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--- techtalk:ref:elec18 [2021/04/25 04:36]
ixl2relax [Motogadget Motoscope Mini]
+++ techtalk:ref:elec18 [2022/09/12 04:42]
ixl2relax [Koso TNT-01 Speedo/Tach]
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-==== HD 70900274 ====
+==== HD 70900274 Combination Speedo/Tach ====
 This 4" Combination Digital Speedometer and Analog Sweep Tachometer is offered as an upgrade item and allows you to monitor engine speed, fuel level and gear position, without adding additional handlebar-mounted gauges. See Fitment Info below. {{  :techtalk:ref:elec:hd-70900274-speedotachcombo.jpg?300|}}((pic from kingchops - XLForum.net - t=2031561))
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 If this Speedo/Tach is installed on a 2007 model, you must remove the stock 2007 Fuel Sender Resistor Pack (72545-07 - which uses 240/240 ohm resistors) and install the 2008-later version (72545-08 - which uses 8K/2K ohm resistors). ((Thanks to Virto of the XLForum for help in pinning down the information regarding the implementation on the 2007 models - http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2077413))
+^  HD Install Instructions for Speedometer/Tachometer P/N 70900274 can be found here:  |||||||
+|  https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/service/document/239891?locale=en_US  |||||||
+^  Feature List When Adding P/N 70900274 To Various Sportster Model Years  |||||||
+|  Model\\ Year  |  Gear\\ Indicator  |  \\ Trip B  |  Fuel\\  Level  |  \\ Range  |  \\ Clock  |  Colored\\ Backlighting  |
+| :::      | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: |
+| 2004-2006 |  -no-  |  Yes  |  -no-  |  -no-  |  Yes  |  Yes  |
+| 2007  |  -no-  |  Yes  |  Yes*  |  Yes*  |  Yes  |  Yes  |
+| 2008-2013  |  Yes  |  Yes  |  Yes*  |  Yes*  |  Yes  |  Yes  |
+|   * Requires installing Fuel Sensor kit P/N 61200008A |||||||
 \\
-==== HD 70900475 ====
+==== HD 70900475 Combination Speedo/Tach ====
-This 4" Combination Digital Speedometer and Analog Sweep Tachometer allows you to monitor engine speed, fuel level and gear position, without adding additional handlebar-mounted gauges. See Fitment Info below.
+This 4" Combination Digital Speedometer and Analog Sweep Tachometer allows you to monitor engine speed, fuel level and gear position, without adding additional handlebar-mounted gauges.
-Features are the same as listed above for pre-2014 models.
+Fits 2014-later Sportster models (US). Features are the same as listed above for pre-2014 models.
+Requires installation of Fuel Sensor Kit P/N 61200008A to use fuel level and range function.\\
-Fitment: Fits '14-later XL US models. XL models require separate purchase of Fuel Sensor Kit P/N 61200008A to make use of the fuel level and range function.\\
+HD Install Instructions for Speedometer/Tachometer P/N 70900475 can be found here:\\
+https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/service/document/239891?locale=en_US
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-==== Koso TNT-01 Speedo/Tach ====
+===== Koso TNT-01 Speedo/Tach =====
 {{ :techtalk:ref:elec:koso-tnt-01-spdtach.jpg?300|}}
-Koso North America - Product: TNT-01 Speedometer/Tachometer Gauge
+Koso North America - Product: TNT-01 Speedometer/Tachometer Gauge (Discontinued)
 Description & Features page is here (SKU: BA035W00-HD):\\
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 This model is compatible with:\\
--2003 - XL883/1200 - Uses OEM Vehicle Speed Sensor & Wrap Wire on Spark Plug Cable for RPMs
+-2003 - XL883/1200 - For RPM Signal Source - Can use OEM coil trigger, wrap wire on spark plug cable, connect to CPS (Cam Position Sensor) or from the tach trigger of an aftermarket ignition module.
 Installation Instructions are here:\\
-https://kosonorthamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/BA035W00-HD.pdf
+https://kosonorthamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/BA035K00-HD-update_v01_comp.pdf
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-==== Koso HD-04 Speedo/Tach ====
+===== Koso HD-04 Speedo/Tach =====
 {{ :techtalk:ref:elec:koso-hd-04-spdtach.jpg?300|}}
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 ===== Motogadget Motoscope Mini =====
-Install Manual: https://motogadget.com/shop/media/downloads/manual/msm_manual_en_2.3_k.pdf
 {{  :techtalk:ref:elec:motogadget-motoscope-mini.jpg|}}
+The Motoscope Mini is a compact digital instrument, with 251 ultra bright LEDs for an extremely readable display. It is supplied with a stainless steel speedometer sensor that can be mounted to the front or rear wheel for easy use on various models. It is also compatible with various original speedometer sensors (reed contact and proximity sensors) used by motorcycle manufacturers. An intelligent 'teaching' function provides for easy speedometer calibration - even in cases of vehicles with sensors at the gear box.
+[[https://motogadget.com/shop/media/downloads/manual/msm_manual_en_2.3_k.pdf|Click Here for the Install Manual for the Mini.]]
+Wiring Functions for the Motoscope Mini Speedo/ODO/Tach((Pics by tfarmer49 at http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=454781 - Annotated by IXL2Relax)):
 | Wire Color | Function & Notes |
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 | Blue | No Function - Not Connected |
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+The **M-CAN OBD** is an additional device for use with the Motoscope Mini Speedometer. The OBD will allow you to connect to the Serial Data Link Connector (SDLC) to communicate with the Engine Control Module (ECM). It will allow the ECM to send speedometer & tachometer information to the Motoscope Mini across the Serial Data Bus (SAE J1850 protocol) that is used on 2004 to 2013 models. The M-CAN OBD is not compatible with the later CANbus communication bus on 2014-later models.
-\\
+The Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) from the engine will still be connected to the ECM. The ECM will process the VSS information and provide the necessary communications to the M-CAN OBD over the Serial Data Bus. The VSS may be able to be connected directly to the Motoscope Mini, but the Motogadget instructions for this are unclear or incorrect in some respects.
+M-CAN OBD General Information:\\
+https://motogadget.com/shop/en/m-can-signalkonverter-fur-hd.html\\
+M-CAN OBD Installation Manual:\\
+https://motogadget.com/shop/media/downloads/manual/mo.can_obd_manual_de_en.pdf\\
+VSS Compatibility List:\\
+https://motogadget.com/shop/media/downloads/allgemein/s_compatibility_speedo_sensors_01.pdf\\
+(It appears that only 12v sensors are compatible. Not the 5v versions)\\
+Here is a proposed wiring diagram from Post# xx of this [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=454781|XLFORUM Thread:]]
+{{:techtalk:ref:elec:motogadget-user-wiring-mini-mcan-clamp.jpg|}}
+\\
+\\
 ===== Fuel Level Sensors Explained =====
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 If this kit is used with 2014-later models, wire kit 72673-11 is required.\\
-[[https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/service/document/1099776088503145484?locale=en_US|(HD Install Instructions Are Here For Kits 75031-09 & 75338-09)]]
+[[https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/service/document/1410717577228115185?locale=en_US|(HD Install Instructions Are Here For Kits 75031-09 & 75338-09)]]

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