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| - | ====== REF: General-MSR 36 ====== | + | ====== REF: Tools & Fasteners ====== |
| ====== Warped or Damaged Thread Repair ====== | ====== Warped or Damaged Thread Repair ====== | ||
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| ====== Cross Threading ====== | ====== Cross Threading ====== | ||
| - | The actual failure mechanism of a drain plug: ((DR Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4302785&postcount=10)) | + | The actual failure mechanism of a drain plug: ((DR Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/146779-need-help-regarding-the-breather-tube/page2?postcount=10#post3132872)) |
| - | |{{techtalk:ref:genmsr:cross_threaded_drain_plug_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((DR Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4302785&postcount=10))| | + | |{{techtalk:ref:tools:cross_threaded_drain_plug_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&400|}} ((DR Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/146779-need-help-regarding-the-breather-tube/page2?postcount=10#post3132872))| |
| - | * So when you loosen the plug the upper partially fractured (cast alum don't like flexing) threads will "move back in position" as the plug reengages the 'good' lower threads. ((DR Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4302785&postcount=10)) | + | * So when you loosen the plug the upper partially fractured (cast alum don't like flexing) threads will "move back in position" as the plug reengages the 'good' lower threads. ((DR Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/146779-need-help-regarding-the-breather-tube/page2?postcount=10#post3132872)) |
| - | * After a few ins and outs the upper threads let loose from the back and forth flexing. ((DR Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4302785&postcount=10)) | + | * After a few ins and outs the upper threads let loose from the back and forth flexing. ((DR Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/146779-need-help-regarding-the-breather-tube/page2?postcount=10#post3132872)) |
| * Where upon: | * Where upon: | ||
| - | * "My plug stripped on the way out". or "It just spins, won't get tight, won't come out". or "I didn't even put the juice to it, it just never got tight". ((DR Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4302785&postcount=10)) | + | * "My plug stripped on the way out". or "It just spins, won't get tight, won't come out". or "I didn't even put the juice to it, it just never got tight". ((DR Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/146779-need-help-regarding-the-breather-tube/page2?postcount=10#post3132872)) |
| ====== Thread Repair ====== | ====== Thread Repair ====== | ||
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| ==== Using taps / dies to chase debris out of the threads ==== | ==== Using taps / dies to chase debris out of the threads ==== | ||
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| You may find, when chasing threads, that the threads are warped also. \\ | You may find, when chasing threads, that the threads are warped also. \\ | ||
| This is common on used fasteners as normal or over torque can warp them. \\ | This is common on used fasteners as normal or over torque can warp them. \\ | ||
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| And chasing them with standard size taps / dies simply widens that clearance to standard sizes. \\ | And chasing them with standard size taps / dies simply widens that clearance to standard sizes. \\ | ||
| - | **Standard tap and dies** have sharp cutting edges. \\ | + | **Standard tap and dies** have sharp cutting edges. \\\ |
| - | If the threads have not been warped or damaged; \\ | + | If the threads have not been warped or damaged, a die will cut through and remove sealants on bolt threads. \\ |
| - | A die will cut through and remove sealants on bolt threads. \\ | + | Likewise, a tap will cut through and remove grime and dried up sealants in the existing threads. \\ |
| - | Likewise, a tap will cut through and remove sealants on hole threads. \\ | + | There are some holes, however, that are purposely tapped undersize at the factory. \\ |
| + | Running a standard tap in those holes opens the holes up. \\ | ||
| + | (also the low quality taps from the do-it-yourself store are not held to the cutting tolerance that real ground thread H or L limit taps possess) \\ | ||
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| + | * Some factory undersize tapped holes on 1957-1976 motors: ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/175975-one-bolt-at-a-time-the-1960-engine-reassembly-thread/page6?t=1888378&page=6)) | ||
| + | * Oil pump studs | ||
| + | * Cylinder base studs | ||
| + | * Rear motor mount studs | ||
| + | * Tool box stud | ||
