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 Generally, you can _make_ tanks interchange between '82 to '03 - Mounting holes are at the same place, but some are rigid mount & others rubber grommet mount.
-Screw-in Caps from 1992-later are generally interchangeable although some part number variations do exist over the various models and years.
+Screw-in Caps from 1992-later are generally interchangeable although some part number variations do exist for different models and years.
-All non-efi tanks use 22mm petcocks.
+All 86-06 tanks (non-EFI EVO engines) use 22mm petcocks. EFI models (2007-later) have fuel pumps. (Some Ironhead tanks use 22mm petcocks.)
-There are adapters available to replace the EFI pump plate with a flat-plate with a petcock bung. This may allow the use of a tank intended for EFI models to be used on carburetored models. See this [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1706950|XLForum Thread]].
+There are adapters available to replace the EFI fuel pump plate with a flat-plate to create a tank outlet for mounting a petcock. This may allow the use of a tank intended for EFI models on customized carburetored models. See this [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-intake-and-exhaust/sportster-motorcycle-air-intake-carburetor-efi-fuel-and-exhaust/159272-efi-fuel-pump-block-off-plate-exists?t=1706950|XLForum Thread]].
 **Reference Threads**
-http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1969877\\
+https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/182878-peanut-tank-changes-early-90s?t=1969877 \\
-http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=652141\\
+https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/85360-sporty-tank-fitment?t=652141 \\
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 ===== Petcock (Fuel Outlet) =====
-{{ :common:space100x5px.jpg|}}{{ :techtalk:evo:body:petcock-filter.jpg?direct&150|}}\\
+{{ :common:space100x5px.jpg?direct&2|}}{{ :techtalk:evo:body:petcock-filter.jpg?direct&400|}}\\
-The Petcock allows control of the fuel to the carburetor from the fuel tank. It has a 3-position lever to create OFF, ON & RESERVE settings. The **OFF** setting prevents fuel flow to the carb (used whenever the bike is not running). The **ON** setting allows normal fuel flow to the carb when the tank is above the reserve level. The **RESERVE** setting allows the final amount of fuel to be sent to the carb until the tank is empty. Normally, the petcock has an in-tank cylindrical mesh filter enclosing these inlets to prevent any dirt in the tank from clogging the intake of fuel. The tank and filter may be required to be cleaned from time to time. ((Pic from Carl-04XL here: http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=359788))
+The Petcock allows control of the fuel to the carburetor from the fuel tank. It has a 3-position lever to create OFF, ON & RESERVE settings. The **OFF** setting prevents fuel flow to the carb (used whenever the bike is not running). The **ON** setting allows normal fuel flow to the carb when the tank is above the reserve level. The **RESERVE** setting allows the final amount of fuel to be sent to the carb until the tank is empty. Normally, the petcock has an in-tank cylindrical mesh filter enclosing these inlets to prevent any dirt in the tank from clogging the intake of fuel. The tank and filter may be required to be cleaned from time to time. ((Pics from Carl-04XL here: https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/61501-fuel-reserve?t=359788))
 The petcock creates two levels of fuel supply in the fuel tank, the higher level being used for the ON setting and a low level being used for the RESERVE supply level. To do this, a short tube protrudes vertically into the fuel supply to create an ON level. A shorter tube (or the base of the petcock) is used to supply fuel ONLY when the petcock is set to RESERVE. By drawing fuel from the taller tube when the petcock is set to ON, a 'reserve' is created (usually between 10% & 20% of the tank size) below that tube level so as to warn the rider that the tank is running low on fuel.
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 This was considered a safety feature to help riders who forgot to turn the petcock to the OFF position (and to help prevent fuel spills in case of an accident or tipover). It was the recommended petcock for all optional tanks from 1992-1994. This style petcock was implemented on all stock tanks (of any size) from 1995 thru 2006 (2007-later used electrical fuel pumps). A vacuum of approximately 0.5-1.0 in. of Mercury (Hg) was needed to open the petcock for fuel flow.((2006 Factory Service Manual)) The OFF setting was still recommended whenever the engine was not running (to prevent accidental fuel flow from a faulty vacuum diaphragm).
