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hippysmack [Mounting Adapters]
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hippysmack [Bearing and Support Housing]
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   * B): a square section rubber ring that gets installed into the cam cover bore. . \\ An O-ring & washer installs between the top of the mount plate & the bottom of the mag (washer to mag & O-ring to plate). \\
   * C): a real oil seal that gets installed into the cam cover bore under the mount plate. \\
+**Cam Cover to Adapter Gasket**: \\
+-E1965 adapters use gasket (32522-37). ((DR Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1637862&page=4)) \\
+The parts catalogs say the gasket was available for 1958-1969 XLCH. \\
+However, gaskets are known to lose their structural integrity (used on movable mount systems) resulting in the hub working loose from the cover. \\
+HD got away from the gasket in mid 1965 for this reason. \\
+So L1965-1969 setups don't use a gasket. \\
+A bike with no seals barely leaks because the mag drive gears don't get very much oil. \\
+The oil they do get is "splash" oil. A very small amount of oil gets to drive gears by oil passing thru #2 cam bushing. \\
 **Screw and Washers**: \\
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 Uses #12-24 x 15/32" countersunk flat slot head screws (1865W) to hold plate to cam cover. \\
-**Fixed Position Magnetos**: \\
+**Fixed Position Magneto Adapters**: \\
 **1958-E1962**: \\
+Used with magneto (29504-48A). \\
 Magneto Adapter (29600-48), Oil Seal (29603-48), Adapter to Crankcase Gasket (32522-37). \\
 pc mount. Mag bolts 'hard' to plate. Timing is fixed because the mag can't move once bolted. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\
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 **L1962-1964**: \\
+Used with magneto (29504-48B). \\
 Magneto Adapter (29600-62),  Oil Seal (29603-48),  Adapter to Crankcase Gasket (32522-37). ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\
 pc mount. Mag bolts 'hard' to plate. Timing is fixed because the mag can't move once bolted. \\
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 Uses tach drive mag and SEAL STYLE A. Uses gasket between the mount plate and cover surface. \\
-**Adjustable Magnetos**: \\
+**Adjustable Magneto Adapters**: \\
+A lot of parts got modified by owners over the years so you could have something that don't match the descriptions below. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1130489)) \\
+These are the basics to the OEM moveable mount hubs: \\
+Plain hub (no counterbore or slot) = E1965 \\
+Counterbored (only) = L1965-E1967 \\
+Counterbored and slotted = L1967-E1968 \\
+Slotted (only) = L1968-1969 \\
 **E1965**: \\
+Used with magneto (29504-48B). \\
 Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65), Lower Magneto Adapter (29604-65), Oil Seal (29603-48),  Adapter to Crankcase Gasket (32522-37). \\
 The 1st 'movable' setup. 2 pc (ring & hub) mount. Timing screw has a spring over it to hold adjustment (for minor adjustments). ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\
 Uses tach mag and SEAL STYLE A. Very rare. Uses #12-24 x 15/32" countersunk flat slot head screws (1865W) to hold plate to cam cover. \\
-Uses gasket between the mount plate and cover surface. \\
+No counterbore in hub. Uses gasket between the mount plate and cover surface. \\
 Mount plate hub height is .390". \\
 **L1965-E1967**: \\
+Used with magneto (29504-48B). \\
 Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65A), Lower Magneto Adapter (29604-65A), O-ring Seal (11101), Mounting Spacer (5944), NO GASKET. \\
 pc (ring & hub) mount. Hub now has a counter bore added on it's top surface to accept an O-ring with a washer on top of O-ring. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\
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 **L1967-E1968**: \\
+Used with magneto (29504-48B). \\
 Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65B), Lower Magneto Adapter (29603-67), O-ring Seal (11101), Mounting Spacer (5944), NO GASKET. \\
 pc (ring & hub) mount. Hub now has counterbore and added slot at 12:00 to accept a roll pin that limits the amount of available timing rotation. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\
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 **L1968-1969**: \\
+Used with magneto (29505-67). \\
 Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65C), Lower Magneto Adapter (29603-67), Lipped Oil Seal (12023), NO GASKET. \\
 pc (ring & hub) mount. Hub is changed again. Still has the slot but the counterbore (introduced in L65) is deleted. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\
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-L1968-1969 Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65C) came with oil seal: ((photos courtesy of Ebay seller, jrsvintageharley1990. [[https://www.ebay.com/str/jrsvintageharleyparts?_trksid=p2047675.l2563|Link to Ebay Store]] )) \\
+Adapter pics from Dr Dick. ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3687617#post3687617)) \\
-{{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1968l-1969_upper_magneto_adapter_plate_and_oil_seal_29600-65c_by_jrsvintageharley1990_pic1.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1968l-1969_upper_magneto_adapter_plate_and_oil_seal_29600-65c_by_jrsvintageharley1990_pic2.jpg?direct&300|}}  \\
+|  L1965-E1967 upper and lower mag adapters  |  L1967-E1968 upper and lower mag adapters  |  1965-1969 hub dims  |
+|{{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1965l-e1967_xlch_magneto_mounting_plates_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1967l-e1968_xlch_magneto_adapters_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1965-1969_xlch_upper_magneto_adapter_hub_dims_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}}|
+L1968-1969 Upper Magneto Adapter (29600-65C) came with oil seal: ((photos courtesy of Ebay seller, jrsvintageharley1990. [[https://www.ebay.com/str/jrsvintageharleyparts?_trksid=p2047675.l2563|Link to Ebay Store]] )), 1965-1969 Lower Adapter to the right ((photo courtesy of TomsCyberShop.com www.TomsCyberShop.com)) \\
+{{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1968l-1969_upper_magneto_adapter_plate_and_oil_seal_29600-65c_by_jrsvintageharley1990_pic1.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1968l-1969_upper_magneto_adapter_plate_and_oil_seal_29600-65c_by_jrsvintageharley1990_pic2.jpg?direct&300|}}  {{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1965-1969_magneto_lower_mounting_adapter_by_toms_cyber_shop.jpg?direct&300|}} \\
+====== Bearing and Support Housing ======
+From 1958-1969, these parts had the same part number but the bearing support was factory modded several times. \\
+Bearing support (29561-55) \\
+Rotor cam end (upper) bearing (29562-59) \\
+Rotor shaft end (lower) bearing (29563-59) \\
+Upper bearing plate differences provided by Dr Dick ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1062720&page=26)) \\
+{{:techtalk:ih:engctl:1957-1969_magneto_bearing_supports_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&400|}} \\
 ====== Keyed Mags ======
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+====== Various Documentation ======
+**Instructions for the Joe Hunt Early Sportster Magneto**: \\
+Click on a pic to enlarge: ((photos from this post from Chevelle of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1391033)) \\
+{{:techtalk:ih:engctl:ins-magneto-joe_hunt_early_sportster_pic1.jpg?direct&400|}} {{:techtalk:ih:engctl:ins-magneto-joe_hunt_early_sportster_pic2.jpg?direct&400|}} \\
+{{:techtalk:ih:engctl:ins-magneto-joe_hunt_early_sportster_pic3.jpg?direct&400|}} {{:techtalk:ih:engctl:ins-magneto-joe_hunt_early_sportster_pic4.jpg?direct&400|}} \\
+----
+====== Related Links ======
+….[[https://morrismagneto.com/|Link to Morris Magneto.com]]
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