| **Roll form tap and dies** have rounded cutting edges. \\ | **Roll form tap and dies** have rounded cutting edges. \\ | ||
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| See Chasing Threads below. \\ | See Chasing Threads below. \\ | ||
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| ===== Chasing Threads ===== | ===== Chasing Threads ===== | ||
| * Clean threads are essential in a achieving proper torque specs. \\ Torque specs are designed to tighten to a known point that is before the bolt would break and/or before the piece your working on gives or cracks under pressure. \\ (also given the composite of the bolts) \\ The practice of proper torque on a bolt / hole can also stress new threads. | * Clean threads are essential in a achieving proper torque specs. \\ Torque specs are designed to tighten to a known point that is before the bolt would break and/or before the piece your working on gives or cracks under pressure. \\ (also given the composite of the bolts) \\ The practice of proper torque on a bolt / hole can also stress new threads. | ||
| * Individual threads on a bolt or a threaded hole could have been warped due to material composite, heat, initial torque. \\ (and pressure applied during (previous) normal operation. \\ Warp-age could have been been increased from too much initial torque and / or uneven initial torque all around on the piece that had been installed. | * Individual threads on a bolt or a threaded hole could have been warped due to material composite, heat, initial torque. \\ (and pressure applied during (previous) normal operation. \\ Warp-age could have been been increased from too much initial torque and / or uneven initial torque all around on the piece that had been installed. | ||
| * That said, these bolts and threaded holes were initially threaded (internal or external respectively) with taps and dies. \\ Consequently, taps and dies are used to chase the holes / clean the bolts back to their original shape / cleanliness and done with plenty of good cutting oil. | * That said, these bolts and threaded holes were initially threaded (internal or external respectively) with taps and dies. \\ Consequently, taps and dies are used to chase the holes / clean the bolts back to their original shape / cleanliness and done with plenty of good cutting oil. | ||
| - | * Roll Form Taps- used to pressure form threads in softer material like aluminum. \\ Roll form taps are used to "restore" damaged threads. \\ They work well because they will actually push the metal back to shape as opposed to cutting it away. \\ **Word of caution**: they use a lot of force and are way easier to break so don't get to western with them. \\ Use plenty of oil and steady pressure. \\ Turn in 2 or 3 turns, back off 1 or 2 turns to allow the pressure to come off and if you are using a cut tap the cut material needs to come out. \\ Another word of caution, when you buy taps and dies, sometimes you get what you pay for. ((corkman8086 from the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=739536&highlight=chasing+threads)) \\ {{:techtalk:ref:tools:craftsman_52105_thread_repair_kit_by_shadowdog500.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Shadowdog500 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=221093&highlight=split+rocker+box)) | + | * Roll Form Taps- used to pressure form threads in softer material like aluminum. \\ Roll form taps are used to "restore" damaged threads. \\ They work well because they will actually push the metal back to shape as opposed to cutting it away. \\ **Word of caution**: they use a lot of force and are way easier to break so don't get to western with them. \\ Use plenty of oil and steady pressure. \\ Turn in 2 or 3 turns, back off 1 or 2 turns to allow the pressure to come off and if you are using a cut tap the cut material needs to come out. \\ Another word of caution, when you buy taps and dies, sometimes you get what you pay for. ((corkman8086 from the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/91025-tap-and-die-question-assistance?t=739536&highlight=chasing+threads)) \\ A Craftsman master rethreading kit (52105) looks like a tap and die set but the threading doesn't have the sharp cutting edge. \\ They are great for cleaning the crud out of threads and straightening out slightly mangled threads. \\ (by pushing them straight again without removing any material) \\ The kit comes with thread files that come in handy to clean up threads. \\ If these don't work, then you can use the regular tap and dies. \\ Methodically chasing existing threads is never a bad idea. \\ You just have to make sure you are using the correct size tool and don't get in a hurry and cross thread a tap and really screw things up. \\ Harbor freight may have a cheaper thread chasing kit. \\ |