-{{:techtalk:evo:body:petcock-frtbk-vac.jpg?direct&400|}}((pic by ML414skidoo at http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1862489)){{:common:space100x5px.jpg|  }}
+{{:techtalk:evo:body:petcock-frtbk-vac.jpg?direct&400|}}((pic by ML414skidoo at https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/173551-1200-sportster-issues?t=1862489)){{:common:space100x5px.jpg|  }}
-{{:techtalk:evo:body:petcock-inside-vac.jpg?direct&200|}}((pic by JohnK at http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1863271))
+{{:techtalk:evo:body:petcock-inside-vac.jpg?direct&200|}}((pic by JohnK at https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-intake-and-exhaust/sportster-motorcycle-air-intake-carburetor-efi-fuel-and-exhaust/173730-vacuum-bypass-petcock-which-years-and-models?t=1863271))
 Notice that the kidney-shaped cavity on the knob allows, in one position, the ON tube to flow to the outlet and, in another position, it allows the RES(erve) tube to flow to the outlet. The middle knob setting (as the switch is shown in the picture with the kidney-shaped cavity at the bottom only) is the OFF setting. If you look carefully inside the outgoing cavity of the petcock body, you can see the vacuum stud which allows fuel flow when the vacuum pulls the stud/plug open. The petcock is designed to ONLY FLOW FUEL when there is a vacuum applied. With no vacuum, the stud is in place and no fuel can flow, no matter where the knob is set.
-There are a number of Petcock valves available, most using 62169-xx, where the xx is a number and revision letter. The older versions (like 62169-81) do not use a vacuum valve. Later, among the vacuum versions (such as 62169-95/A/B/C & 62169-02/A) there were versions with a left-direction fuel outlet tube while others have a downward fuel outlet tube. Some versions have a handle where the long portion is the pointer to the mode and others use the shorter end of the handle to indicated the valve mode (as in Off, On, Res).
+There are a number of Petcock valves available, most using 62169-xx, where the xx is a number and revision letter. The older versions (like 62169-81) do not use a vacuum valve. Later, among the vacuum versions (such as 62169-95/A/B/C & 62169-02/A) there were versions with a left-direction fuel outlet tube while others have a downward fuel outlet tube. Some versions have a handle where the long portion is the pointer to the mode and others use the shorter end of the handle to indicated the valve mode (as in On, Off, Res).
-**Bypassing the vacuum function**: \\
+**INSTALLING THE PETCOCK**\\
-If you prefer not to use the vacuum valve to control the fuel flow, you can disassemble the petcock & reverse the spring/diaphram assembly. ((BKB of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1637859))
+These petcocks use a multi-threaded nut to attach the petcock to the tank. One thread set is for the petcock (fine threads) while the other set is for the tank outlet (coarse threads). The principle here is that as you thread the nut onto the coarse threads of the tank, it is tightening faster there than the fine threads are unscrewing at the petcock. This difference in thread tpi, pulls the petcock up against the tank outlet. The shoulder of the in-tank filter functions as the seal between the petcock and the tank (or there may be an additonal washer or o-ring as a seal).
-You would need to remove the four rear screws of the vacuum section. Remove the spring & remove the diaphragm. Then put the spring on the stud of the diaphragm (which normally operates as the plug) and reassemble the diaphragm back into place. The spring will now hold the diaphragm in an open position. Fuel should flow through the petcock without a vacuum line connected to it.
+You must wind the nut down on the petcock before starting to attach the petcock to the tank. Place the petcock close to (but not against) the tank outlet. You want the nut to securely screw onto the tank threads (several threads) before the petcock is pulled tight to the tank outlet. As you thread the nut onto the tank, it is unscrewing (more slowly) from the petcock. If you start to thread the nut onto the tank outlet with the petcock too far away, you will run out of threads before the petcock is pulled tight to the tank outlet. If you start with the petcock too close to the tank, the petcock will be pulled tight to the tank after barely starting the nut onto the tank outlet. You're looking for a balance here.
-If you remove the vacuum function from the petcock and you have one of the older models with a tee fitting in the vacuum line (that goes to the VOES/MAP), then remove the tee and run a straight line from the carb vacuum nipple directly to the VOES / MAP. This minimizes any leak points. If you have a 2004-2006 model (with the MAP sensor on the intake manifold) and remove the vacuum function from the petcock, you can remove the vacumm line completely and simply cap the vacuum nipple on the carb.
