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-====== 883 Belt Model Part Numbers ======
+====== 883 Belt Model Trans Sprocket Part Numbers ======
 **1991-92 883 Deluxe**\\
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 | Part # | 12074 | Built into Bearing | 40409-04 29T | 40591-07 137T 1" |
-====== 1200 Belt Model Part Numbers ======
+====== 1200 Belt Model Trans Sprocket Part Numbers ======
 **1991-94E - 1200**
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-====== Belt Twist for Carrying Spare Belt ======
-| According to Sportsterpaul (of the XLForum) it is worth carrying a spare\\ belt for any long trip. When you replace a high mileage belt, save the\\ old one for a spare.((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14871 - Post#600)) Make a note of the rotation direction.\\ \\ Then, carefully, do a double twist of the belt to stack it three layers high.\\ It keeps a nice big radius (not damaging the belt) and packs well.\\ \\ **If your present belt should break, having a spare belt with you\\ can work for a roadside repair, without fully removing your tire.** \\ \\ The suggested way to replace the belt((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=174407)) is to remove the lower bolt from\\ the shock and swing it out of the way. Loosen the axle nut and the axle\\ adjusters so the tire can move forward.\\ \\ Slip the belt up and over the belt guard, over the front sprocket, then onto\\ the rear sprocket from behind.\\ \\ Push the tire back and readjust the adjusters & tighten the axle.\\ Then align the shock and replace the lower bolt.  | {{:techtalk:evo:transfinal:drivebelt-doubletwist-compact-sportsterpaul.jpg?400|}} |
+====== Rear Belt Driven Sprocket Part Numbers ======
-| You could also shortcut the procedure (if you dare to do so carefully). Don't loosen the axle or adjusters. Just remove the lower bolt from the shock\\ & swing it out of the way. Slip the belt up and over the belt guard, allowing it to be low behind the rear sprocket (not on it). Then slip the belt over\\ the front sprocket & start it (as far as possible) over the rear sprocket rim at the bottom. Pull it up snug to stay in place. Then roll the bike forward\\ so the belt pulls up around the rear sprocket and 'slips' into place. Replace the shock & bolt. The old belt will likely be a little loose from wear\\ and will 'slip on' in this way as a 'temporary' fix until you can replace it with a new belt. Or, do it the longer way if you have any concerns. ||
+__**For 1991-1999 - OEM 61T Sprockets**__
+**40213-91** is 61T BLACK
+**40227-93** is 61T SILVER
+**40246-91** is a casting number - These casting numbers are on both early, 1991-1999, and late, 2000-2003, Sportster 61 tooth x 1-1/8" pulleys. The offset is the same for early and late but The early and late are not interchangeable; the early has a 2" center hole, the late is 2-3/16". There are adapters available so you can use a late (2-3/16") on an early wheel (2") , but the early does not fit the late. You can tell the late pulley visually by looking at the machined bosses for the mounting bolts. The late model bosses are intruded by the center hole and do not show completely round. The early pulleys either have no bosses or the bosses are completely round. The early pulleys are silver, the late are silver or black, from the factory.((Sirrom1 - http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2005973))
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+__**For 2000-2003 - OEM 61T Sprockets**__
+**40213-00** is 61T BLACK
+**40227-00** is 61T SILVER
+\\
+__**For 2004-2006 - OEM 61T Sprockets**__
+**40350-04** is 68T BLACK
+**40352-04** is 68T SILVER
+\\
+__**For 2007-2015 - OEM 61T Sprockets**__
+**40350-07** is 68T BLACK w/highlights\\
+**40444-07** is 68T BLACK (Nightster / 883 Iron)\\
+**40353-08** is 68T BLACK (883 Iron / 48)
+\\
+__**For 2016-2022 - OEM 61T Sprockets**__
+**40350-07** is 68T BLACK w/highlights\\
+**40444-07** is 68T BLACK (Nightster)\\
+**42200121** is 68T BLACK (48)
+\\
 ====== Final Drive Trans Belt Sprocket Issues (Differences between 1991, 1995 & 2004) =====
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 On the 2004-later models, the Trans Drive Sprocket design was reversed. The flanged side was placed toward the engine, thereby pushing the usable belt surface farther away from the engine to allow for a wider rear tire (150mm). On the flanged side, the center mounting splines are recessed .400" from the flange face.