| + | {{:techtalk:ref:tools:craftsman_52105_thread_repair_kit_by_shadowdog500.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Shadowdog500 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/51523-question-about-my-rocker-oil-lines?t=221093&highlight=split+rocker+box)) | ||
| * While chasing the bolts / holes you will experience metal shavings coming out of the holes and down the bolts. \\ This is normal and how much depends how much damage has been applied to them. \\ You are in fact re-shaping these to back to their original shape. \\ There really isn't much reason to replace a bolt other than cosmetics or rot unless it cannot be re-threaded or has been overly torque stressed. \\ This is a condition in which, on the way to final torque, the bolt begins to stretch or twist from it's protruding center. \\ (but not threading any longer into the hole as Evo cylinder head bolts can do) ((hippysmack from the XLFORUM)) | * While chasing the bolts / holes you will experience metal shavings coming out of the holes and down the bolts. \\ This is normal and how much depends how much damage has been applied to them. \\ You are in fact re-shaping these to back to their original shape. \\ There really isn't much reason to replace a bolt other than cosmetics or rot unless it cannot be re-threaded or has been overly torque stressed. \\ This is a condition in which, on the way to final torque, the bolt begins to stretch or twist from it's protruding center. \\ (but not threading any longer into the hole as Evo cylinder head bolts can do) ((hippysmack from the XLFORUM)) | ||
| * There are different methods to tapping / chasing holes depending on the situation. | * There are different methods to tapping / chasing holes depending on the situation. | ||
| * A through hole is what it says, it goes in one side and out the other of the piece you are working on. \\ Don't stop turning the tap until it has gone in far enough to reach past the bottom, given the chamfered end of the tap itself. | * A through hole is what it says, it goes in one side and out the other of the piece you are working on. \\ Don't stop turning the tap until it has gone in far enough to reach past the bottom, given the chamfered end of the tap itself. | ||
| * A blind hole is simply one that does not go through all the way like a 3/4" thick piece of metal with a 3/8" deep hole in it. \\ Once you run the tap into it, you can't see the bottom , thus it is a blind hole. \\ Chasing a blind hole can be more tedious. \\ As the tap reaches farther in, you aren't quite sure where it will bottom out so you have to use caution when the tap starts turning tighter. \\ Turning past the bottom can end up cracking your piece or breaking the tap off in the hole. \\ Turn in about a quarter turn, back out a half turn, run it in until it stops or gets resistance, go in about another quarter turn and back out all the way. \\ This helps gather the shavings/ trash into the flutes of the tap and away from the threads- which creates resistance. \\ Clean the tap, blow out the hole of all metal shavings/ trash/ gasket material, then go back in. | * A blind hole is simply one that does not go through all the way like a 3/4" thick piece of metal with a 3/8" deep hole in it. \\ Once you run the tap into it, you can't see the bottom , thus it is a blind hole. \\ Chasing a blind hole can be more tedious. \\ As the tap reaches farther in, you aren't quite sure where it will bottom out so you have to use caution when the tap starts turning tighter. \\ Turning past the bottom can end up cracking your piece or breaking the tap off in the hole. \\ Turn in about a quarter turn, back out a half turn, run it in until it stops or gets resistance, go in about another quarter turn and back out all the way. \\ This helps gather the shavings/ trash into the flutes of the tap and away from the threads- which creates resistance. \\ Clean the tap, blow out the hole of all metal shavings/ trash/ gasket material, then go back in. | ||
| - | * You'll get a feel for it and when it hits bottom, you'll feel that to be harder or more of an end of the journey feeling. \\ All the while your using cutting oil which can gather in the bottom of the hole and or mix with any trash in the hole. \\ Truthfully this is the same procedure for tapping any hole as far as touch and feel. \\ If this is not cleaned out before going back in with the tap, it can hydro lock ((Tom from the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1959533))the end of the tap (pressurize the area between the tap end and the bottom of the hole) \\ Which, not always but, can stress the piece from the pressurized area and cause cracks or holes especially if you are using a flat ended tap with no tapered point on the end. \\ If you see oil seepage coming up from the sides of the tap, STOP. \\ Unscrew it, clean the tap and the hole before going any