, redrawn by Hippysmack)) | Resister / load balancer inline. ((drawings by Scooter_Trash of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=205077, redrawn by Hippysmack)) || | + | | Simplified OEM turns. ((drawing by Scooter_Trash of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-lighting/49907-a-led-turn-signals-load-balancer-how-to?t=205077, redrawn by Hippysmack)) | Resister / load balancer inline. ((drawings by Scooter_Trash of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-lighting/49907-a-led-turn-signals-load-balancer-how-to?t=205077, redrawn by Hippysmack)) || |
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The 3-wire flashers have their own ground wire and they should require no load of any sort to function. \\ | The 3-wire flashers have their own ground wire and they should require no load of any sort to function. \\ | ||
- | The addition of two diodes for the indicator bulb in the configuration shown below should guarantee there is no bleed from one circuit to the other. ((IXL2Relax of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5396701#post5396701)) \\ | + | The addition of two diodes for the indicator bulb in the configuration shown below should guarantee there is no bleed from one circuit to the other. ((IXL2Relax of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-lighting/49907-a-led-turn-signals-load-balancer-how-to/page10#post3924654)) \\ |
- | | 3 wire flasher. ((photo by hawk69 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=205077&page=7)) | Example 86-90 model LED turn signal conversion with 3-wire LED flasher. ((drawings by IXL2Relax of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5396701#post5396701)) || | + | | 3 wire flasher. ((photo by hawk69 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-lighting/49907-a-led-turn-signals-load-balancer-how-to/page7?t=205077&page=7)) | Example 86-90 model LED turn signal conversion with 3-wire LED flasher. ((drawings by IXL2Relax of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-lighting/49907-a-led-turn-signals-load-balancer-how-to/page10#post3924654)) || |
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- | ====== Front Turns on the Trees ====== | + | ====== Front Turns ====== |
===== The vwclogan Front Turn Signal Mod ===== | ===== The vwclogan Front Turn Signal Mod ===== | ||
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|All thread coupling: In the first pic below, the top 2 fasteners were removed from each side and discarded; (L) 3/8" x 18 pinch bolt and (R) turn signal stud. \\ The 2-1/4" threaded rod and coupling nut replaces the pinch bolt and provides for more threads in the tree. 3/8" rods can be cut from all-thread or a 5" carriage bolt. \\ The coupling nuts are 1-3/4" long or can be cut shorter (these were cut to 7/8"). The signal stud is replaced with a 5/16" x 24 bolt with the head ground down just \\ enough to fit inside the coupling nut snugly. It is then cut so there is about 1/2" of threads to screw into the turn signal housing with a jam nut threaded on it. \\ The carriage end of the 5/16" bolt is then inserted into the coupling that has been side drilled and tapped for a #10x32 set screw to hold the signal bolt tight. \\ The tree can be torqued back properly by use of a crows foot on a socket wrench applied to the coupling. ((photos by alank of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=438111&page=2))||| | |All thread coupling: In the first pic below, the top 2 fasteners were removed from each side and discarded; (L) 3/8" x 18 pinch bolt and (R) turn signal stud. \\ The 2-1/4" threaded rod and coupling nut replaces the pinch bolt and provides for more threads in the tree. 3/8" rods can be cut from all-thread or a 5" carriage bolt. \\ The coupling nuts are 1-3/4" long or can be cut shorter (these were cut to 7/8"). The signal stud is replaced with a 5/16" x 24 bolt with the head ground down just \\ enough to fit inside the coupling nut snugly. It is then cut so there is about 1/2" of threads to screw into the turn signal housing with a jam nut threaded on it. \\ The carriage end of the 5/16" bolt is then inserted into the coupling that has been side drilled and tapped for a #10x32 set screw to hold the signal bolt tight. \\ The tree can be torqued back properly by use of a crows foot on a socket wrench applied to the coupling. ((photos by alank of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=438111&page=2))||| | ||
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==== Bikes with this mod ==== | ==== Bikes with this mod ==== | ||
**Mounted to lower trees**: | **Mounted to lower trees**: | ||
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| 2000 XL1200 ((photo by dieselbikin of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=916453&page=10)) | | | 2000 XL1200 ((photo by dieselbikin of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=916453&page=10)) | | ||
- | ====== Front Turns on the Forks ====== | + | |
+ | ===== Front Turns on the Forks ===== | ||
|98 1200C \\ Turns mounted with electrical conduit clamps. ((photo by jacobbuelow of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=916453))|09 883L \\ Turns mounted with electrical conduit clamps. ((photo by rockmanbm of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=916453&page=7))| | |98 1200C \\ Turns mounted with electrical conduit clamps. ((photo by jacobbuelow of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=916453))|09 883L \\ Turns mounted with electrical conduit clamps. ((photo by rockmanbm of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=916453&page=7))| | ||
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====== Rear Turns ====== | ====== Rear Turns ====== | ||
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====== 86-90 LED Turn Signal Schematic ====== | ====== 86-90 LED Turn Signal Schematic ====== |