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techtalk:ref:oil05g [2019/08/17 01:06] hippysmack [norseXL's 1986 Engine Oiling Mods] |
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| ====== REF: Oiling & Lubrication - Sub-05G ====== | ====== REF: Oiling & Lubrication - Sub-05G ====== | ||
| - | ====== norseXL's 1986 Engine Oiling Mods ====== | ||
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| - | Tapping the discharge hole is another way of getting the excess oil back to the tank without running it through the engine first. \\ | ||
| - | The rear discharge hole was plugged and the side of the discharge hole was tapped with and 1/8" nipple. \\ | ||
| - | A hole was drilled into the top of the mount behind the internal cavities for a hose to run from there straight to the oil tank cap. ((photo by norseXL of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1458269&page=2)) \\ | ||
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| - | With the cases apart, the vent / splash holes to the cam chest were enlarged and ported. \\ | ||
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| - | | Oil pressure regulator blocked off. ((photo by norseXL of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1386341)) | Vent holes widened (inside and outside views). ((photos by norseXL of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1386341)) || | ||
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| - | The umbrella valve in the cam cover was removed and a larger hose fitting was added to use a reed valve for crankcase breathing instead. \\ | ||
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| - | A windage tray was made with a 2mm thick aluminum plate to also act as a flywheel scraper. \\ | ||
| - | The front part was bent toward the fly-wheels after the pic below was taken. ((norseXL of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1833647)) \\ | ||
| - | The bolts are secured with Loctite (2701). \\ | ||
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| - | | Reed valve. ((photo by norseXL of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1386341)) | Homemade windage tray. ((photo by norseXL of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1386341)) | | ||
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| - | Cam box oiling was also modified. \\ | ||
| - | A line was tapped into the bottom of the case so the oil level doesn't rise above the castings for the bolts to flow to the scavenge hole at the rear of the crankcase. \\ | ||
| - | Also an external drain was plumbed from the cam chest to the crankcase (under the windage-plate). \\ | ||
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| ====== Rubine's Mod to Move Oil Scavenging to the Front on an S&S Pro Stock Case ====== | ====== Rubine's Mod to Move Oil Scavenging to the Front on an S&S Pro Stock Case ====== | ||
| Article by Rubine of the XLFORUM ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=16)) \\ | Article by Rubine of the XLFORUM ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=16)) \\ | ||
| - | This is an upgraded oil return to change the scavenge to the front of the engine. \\ | + | This is an upgraded oil return to change the oil scavenging to the front of the engine. \\ |
| + | Also important to note is the engine was mounted on a 15 degree forward lean. \\ | ||
| + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:2000_custom_88_sport_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300 |}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=19)) \\ | ||
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| It also incorporates a modified 07 XL oil pump (modified by Charlie Karling of Karling Racing). \\ | It also incorporates a modified 07 XL oil pump (modified by Charlie Karling of Karling Racing). \\ | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:karling_modded_07_oil_pump_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=10)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_24_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} \\ | + | See more on the [[techtalk:ref:oil05f|Karling Oil Pump Mod]] for the newer oil pumps here in the Sportsterpedia. \\ |
| + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:karling_modded_07_oil_pump_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=10)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_24_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} \\ | ||
| The fittings are all stainless and they're thin wall so no I.D. has been lost. Its actually been opened up a bit. \\ | The fittings are all stainless and they're thin wall so no I.D. has been lost. Its actually been opened up a bit. \\ | ||
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| Black circle in the first pic below is where the cam chest drain will come out. \\ | Black circle in the first pic below is where the cam chest drain will come out. \\ | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_3_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=16)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_6_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=26)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_2_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=16)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_3_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=16)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_6_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=26)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_2_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=16)) \\ |
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_1_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=16)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_5_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=26)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_4_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_1_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=16)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_5_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=26)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_4_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=17)) \\ |
| Scavenging is done by 2 separate things at the same time. \\ | Scavenging is done by 2 separate things at the same time. \\ | ||
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| The plan is to drill and tap into the factory windage tray and the case at the front of the new tray with countersunk 1/4" UNC cap screws and 243 Loctite. \\ | The plan is to drill and tap into the factory windage tray and the case at the front of the new tray with countersunk 1/4" UNC cap screws and 243 Loctite. \\ | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_7_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=26)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_8_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=26)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_7_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=26)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_8_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=26)) |
| To re-direct the oil to the front of the sump, \\ | To re-direct the oil to the front of the sump, \\ | ||
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| The sample is 16 x 8 x 2mm. \\ | The sample is 16 x 8 x 2mm. \\ | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_9_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_10_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_9_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_10_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) |
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_11_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_11_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) |
| With several attempts of trial and error and more tig welds, it's coming together. \\ | With several attempts of trial and error and more tig welds, it's coming together. \\ | ||
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| The fins are more informed slightly thicker with consistent welds. \\ | The fins are more informed slightly thicker with consistent welds. \\ | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_12_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_13_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_14_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_12_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_13_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_14_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) |
| The windage tray was re-made also out of 3mm aluminum for a better countersink and the fin was redone based on arches are stronger than right angles. \\ | The windage tray was re-made also out of 3mm aluminum for a better countersink and the fin was redone based on arches are stronger than right angles. \\ | ||
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| But... will you be able to see anything, or when the motor is running will it just turn cloudy brown? If you shine a torch you can actually see the scavenge point inside the cases, through the tube. That would be nice to see with the engine running. Doubtful though.</blockquote> | But... will you be able to see anything, or when the motor is running will it just turn cloudy brown? If you shine a torch you can actually see the scavenge point inside the cases, through the tube. That would be nice to see with the engine running. Doubtful though.</blockquote> | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_15_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=32)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_16_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=32)) \\ | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_15_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=32)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_16_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=32)) \\ |
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_17_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=32)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_18_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=35)) \\ | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_17_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=32)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_18_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=35)) \\ |
| Below, the last bit for the cases is done includeing the glass drain. \\ | Below, the last bit for the cases is done includeing the glass drain. \\ | ||
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| The flywheel scraper was originally set at .015" from the flywheels but it was later moved slightly farther away. \\ | The flywheel scraper was originally set at .015" from the flywheels but it was later moved slightly farther away. \\ | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_19_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=36)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_19_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=36)) |
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_20_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=36)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_20_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=36)) |
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_21_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=41)) \\ | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_21_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=41)) \\ |
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_23_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=42)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_23_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=42)) |
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