further. | + | * You'll get a feel for it and when it hits bottom, you'll feel that to be harder or more of an end of the journey feeling. \\ All the while your using cutting oil which can gather in the bottom of the hole and or mix with any trash in the hole. \\ Truthfully this is the same procedure for tapping any hole as far as touch and feel. \\ If this is not cleaned out before going back in with the tap, it can hydro lock ((Tom from the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/181908-assembly-prep?t=1959533))the end of the tap (pressurize the area between the tap end and the bottom of the hole) \\ Which, not always but, can stress the piece from the pressurized area and cause cracks or holes especially if you are using a flat ended tap with no tapered point on the end. \\ If you see oil seepage coming up from the sides of the tap, STOP. \\ Unscrew it, clean the tap and the hole before going any further. |
| - | * You can send a pin needle or the like down to the bottom of the hole to see if there is any embedded crap at the bottom. ((ReddTigger from the XLFORUM [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=5373930#post5373930]])) | + | * You can send a pin needle or the like down to the bottom of the hole to see if there is any embedded crap at the bottom. ((ReddTigger from the XLFORUM [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/181908-assembly-prep/page2?postid=5373930#post3909191]])) |
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| + | | Chasing cam cover threads. ((photo by AnaChris of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-engine-conversions/160818-1250-build-bottom-to-top/page11?t=1725973&highlight=oil+pump&page=11)) | | ||
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| ===== Thread File ===== | ===== Thread File ===== | ||
| * This tool is a cross between a tap, a die and a file. | * This tool is a cross between a tap, a die and a file. | ||
| * The end part can be used to put down inside a hole and sort of scrape clean the thread of the same pitch as the tool. | * The end part can be used to put down inside a hole and sort of scrape clean the thread of the same pitch as the tool. | ||
| - | * The side can be used like a file on damaged bolt threads to get them back to form. \\ On a special thread like the end of a crankshaft that has a large diameter fine pitched thread that no standard die will fit. \\ Use a thread file with the same number of teeth per inch. ((Hopper from the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=614423&highlight=tap+die)) | + | * The side can be used like a file on damaged bolt threads to get them back to form. \\ On a special thread like the end of a crankshaft that has a large diameter fine pitched thread that no standard die will fit. \\ Use a thread file with the same number of teeth per inch. ((Hopper from the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/82723-stuck-broken-bolt-removal-101?t=614423&highlight=tap+die)) |
| ====== Installing New Threaded Inserts ====== | ====== Installing New Threaded Inserts ====== | ||
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| ===== Using a Drill Guide ===== | ===== Using a Drill Guide ===== | ||
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| For using a hand drill, it is especially helpful to use a jig to help you line up the bit and keep a 90° line of site while drilling. \\ | For using a hand drill, it is especially helpful to use a jig to help you line up the bit and keep a 90° line of site while drilling. \\ | ||
| It's difficult to watch the drilled hole and hold the drill vertically and horizontally correct all at the same time. \\ | It's difficult to watch the drilled hole and hold the drill vertically and horizontally correct all at the same time. \\ | ||
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| A jig (or guide) may come in a kit with the insert to help with that or they can be purchased or machined separately. \\ | A jig (or guide) may come in a kit with the insert to help with that or they can be purchased or machined separately. \\ | ||
| - | {{techtalk:ref:genmsr:time-sert_cylinder_bolt_repair_15_by_reddtigger.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1704056)) | + | {{techtalk:evo:engmech:time-sert_cylinder_bolt_repair_15_by_reddtigger.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-bottom-end/159077-how-i-repaired-stripped-case-stud?t=1704056)) |
| It's basically a sleeve with the correct size hole in it for the drill bit you're using. \\ | It's basically a sleeve with the correct size hole in it for the drill bit you're using. \\ | ||
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| **Below are some examples of drill guides** (can be clamped on or held by hand depending on the certain guide and material used on): \\ | **Below are some examples of drill guides** (can be clamped on or held by hand depending on the certain guide and material used on): \\ | ||
