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| ====== REF: Oiling & Lubrication - Sub-05G ====== | ====== REF: Oiling & Lubrication - Sub-05G ====== | ||
| - | ====== norseXL's 1986 Engine Oiling Mods ====== | + | ====== Rubine's Mod to Move Oil Scavenging to the Front on an S&S Pro Stock Case ====== |
| + | Article by Rubine of the XLFORUM ((https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page16?t=1861960&page=16)) \\ | ||
| - | ==== Tapping the Discharge Hole ==== | + | This is an upgraded oil return to change the oil scavenging to the front of the engine. \\ |
| - | + | Also important to note is the engine was mounted on a 15 degree forward lean. \\ | |
| - | This is another way of getting the excess oil back to the tank without running it through the engine first. \\ | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:2000_custom_88_sport_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300 |}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page19?t=1861960&page=19)) \\ |
| - | The rear discharge hole was plugged and the side of the discharge hole was tapped with and 1/8" nipple. \\ | + | \\ |
| - | A hole was drilled into the top of the mount behind the internal cavities for a hose to run from there straight to the oil tank cap. ((photo by norseXL of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1458269&page=2)) \\ | + | |
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| - | ====== Rubine's Mod to Move Oil Scavenging to the Front on an S&S Pro Stock Case ====== | + | |
| - | Article by Rubine of the XLFORUM ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=16)) \\ | + | |
| - | This is an upgraded oil return to change the scavenge to the front of the engine. \\ | ||
| It also incorporates a modified 07 XL oil pump (modified by Charlie Karling of Karling Racing). \\ | It also incorporates a modified 07 XL oil pump (modified by Charlie Karling of Karling Racing). \\ | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:karling_modded_07_oil_pump_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=10)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_24_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} \\ | + | See more on the [[techtalk:ref:oil05f|Karling Oil Pump Mod]] for the newer oil pumps here in the Sportsterpedia. \\ |
| + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:karling_modded_07_oil_pump_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page10?t=1861960&page=10)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_24_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} \\ | ||
| The fittings are all stainless and they're thin wall so no I.D. has been lost. Its actually been opened up a bit. \\ | The fittings are all stainless and they're thin wall so no I.D. has been lost. Its actually been opened up a bit. \\ | ||
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| Black circle in the first pic below is where the cam chest drain will come out. \\ | Black circle in the first pic below is where the cam chest drain will come out. \\ | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_3_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=16)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_6_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=26)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_2_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=16)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_3_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page16?t=1861960&page=16)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_6_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page26?t=1861960&page=26)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_2_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page16?t=1861960&page=16)) \\ |
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_1_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=16)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_5_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=26)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_4_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_1_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page16?t=1861960&page=16)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_5_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page26?t=1861960&page=26)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_4_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page17?t=1861960&page=17)) \\ |
| Scavenging is done by 2 separate things at the same time. \\ | Scavenging is done by 2 separate things at the same time. \\ | ||
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| The plan is to drill and tap into the factory windage tray and the case at the front of the new tray with countersunk 1/4" UNC cap screws and 243 Loctite. \\ | The plan is to drill and tap into the factory windage tray and the case at the front of the new tray with countersunk 1/4" UNC cap screws and 243 Loctite. \\ | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_7_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=26)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_8_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=26)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_7_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page26?t=1861960&page=26)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_8_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page26?t=1861960&page=26)) |
| - | To re-direct the oil to the front of the sump, \\ | + | To re-direct the oil to the front of the sump, a raised expanded mesh was cut to make a pattern. \\ |
| - | A raised expanded mesh was cut to make a pattern. \\ | + | |
| Then the actual piece was cut out of mild steel (so it can be welded). \\ | Then the actual piece was cut out of mild steel (so it can be welded). \\ | ||
| This will act as a damper, have surface area to help the gas and oil separate, and act as a directional spoiler (to help get oil to where it's supposed to go). \\ | This will act as a damper, have surface area to help the gas and oil separate, and act as a directional spoiler (to help get oil to where it's supposed to go). \\ | ||
| The sample is 16 x 8 x 2mm. \\ | The sample is 16 x 8 x 2mm. \\ | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_9_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_10_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_9_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page28?t=1861960&page=28)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_10_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page28?t=1861960&page=28)) |
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_11_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_11_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page28?t=1861960&page=28)) |
| With several attempts of trial and error and more tig welds, it's coming together. \\ | With several attempts of trial and error and more tig welds, it's coming together. \\ | ||
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| The fins are more informed slightly thicker with consistent welds. \\ | The fins are more informed slightly thicker with consistent welds. \\ | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_12_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_13_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_14_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=28)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_12_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page28?t=1861960&page=28)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_13_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page28?t=1861960&page=28)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_14_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page28?t=1861960&page=28)) |
| The windage tray was re-made also out of 3mm aluminum for a better countersink and the fin was redone based on arches are stronger than right angles. \\ | The windage tray was re-made also out of 3mm aluminum for a better countersink and the fin was redone based on arches are stronger than right angles. \\ | ||
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| But... will you be able to see anything, or when the motor is running will it just turn cloudy brown? If you shine a torch you can actually see the scavenge point inside the cases, through the tube. That would be nice to see with the engine running. Doubtful though.</blockquote> | But... will you be able to see anything, or when the motor is running will it just turn cloudy brown? If you shine a torch you can actually see the scavenge point inside the cases, through the tube. That would be nice to see with the engine running. Doubtful though.</blockquote> | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_15_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=32)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_16_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=32)) \\ | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_15_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page32?t=1861960&page=32)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_16_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page32?t=1861960&page=32)) \\ |
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_17_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=32)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_18_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=35)) \\ | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_17_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page32?t=1861960&page=32)) {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_18_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=35)) \\ |
| Below, the last bit for the cases is done includeing the glass drain. \\ | Below, the last bit for the cases is done includeing the glass drain. \\ | ||
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| The flywheel scraper was originally set at .015" from the flywheels but it was later moved slightly farther away. \\ | The flywheel scraper was originally set at .015" from the flywheels but it was later moved slightly farther away. \\ | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_19_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=36)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_19_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page36?t=1861960&page=36)) |
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_20_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=36)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_20_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page36?t=1861960&page=36)) |
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_21_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=41)) \\ | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_21_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page41?t=1861960&page=41)) \\ |
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_23_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Rubine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1861960&page=42)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:oil:reversed_scavenging_location_23_by_rubine.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by rubine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-project/173419-88ci-sport-rod/page42?t=1861960&page=42)) |
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