-For 2004-2005, the older spacer was still used (as used on '95-'03) between the case bearing seal and the sprocket.
+For 2004-2005, the older spacer (as used on '95-'03) was still used between the case bearing seal and the sprocket.
 On the 2006+ models, the spacer was incorporated into the transmission output shaft bearing.
 | Year | Description & P/N || Note |
-| 1991-E94 | Oil Seal | 12050 | |
+| 1991-E94 | Oil Seal | 12050 | Spacer for Sprocket with\\ 0.500 width splines |
 | ::: | Spacer | 33334-85 | ::: |
-| L94-1995-05 | Oil Seal | 12067B | |
+| L94-1995-2005 | Oil Seal | 12067B | Spacer for Sprocket with\\ 0.766 width splines |
 | ::: | Spacer | 33344-94 | ::: |
-| 2006-later | Oil Seal | 12074 | Spacer is part\\ of shaft bearing |
+| 2006-later | Oil Seal | 12074 | Spacer is part of\\ shaft bearing |
 | ::: | Spacer | 8964 | ::: |
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-====== Belt Conversion Kits ======
+====== Belt Sizes & Part Numbers =====
-  * 40110-89 - HD offered a 4-speed chain-to-belt conversion kit
+| Year | PartNo | Description |
-  * ... but stopped offering them in 07/2005 ($525.95)
+| 1986-87 | (883/1100) | 106 Links - 530 Chain (5x 1/8" Pitch & 3x 1/8" Width) |
-  * ... Front Drive Sprocket is 40271-89 (27T - Kit uses 132T 1-1/8" Belt)
+| 1988-90 | (883/1200) | 108 Links - 530 Chain - 1/2" longer Swingarm |
+| 1991-92 | (883 Std/Hug) | 108 Links - 530 Chain - 1/2" longer Swingarm |
+| 40028-15E | | Duckworth Brand (883/1100/1200) |
+| | | (110 Links - Needs shortened to 106 or 108) |
+| | | 40053-65 Duckworth Brand Connecting Link |
+| | | 40029-15E	Diamond Brand  (883/1100/1200) |
+| | | (110 Links - Needs shortened to 106 or 108) |
+| | | 40052-65 Diamond Brand Connecting Link |
+| | |
+| 1991-92 | 40022-91 | 128 Tooth - 1-1/8" Belt (883Dlx/1200) |
+| 1993-2003 | 40022-91 | 128 Tooth - 1-1/8" Belt (883/1200) |
+| 2004-2006 | 40570-04 | 136 Tooth - 1-1/8" Belt (883) |
+| | 40571-04B | 137 Tooth - 1-1/8" Belt (1200) |
+| | |
+| 2007-2010 | 40371-07 | 136 Tooth - 1" Belt (883) |
+| | | 40591-07 | 137 Tooth - 1" Belt (1200) |
+| 2011-2022 | 40591-07 | 137 Tooth - 1" Belt (883/1200) |
-  * 40111-91A - HD offered a 5-speed chain-to-belt conversion kit
-  * ... but stopped offering them in 10/2007 (40111-91C $399.95)
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-====== Chain Conversion Parts ======
-  * PBI Chain Sprocket #280 is compatible with 1991-2006 models and has an
-  * ... overall width of 0.85" and offset of 0.5" with a Spline Width of 0.5"
-  * [[http://www.pbisprockets.com|The PBI Sprockets Web Site]]
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-====== Caution: Aluminum Drive Sprockets ======
+====== Belt Twist for Carrying Spare Belt ======
-Some folks have had a problem with aluminum aftermarket pulleys that wear excessively. It may be an occassional fault\\
-in the anodizing or something more prevalent. Simply be aware of this potential problem. ((see Scuba10jdl's comments here: http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2073711))\\
-{{techtalk:ref:transfinal:finaldrivesprocket-alum-failure-scuba10jdl.jpg?300|}}
+| According to Sportsterpaul (of the XLForum) it is worth carrying a spare\\ belt for any long trip. When you replace a high mileage belt, save the\\ old one for a spare.((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14871 - Post#600)) Make a note of the rotation direction.\\ \\ Then, carefully, do a double twist of the belt to stack it three layers high.\\ It keeps a nice big radius (not damaging the belt) and packs well.\\ \\ **If your present belt should break, having a spare belt with you\\ can work for a roadside repair, without fully removing your tire.** \\ \\ The suggested way to replace the belt((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=174407)) is to remove the lower bolt from\\ the shock and swing it out of the way. Loosen the axle nut and the axle\\ adjusters so the tire can move forward.\\ \\ Slip the belt up and over the belt guard, over the front sprocket, then onto\\ the rear sprocket from behind.\\ \\ Push the tire back and readjust the adjusters & tighten the axle.\\ Then align the shock and replace the lower bolt.  | {{:techtalk:evo:transfinal:drivebelt-doubletwist-compact-sportsterpaul.jpg?400|}} |