| - | |This drill guide was machined for use on a cylinder stud hole reair ((photos by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1704056))|| | + | |This drill guide was machined for use on a cylinder stud hole reair ((photos by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-bottom-end/159077-how-i-repaired-stripped-case-stud?t=1704056))|| |
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| ===== Using a Stop Collar on a Drill Bit ===== | ===== Using a Stop Collar on a Drill Bit ===== | ||
| - | Stop collars can be purchased at most hardware stores and function as a depth gauge for the drill bit. \\ | + | Stop collars (drill stop) can be purchased at most hardware stores and function as a depth gauge for the drill bit. \\ |
| The collar is attached to the bit by a set screw. \\ | The collar is attached to the bit by a set screw. \\ | ||
| Once installed, in theory, you can't drill past the collar which sets the depth of the bit. \\ | Once installed, in theory, you can't drill past the collar which sets the depth of the bit. \\ | ||
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| You can also remove the set screw and use the collar as a drill guide. \\ | You can also remove the set screw and use the collar as a drill guide. \\ | ||
| - | | Drill Bit Stop Collar ((photo by Graywolf of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1797431&page=2)) | | + | | Drill Bit Stop Collar ((photo by Graywolf of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/167307-sportster-stutter/page2?t=1797431&page=2)) | |
| - | |{{techtalk:ref:genmsr:drill_bit_stop_collar_by_graywolf.jpg?direct&300|}}| | + | |{{techtalk:ref:tools:drill_bit_stop_collar_by_graywolf.jpg?direct&300|}}| |
| - | ===== Helicoil Inserts ===== | + | |
| + | ===== Helicoil Inserts ===== | ||
| * Engineering supply, auto parts and hardware places sell several kinds of insert kits. \\(I.E. Helicoil, Keensert, Timsert etc) | * Engineering supply, auto parts and hardware places sell several kinds of insert kits. \\(I.E. Helicoil, Keensert, Timsert etc) | ||
| * A helicoil is a small stainless alloy steel spiral. \\ The inner diameter is the right thread to match the original bolt. \\ The outside diameter has a larger thread and the kit has the right size drill bit included for the OD pre-drll size. | * A helicoil is a small stainless alloy steel spiral. \\ The inner diameter is the right thread to match the original bolt. \\ The outside diameter has a larger thread and the kit has the right size drill bit included for the OD pre-drll size. | ||
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| * Wipe off excess Loctite. \\ Grease the bolt so it wont stick to the loctite, and screw it in to make sure all is good. | * Wipe off excess Loctite. \\ Grease the bolt so it wont stick to the loctite, and screw it in to make sure all is good. | ||
| * Then take it out and let the loctite cure overnight. | * Then take it out and let the loctite cure overnight. | ||
| - | * This repair actually makes a stronger thread than an original aluminium thread. ((Hopper from the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=614423&highlight=tap+die)) | + | * This repair actually makes a stronger thread than an original aluminium thread. ((Hopper from the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/82723-stuck-broken-bolt-removal-101?t=614423&highlight=tap+die)) |
| ===== Time-Sert Inserts ===== | ===== Time-Sert Inserts ===== | ||
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| - | ==== Time-Sert repair on engine case using drill press ==== | + | |
| - | Article by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1704056)) \\ | + | |
| - | Click on a pic to enlarge: \\ | + | |
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| - | To repair a stripped cylinder stud. \\ | + | |
| - | Below, only the first few threads in the stud hole are stripped. \\ | + | |
| - | This agrees with the assumption that only the first couple of threads do most of the holding. \\ | + | |
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| - | {{techtalk:ref:genmsr:time-sert_cylinder_bolt_repair_1_by_reddtigger.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1704056)) \\ | + | |
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| - | There are many different options for fixing the stripped stud. This one was repaired using a Time-Sert kit. \\ | + | |
| - | You can buy a drilling jig that will center the drill bit but it is expensive. \\ | + | |
| - | You also build a jig using an old cylinder with the bottom cut off then use the top as a jig plate to precisely hold the drill. \\ | + | |
| - | On the left is a drill guide (sleeve to keep the drill bit straight) and a drill bit held with a tap wrench. \\ | + | |
