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techtalk:ih:engctl01b [2022/03/30 03:05] hippysmack [Mounting Adapters] |
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* C): a real oil seal that gets installed into the cam cover bore under the mount plate. \\ | * C): a real oil seal that gets installed into the cam cover bore under the mount plate. \\ | ||
- | **Fixed Position Magnetos**: \\ | + | **Cam Cover to Adapter Gasket**: \\ |
+ | 1958-E1965 adapters use gasket (32522-37). ((DR Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1637862&page=4)) \\ | ||
+ | The parts catalogs say the gasket was available for 1958-1969 XLCH. \\ | ||
+ | However, gaskets are known to lose their structural integrity (used on movable mount systems) resulting in the hub working loose from the cover. \\ | ||
+ | HD got away from the gasket in mid 1965 for this reason. \\ | ||
+ | So L1965-1969 setups don't use a gasket. \\ | ||
+ | A bike with no seals barely leaks because the mag drive gears don't get very much oil. \\ | ||
+ | The oil they do get is "splash" oil. A very small amount of oil gets to drive gears by oil passing thru #2 cam bushing. \\ | ||
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+ | **Screw and Washers**: \\ | ||
+ | The 2 big holes on the 62> mag lower housing slots are access holes for 2 of the 4 screws that hold the lower mag housing to the mag body. \\ | ||
+ | L62-64 had rectangular 'washers' that straddled the big holes. 65-69 had the arm that control cable attached to that straddled the holes. \\ | ||
+ | Uses #12-24 x 15/32" countersunk flat slot head screws (1865W) to hold plate to cam cover. \\ | ||
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+ | **Fixed Position Magneto Adapters**: \\ | ||
**1958-E1962**: \\ | **1958-E1962**: \\ | ||
+ | Used with magneto (29504-48A). \\ | ||
Magneto Adapter (29600-48), Oil Seal (29603-48), Adapter to Crankcase Gasket (32522-37). \\ | Magneto Adapter (29600-48), Oil Seal (29603-48), Adapter to Crankcase Gasket (32522-37). \\ | ||
1 pc mount. Mag bolts 'hard' to plate. Timing is fixed because the mag can't move once bolted. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\ | 1 pc mount. Mag bolts 'hard' to plate. Timing is fixed because the mag can't move once bolted. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\ | ||
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**L1962-1964**: \\ | **L1962-1964**: \\ | ||
+ | Used with magneto (29504-48B). \\ | ||
Magneto Adapter (29600-62), Oil Seal (29603-48), Adapter to Crankcase Gasket (32522-37). ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\ | Magneto Adapter (29600-62), Oil Seal (29603-48), Adapter to Crankcase Gasket (32522-37). ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\ | ||
1 pc mount. Mag bolts 'hard' to plate. Timing is fixed because the mag can't move once bolted. \\ | 1 pc mount. Mag bolts 'hard' to plate. Timing is fixed because the mag can't move once bolted. \\ | ||
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Uses tach drive mag and SEAL STYLE A. Uses gasket between the mount plate and cover surface. \\ | Uses tach drive mag and SEAL STYLE A. Uses gasket between the mount plate and cover surface. \\ | ||
- | **Adjustable Magnetos**: \\ | + | **Adjustable Magneto Adapters**: \\ |
- | Those 2 big holes on the 62> mag lower housing slots are access holes for 2 of the 4 screws that hold the lower mag housing to the mag body. \\ | + | A lot of parts got modified by owners over the years so you could have something that don't match the descriptions below. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1130489)) \\ |
- | L62-64 had rectangular 'washers' that straddled the big holes. 65-69 had the arm that control cable attached to that straddled the holes. \\ | + | These are the basics to the OEM moveable mount hubs: \\ |
- | Uses #12-24 x 15/32" countersunk flat slot head screws (1865W) to hold plate to cam cover. \\ | + | Plain hub (no counterbore or slot) = E1965 \\ |
+ | Counterbored (only) = L1965-E1967 \\ | ||
+ | Counterbored and slotted = L1967-E1968 \\ | ||
+ | Slotted (only) = L1968-1969 \\ | ||
**E1965**: \\ | **E1965**: \\ | ||
+ | Used with magneto (29504-48B). \\ | ||
Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65), Lower Magneto Adapter (29604-65), Oil Seal (29603-48), Adapter to Crankcase Gasket (32522-37). \\ | Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65), Lower Magneto Adapter (29604-65), Oil Seal (29603-48), Adapter to Crankcase Gasket (32522-37). \\ | ||
The 1st 'movable' setup. 2 pc (ring & hub) mount. Timing screw has a spring over it to hold adjustment (for minor adjustments). ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\ | The 1st 'movable' setup. 2 pc (ring & hub) mount. Timing screw has a spring over it to hold adjustment (for minor adjustments). ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\ | ||
Uses tach mag and SEAL STYLE A. Very rare. Uses #12-24 x 15/32" countersunk flat slot head screws (1865W) to hold plate to cam cover. \\ | Uses tach mag and SEAL STYLE A. Very rare. Uses #12-24 x 15/32" countersunk flat slot head screws (1865W) to hold plate to cam cover. \\ | ||
- | Uses gasket between the mount plate and cover surface. \\ | + | No counterbore in hub. Uses gasket between the mount plate and cover surface. \\ |
Mount plate hub height is .390". \\ | Mount plate hub height is .390". \\ | ||
**L1965-E1967**: \\ | **L1965-E1967**: \\ | ||
+ | Used with magneto (29504-48B). \\ | ||
Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65A), Lower Magneto Adapter (29604-65A), O-ring Seal (11101), Mounting Spacer (5944), NO GASKET. \\ | Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65A), Lower Magneto Adapter (29604-65A), O-ring Seal (11101), Mounting Spacer (5944), NO GASKET. \\ | ||
2 pc (ring & hub) mount. Hub now has a counter bore added on it's top surface to accept an O-ring with a washer on top of O-ring. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\ | 2 pc (ring & hub) mount. Hub now has a counter bore added on it's top surface to accept an O-ring with a washer on top of O-ring. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\ | ||
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**L1967-E1968**: \\ | **L1967-E1968**: \\ | ||
+ | Used with magneto (29504-48B). \\ | ||
Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65B), Lower Magneto Adapter (29603-67), O-ring Seal (11101), Mounting Spacer (5944), NO GASKET. \\ | Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65B), Lower Magneto Adapter (29603-67), O-ring Seal (11101), Mounting Spacer (5944), NO GASKET. \\ | ||
2 pc (ring & hub) mount. Hub now has counterbore and added slot at 12:00 to accept a roll pin that limits the amount of available timing rotation. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\ | 2 pc (ring & hub) mount. Hub now has counterbore and added slot at 12:00 to accept a roll pin that limits the amount of available timing rotation. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\ | ||
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**L1968-1969**: \\ | **L1968-1969**: \\ | ||
+ | Used with magneto (29505-67). \\ | ||
Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65C), Lower Magneto Adapter (29603-67), Lipped Oil Seal (12023), NO GASKET. \\ | Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65C), Lower Magneto Adapter (29603-67), Lipped Oil Seal (12023), NO GASKET. \\ | ||
2 pc (ring & hub) mount. Hub is changed again. Still has the slot but the counterbore (introduced in L65) is deleted. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\ | 2 pc (ring & hub) mount. Hub is changed again. Still has the slot but the counterbore (introduced in L65) is deleted. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\ | ||
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- | L1968-1969 Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65C) came with oil seal: ((photos courtesy of Ebay seller, jrsvintageharley1990. [[https://www.ebay.com/str/jrsvintageharleyparts?_trksid=p2047675.l2563|Link to Ebay Store]] )) \\ | + | Adapter pics from Dr Dick. ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\ |
- | {{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1968l-1969_upper_magneto_adapter_plate_and_oil_seal_29600-65c_by_jrsvintageharley1990_pic1.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1968l-1969_upper_magneto_adapter_plate_and_oil_seal_29600-65c_by_jrsvintageharley1990_pic2.jpg?direct&300|}} \\ | + | | L1965-E1967 upper and lower mag adapters | L1967-E1968 upper and lower mag adapters | 1965-1969 hub dims | |
+ | |{{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1965l-e1967_xlch_magneto_mounting_plates_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1967l-e1968_xlch_magneto_adapters_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1965-1969_xlch_upper_magneto_adapter_hub_dims_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}| | ||
+ | L1968-1969 Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65C) came with oil seal: ((photos courtesy of Ebay seller, jrsvintageharley1990. [[https://www.ebay.com/str/jrsvintageharleyparts?_trksid=p2047675.l2563|Link to Ebay Store]] )), 1965-1969 Lower Adapter to the right ((photo courtesy of TomsCyberShop.com www.TomsCyberShop.com)) \\ | ||
+ | {{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1968l-1969_upper_magneto_adapter_plate_and_oil_seal_29600-65c_by_jrsvintageharley1990_pic1.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1968l-1969_upper_magneto_adapter_plate_and_oil_seal_29600-65c_by_jrsvintageharley1990_pic2.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1965-1969_magneto_lower_mounting_adapter_by_toms_cyber_shop.jpg?direct&300|}} \\ | ||
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+ | ====== Bearing and Support Housing ====== | ||
+ | From 1958-1969, these parts had the same part number but the bearing support was factory modded several times. \\ | ||
+ | Bearing support (29561-55) \\ | ||
+ | Rotor cam end (upper) bearing (29562-59) \\ | ||
+ | Rotor shaft end (lower) bearing (29563-59) \\ | ||
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+ | Upper bearing plate differences provided by Dr Dick ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1062720&page=26)) \\ | ||
+ | {{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1957-1969_magneto_bearing_supports_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&400|}} \\ | ||
====== Keyed Mags ====== | ====== Keyed Mags ====== | ||
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+ | ====== Various Documentation ====== | ||
+ | **Instructions for the Joe Hunt Early Sportster Magneto**: \\ | ||
+ | Click on a pic to enlarge: ((photos from this post from Chevelle of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1391033)) \\ | ||
+ | {{:techtalk:ih:engctl:ins-magneto-joe_hunt_early_sportster_pic1.jpg?direct&400|}} {{:techtalk:ih:engctl:ins-magneto-joe_hunt_early_sportster_pic2.jpg?direct&400|}} \\ | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | ====== Related Links ====== | ||
+ | ….[[https://morrismagneto.com/|Link to Morris Magneto.com]] | ||
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