+| You could also shortcut the procedure (if you dare to do so carefully). Don't loosen the axle or adjusters. Just remove the lower bolt from the shock\\ & swing it out of the way. Slip the belt up and over the belt guard, allowing it to be low behind the rear sprocket (not on it). Then slip the belt over\\ the front sprocket & start it (as far as possible) over the rear sprocket rim at the bottom. Pull it up snug to stay in place. Then roll the bike forward\\ so the belt pulls up around the rear sprocket and 'slips' into place. Replace the shock & bolt. The old belt will likely be a little loose from wear\\ and will 'slip on' in this way as a 'temporary' fix until you can replace it with a new belt. Or, do it the longer way if you have any concerns. ||
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-====== Gear Indicator Correction (with Powervision) When Changing Gear Ratios ======
-This example (which should apply more widely) is based on a 2012 883 Superlow that was converted to a 1250 with a different Primary Engine Sprocket and different final drive belt sprocket. These changes altered the calculation required to accurately display the proper gear. The recalculation was entered into a Powervision engine tuning unit.
-**Fixing Digital Gear Indicator** - as reported by cliffm of the XLForum((posted by cliffm http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2077145)) (quoted below with minor editing)
-My most recent modification to my 2012 Xl883 superlow was installing V-Twin Power Sta-tor Ring w/encapsulated magnets opting to gear up to xl1200 38-tooth over my factory xl883 34-tooth for improved freeway cruising with my installed 883/1250 kit.
-This obviously trashed the ECM's ability to properly interpolate the RPM of any selected gear. Having a mated Dynojet Power Vision I attempted to correct this. After several attempts I succeeded and want to share this, as it's applicable to all ECM controlled Harley's.
-First, you must have the bikes "orginal" ECM configuration settings for reference, specifically what was the "original gearing" Primary & belt and also the "gear" interpolation values as displayed under gear in the PV menu.
-Then you need to know the "new" gearing values as you need to calculate the difference in previous to current gearing percent's per gear.
-In my case, I had almost the lowest, at 34/57 primary and 29/68 belt with 3.93 overall.\\
-This meant:\\
-• 1st gear was 10.44 and a gear setting of 0.22119\\
-• 2nd gear was 7.463 and a gear setting of 0.31063\\
-• 3th gear was 5.5310 and a gear setting of 0.4168\\
-• 4th gear was 4.5840 and a gear setting of 0.50331\\
-• 5rd gear was 3.9310 and a gear setting of 0.58687\\
-The Primary swap to 38/57 primary and 30/68 belt, the new final is 3.40 A +14% increase. Re-calculating each gear and comparing to original provides the difference to “increase” my gear values for the ECM to interpolate the RPM/Gear selection display.
-• 1st gear now 9.004 (+14.7810%) with gear setting “increased” to 0.25388\\
-• 2nd gear now 6.431 (+14.4948%) with gear setting “increased” to 0.35566\\
-• 3th gear now 4.784 (+14.4838%) with gear setting “increased” to 0.47717\\
-• 4th gear now 3.965 (+14.4812%) with gear setting “increased” to 0.57620\\
-• 5rd gear now 3.40 (+14.4864%) with gear setting “increased” to 0.67189\\
-The VSS value in PV menu influences this as well, but I’m assuming you all have already dialed that in to correct for any tire diameter changes you may have performed. My gear selection is now spot on. This approach works for all Harley’s with ecm gear interpolation values.
-The reason you can’t just copy from you buddies configuration is variances in OEM tire size configurations and primary/belt drive gearing was “burned” to the ECM and power vision does not show this “hidden” multiplier, only the correction factor per gear, based on the OEM settings
+====== Aftermarket Options =====
+Various aftermarket options are listed in the REFerence Section: [[techtalk:ref:transfinal01|HERE]]
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