| - | On the right, with the drill guide on the engine, drill bottomed out on the top of the case, the insert is longer than the amount protruding. \\ | + | |
| - | The included bit with the kit wouldn't work using the guide. ((photo by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1704056)) \\ | + | |
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| - | So a holding jig for the engine was devised hold the slanted portion of the case in a level and upright position. \\ | + | |
| - | Two 3/8"x16 holes were drilled and tapped to hold two long bolts to be just outside the front lower engine mounts. \\ | + | |
| - | Then four holes were drilled around the outside perimeter to level the base plate with 3/4" long bolts. \\ | + | |
| - | Some square tubing was cut down and threaded down a standard nut and large fender washers were added to support everything. \\ | + | |
| - | This will allow you to adjust the bottom nut to raise or lower the case. \\ | + | |
| - | An old piece of a trailer hitch was used to adjust the rear side of the engine to get the top portion zeroed out in all directions. \\ | + | |
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| - | **Homemade jig**: ((photo by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1704056)) \\ | + | |
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| - | With the cylinder in place on the case, a construction type level was placed on top to insure it was level before drilling. \\ | + | |
| - | This requires 0° tilt in either direction (with the level turned in several directions to verify). \\ | + | |
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| - | The engine was covered with duct tape and aluminum foil to prevent anything from entering it. \\ | + | |
| - | It was too tall to set under the drill press base so it was placed on a bike lift beside the drill press and re-aligned. \\ | + | |
| - | The base was swung backwards to be able to bring the bike lift with the engine under the bit. \\ | + | |
| - | And the drill press was positioned to meet up with the hole. \\ | + | |
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| - | **Positioning the engine**: \\ | + | |
| - | |Getting it level. ((photo by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1704056))|Protecting the insides. ((photo by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1704056))|Positioning the drill press. ((photo by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1704056))| | + | |
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| - | A 19/64" drill bit (which just barely fit inside the existing hole) was used to ensure the drill press was aligned to the hole. \\ | + | |
| - | With the bit in the press, you should be able to raise and lower the collet of the drill without this bit touching any sides. \\ | + | |
| - | This press also has a fairly accurate laser guideline but trust the bit method more all the way to the bottom to ensure it's straight. \\ | + | |
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| - | The drill press was speed was set 990 RPM. \\ | + | |
| - | Always use lubrication when drilling to keep down heat. \\ | + | |
| - | Heat will actually expand the hole bigger than the drill bit. Short plunges are even better than pulling the bit down hard. \\ | + | |
| - | Also, always use sharp drill bits. \\ | + | |
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| - | When drilling, especially aluminum, don't use the final hole size to start the hole. \\ | + | |
| - | Instead, drill the hole in steps from smaller to bigger bits for each step. \\ | + | |
| - | This hole bore was drilled in steps of 1/32" increments as an example of the importance of doing this. \\ | + | |
| - | Since the existing hole was 19/64, the next bit size was 21/64", then 23/64" and finally the "X" bit provided | + | |
| - | with the kit. \\ | + | |
| - | The depth of the original hole was 1.3125". You don't want to drill past that and this hole was actually drilled to only 1.250". \\ | + | |
| - | It only needs to be drilled as long as the insert and installer (with the drill bit chamfer taking into account). \\ | + | |
| - | The Inserts are 1.000" and you need at least 1.125" for the installer to pass through. \\ | + | |
| - | In addition to using the depth stop on the drill press, you can mark and tape off the bits to get a visual of the depth drilled. \\ | + | |
| - | On the final bit, a drill stop was used to ensure the bit wouldn't go any further in than needed. \\ | + | |
| - | (it has a set screw to hold it to the bit). \\ | + | |
| - | Caution, if the press is pulled down too far or too hard, the drill stop collar can still move. \\ | + | |
