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+Rocker covers are all the same technically from 1957 to 1985. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/196603-parts-interchange-rocker-boxes-and-rockers?t=2073162)) \\
+Different part numbers are a different finish or style. The should be no concerns about mixing ones from different years respectively per side. \\
+There is, however, a front and a rear. It has to do with the location of the oil feed lines. ((brucstoudt of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/196603-parts-interchange-rocker-boxes-and-rockers?t=2073162)) \\
+The front box has the hole to the rear. The rear box has the hole to the front. \\
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+|  1957-1985 Sportster Rocker Boxes  |||
 |Year Model|  Part Number  ||
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 |83 XLX ((1979-1985 HD Parts Catalog pg 7))|17524-83|17525-83|
-===== 57-70 Models =====
+{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:74_xlh_rocker_box_by_the_doctor71.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by The Doctor71 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/180885-rocker-box?t=1946888)) \\
-===== 71-85 (except XLX) =====
+===== 1957-1970 =====
-|  71-85 rocker boxes (F: 17514-71 and R: 17515-71). ((photos by sc72 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1717592&page=11))  |||
+|  Rocker boxes from a 68 XLCH. ((photos by ChefRex of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/180885-rocker-box/page2?page=2&t=1946888))  |||
+|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:68_rocker_boxes_1_by_chefrex.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:68_rocker_boxes_2_by_chefrex.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:68_rocker_boxes_3_by_chefrex.jpg?direct&300|}}|
+===== 1971-1985 (except XLX) =====
+The 71 up have a thicker rib across the pushrod side and most people feel they're more rigid. ((mrmom9r of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/157216-my-way-of-dual-plugging-heads?t=1682099&highlight=splitting+rocker+box)) \\
+They do look better under a strobe light than the early ones. \\
+{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:71_xlch_rocker_boxes_by_the_doctor71.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by The Doctor71 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/180885-rocker-box?t=1946888)) \\
+|  71-85 rocker boxes (F: 17514-71 and R: 17515-71). ((photos by sc72 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/160106-where-to-go-from-here/page11?t=1717592&page=11))  |||
 |{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:71-85_rocker_boxes_4_by_sc72.jpg?direct&250|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:71-85_rocker_boxes_3_by_sc72.jpg?direct&250|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:71-85_rocker_boxes_2_by_sc72.jpg?direct&250|}}|
 |{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:71-85_rocker_boxes_1_by_sc72.jpg?direct&250|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:71-85_rocker_boxes_5_by_sc72.jpg?direct&250|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:71-85_rocker_boxes_6_by_sc72.jpg?direct&250|}}|
+===== Rocker Box Gaskets =====
+-1969 Sportsters did not come factory with rocker box gaskets. \\
+Instead, a layer of silver paint was applied between each rocker box and head for sealing. \\
+In 1970, a gasket (17536-70) was introduced and retros back to 1957 models. The same gasket is used on each rocker box (2 required). \\
+{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:1957-1985_sportster_rocker_box_gaskets_17536-70_by_jrsvintageharley1990.jpg?direct&400|}} ((photo courtesy of Ebay seller, jrsvintageharley1990. [[https://www.ebay.com/str/jrsvintageharleyparts?_trksid=p2047675.l2563|Link to Ebay Store]]  )) \\
 ====== Rocker Arms ======
-|  Rocker arms on a 69 XLH ((photos by austinshovel of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1913766&highlight=rocker+arm+bushings))  ||
+|  Rocker arms on a 69 XLH ((photos by austinshovel of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/177954-rocker-arms-assemblies-1969-xlh?t=1913766&highlight=rocker+arm+bushings))  ||
 |{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:ih_rocker_arms_1_by_austinshovel.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:ih_rocker_arms_2_by_austinshovel.jpg?direct&300|}}|
+====== Pushrod Tubes ======
+===== Pushrod Tube Orientation =====
+The 1959-1969 Service manual has an (errored) illustration of the pushrod tube assembly. \\
+The illustration shows the bottom tube upside down with the flared end facing the tappet block. \\
+This is incorrect and has been corrected in the 1970-1978 as well as the 1979-1985 service manuals. \\
+The flat end goes down and the flared end goes up. \\
+And here is why.  (Pushrod tube orientation by Dr Dick) ((https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/132128-pushrod-tubes?postcount=11#post2826714)) \\
+Pushrod tubes seal in 3 places. 2 of those, the upper and lower corks, seal on their flat faces. \\
+Now think about the center cork. What does it seal? \\
+The only joint at center position is the telescope joint. So seal needs to be on outside of the upper tube where it meets the inside of the lower tube. \\
+With the center cork being spring loaded into the flare on the lower tube; \\
+The cork gets squeezed into the flare and 'chinese handcuffs' to the outside of the upper. \\
+Not only does this seal the telescope, it tends to reduce the OD of the center cork as it squeezes around the inner tube. \\
+So what? \\
+Well, if you flip the lower tube so the flat is at center cork, the spring still squeezes the cork. \\
+As the cork gets pushed thinner, it gets smaller on it's ID sealing just as it needs to. \\
+But it also gets bigger on it's OD (sealing to the inside of the spring cup piece. \\
+And trapping rain/wash water inside the cup above the cork (rusting the spring until it snaps). \\
+Meanwhile at the bottom, the cork is getting squeezed into the flare. \\
+Nothing is there for the cork to seal to until the cork gets small enough in diameter. \\
+And fat enough in thickness that the tappet starts to be the thing it wants to seal to. \\
+On a bike with stock or even .436 lift cams, this just creates a leak at bottom cork after enough miles. \\
+But if you happen to have a bike with more lift-- say .475 for instance, then the top of tappet may go above the cork seat surface of guide at full lift. \\
+Now that extra tappet-cork kissing contest works the cork into the tube flare real fast. \\
+Maybe fast enough that it constricts oil flow before you get home and notice the leak. \\
+And the ensuing tappet/guide wear from letting the lube escape from the tube each time the tappets hits the cork. \\
+(lifting it off the guide and letting lube out to the wind) \\
+Look at the shape of the rocker box seat. Its reverse flare to squeeze the cork tight to the OD of the bore in the box. \\
+So it don't fall down every time you open the tube. \\
+You late model guys who have the full O-ring setup instead of corks, some of you may suffer from crappy top and bottom O-ring life. \\
+When you take the bad O-rings out, they are smashed flat. To get rid of that, try putting corks in the center position only. \\
+It's the center O-ring getting tighter an tighter that kills the end of the O-ring by not letting the tube to telescope shorter during hot cold cycle. \\
+That's why the center O-rings are always jammed. \\
+Periodic maintenance is one of the hallmarks of a devoted owner. \\
+When possible, while building your ride working to extend the period between these required attentions may keep money in your pocket and your bike on the road. \\
+{{:techtalk:ih:engmech:1979_xlh1000_pushrod_tube_orientation_by_smerch.jpg?direct&400|}} ((photo by Smerch of the XLFORUM, cropped and labeled by Hippysmack https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/132128-pushrod-tubes/page2?highlight=pushrod+tube+upside#post3835539)) \\
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