+It may take a time or two of testing to see just how close you want the petcock to the tank as you start to thread the nut onto the tank outlet. Success is when the petcock is properly tight to the tank with a relative equal number of nut threads holding onto the petcock and the tank outlet.
-There are also kits that replace the rear vacuum section of the petcock with a solid blank plate.\\
+Additional References:\\
-| Decman of the XLForum said: I had this bypass kit in my tool box.\\ It's a flat plate and rubber gasket. About a week after I installed it,\\ the bike started to stall after warmed up due to no fuel.\\ \\ When I took the petcock apart it was obvious that the center\\ of the rubber gasket was stretching and being pulled into the fuel\\ cavity and shutting off the fuel. Doh!\\ \\ So I just cut a hole in the center of the gasket and all is well.\\ After a quick search on the net I found that the new kits come with\\ the hole already there now. | {{:techtalk:evo:body:petcock-vacuumbypassplate.jpg?300|}}((Pic from Decman - http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1421879))|
+Vacuum Operated Fuel Supply Valve Kit - (Instruction Sheet '-J02634' - Kit# 62169-95C)\\
+https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/content/document/view?id=1877\\
+https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/content/document/view?id=1419768648772055282
+====Failures====
-**Failures:**\\
 If you get fuel flow thru the petcock to the carb with no vacuum applied (in any petcock position), there is a problem with the petcock seals.
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 So, depending on exactly how the petcock fails, you might get a too rich or a too lean condition.
-Manual petcocks can also fail. They can leak fuel from the seals. They can collect debri on the filter screens. If the filter fails, it can allow debri into the operating petcock and clog the passages.
+Manual petcocks can also fail. They can leak fuel from the seals. They can collect debris on the filter screens. If the filter fails, it can allow debris into the operating petcock and clog the passages.
 **NOTE - PRODUCT RECALL:**\\
-Petcock Recall Notice - http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95982
+Petcock Recall Notice - https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-service/sportster-motorcycle-recall-info/-2000-s-sportster-recalls/41158-2005-sportster-recall-fuel-system-gasoline-carburetor-system?t=95982
 Summary: Certain motorcycles may have been produced with defective fuel shut-off valves. The functionality of the 'ON' position and the 'Reserve' position of the valve may have been reversed.
-\\
+====Bypassing the Vacuum Function====
+If you prefer not to use the vacuum valve to control the fuel flow, you can disassemble the petcock & reverse the spring/diaphram assembly. ((BKB of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-intake-and-exhaust/sportster-motorcycle-air-intake-carburetor-efi-fuel-and-exhaust/151807-vacume-petcock-question?t=1637859))
+You would need to remove the four rear screws of the vacuum section. Remove the spring & remove the diaphragm. Then put the spring on the stud of the diaphragm (which normally operates as the plug) and reassemble the diaphragm back into place. The spring will now hold the diaphragm in an open position. Fuel should flow through the petcock without a vacuum line connected to it.
+If you remove the vacuum function from the petcock and you have one of the older models with a tee fitting in the vacuum line (that goes to the VOES/MAP), then remove the tee and run a straight line from the carb vacuum nipple directly to the VOES / MAP. This minimizes any leak points. If you have a 2004-2006 model (with the MAP sensor on the intake manifold) and remove the vacuum function from the petcock, you can remove the vacumm line completely and simply cap the vacuum nipple on the carb.
+There are also kits that replace the rear vacuum section of the petcock with a solid blank plate.\\
+| Decman of the XLForum said: I had this bypass kit in my tool box.\\ It's a flat plate and rubber gasket. About a week after I installed it,\\ the bike started to stall after warmed up due to no fuel.\\ \\ When I took the petcock apart it was obvious that the center\\ of the rubber gasket was stretching and being pulled into the fuel\\ cavity and shutting off the fuel. Doh!\\ \\ So I just cut a hole in the center of the gasket and all is well.\\ After a quick search on the net I found that the new kits come with\\ the hole already there now. | {{:techtalk:evo:body:petcock-vacuumbypassplate.jpg?300|}}((Pic from Decman - https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-intake-and-exhaust/sportster-motorcycle-air-intake-carburetor-efi-fuel-and-exhaust/132709-vacuum-petcock-bypass-kit-failure?t=1421879))|
+\\
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