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| * idahopilot: Is it necessary to "chase" the threads to accessories before adding them to your bike? | * idahopilot: Is it necessary to "chase" the threads to accessories before adding them to your bike? | ||
| * capttawes: No it's not really necessary but sometimes those accessories have a build up of chrome, paint or powder coat that get in the threads making it tight and easy to cross the threads. If you find it necessary or run into a problem where you've stripped/crossed threads on some parts a simple once over with a std. set of tap & dies will do the trick. | * capttawes: No it's not really necessary but sometimes those accessories have a build up of chrome, paint or powder coat that get in the threads making it tight and easy to cross the threads. If you find it necessary or run into a problem where you've stripped/crossed threads on some parts a simple once over with a std. set of tap & dies will do the trick. | ||
| * Folkie: I generally try out a nut on a threaded stud of a part or try out a screw in a threaded hole. You can soon tell if the threads are OK. Sometimes just turning the nut or screw back and forth a few times sorts out any roughness. If not, a pass with a die or tap does the trick. If you've got adjustable dies and you use a die holder (I often don't for this sort of thing, just hold it in my fingers), make sure you haven't tightened the screws in the die holder to make the die smaller than standard size. We want to clear the threads, not recut them. If you haven't got a T handle tap holder in your tap and die set, that can be a useful addition. It's less cumbersome to use for this sort of thing. Just make sure you're using the right size tap or die. A cheap vernier caliper and a screw thread gauge are useful to size threads if you're not sure about them. | * Folkie: I generally try out a nut on a threaded stud of a part or try out a screw in a threaded hole. You can soon tell if the threads are OK. Sometimes just turning the nut or screw back and forth a few times sorts out any roughness. If not, a pass with a die or tap does the trick. If you've got adjustable dies and you use a die holder (I often don't for this sort of thing, just hold it in my fingers), make sure you haven't tightened the screws in the die holder to make the die smaller than standard size. We want to clear the threads, not recut them. If you haven't got a T handle tap holder in your tap and die set, that can be a useful addition. It's less cumbersome to use for this sort of thing. Just make sure you're using the right size tap or die. A cheap vernier caliper and a screw thread gauge are useful to size threads if you're not sure about them. | ||
| * Another tip for cleaning out the chrome flashing on new parts is to start the tap at the backside of the hole where you have clean threads. This will allow you to start the tap properly and keep you from messing up the angle of the hole. Once started properly with some lube on it it should just screw right through the hole to the front side and clean out the excess chrome in the threads. If it feels like it is harder to thread in than a bolt in clean threads, STOP!! Back out and try again and doublecheck that you have the proper thread pitch on your tap. | * Another tip for cleaning out the chrome flashing on new parts is to start the tap at the backside of the hole where you have clean threads. This will allow you to start the tap properly and keep you from messing up the angle of the hole. Once started properly with some lube on it it should just screw right through the hole to the front side and clean out the excess chrome in the threads. If it feels like it is harder to thread in than a bolt in clean threads, STOP!! Back out and try again and doublecheck that you have the proper thread pitch on your tap. | ||
| - | * To check the thread pitch get a thread pitch gauge and check it against the bolt that is supposed to go in the hole. These look like a feeler gauge full of combs and you lay each comb against the threads until you find the one that matches the threads on the bolt that is supposed to go in the hole. Thread gauges are cheap, pick one up and go to ACE Hardware and practice against bolts with a known thread pitch to see how they work. ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=42152&highlight=chasing+threads)) | + | * To check the thread pitch get a thread pitch gauge and check it against the bolt that is supposed to go in the hole. These look like a feeler gauge full of combs and you lay each comb against the threads until you find the one that matches the threads on the bolt that is supposed to go in the hole. Thread gauges are cheap, pick one up and go to ACE Hardware and practice against bolts with a known thread pitch to see how they work. ((https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-accessories/25447-chasing-threads?t=42152&highlight=chasing+threads)) |
