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--- techtalk:ref:elec18 [2022/03/17 07:17]
ixl2relax [HD 70900274 Combination Speedo/Tach]
+++ techtalk:ref:elec18 [2024/01/13 22:11] (current)
hippysmack
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 If you have a 2007-later model, and you choose not to install the 61200008A Fuel Level Sensor Kit, you may use the Speedo/Tach with the stock float sensor to indicate a Low Fuel condition ONLY, rather than installing the multi-level sensor kit. Once installed, set the speedometer fuel tank setting to 'none' to indicate you are NOT using the fuel gauge. Then shut off the keyswitch and remove the MaxiFuse for about 15-minutes. This will cause the speedometer, ECM (& BCM) to reset and discover your preferences.
-If this Speedo/Tach is installed on a 2007 model, you must remove the stock 2007 Fuel Sender Resistor Pack (72545-07 - which uses 240/240 ohm resistors) and install the 2008-later version (72545-08 - which uses 8K/2K ohm resistors). ((Thanks to Virto of the XLForum for help in pinning down the information regarding the implementation on the 2007 models - http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2077413))
+If this Speedo/Tach is installed on a 2007 model, you must remove the stock 2007 Fuel Sender Resistor Pack (72545-07 - which uses 240/240 ohm resistors) and install the 2008-later version (72545-08 - which uses 8K/2K ohm resistors). ((Thanks to Virto of the XLForum for help in pinning down the information regarding the implementation on the 2007 models - https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/efi-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2007-and-up/200418-just-installed-70900274-combo-gauge-fuel-light-stuck-on?t=2077413))
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 This 4" Combination Digital Speedometer and Analog Sweep Tachometer allows you to monitor engine speed, fuel level and gear position, without adding additional handlebar-mounted gauges.
-Fits 2014-later XL US models. Requires installation of Fuel Sensor Kit P/N 61200008A to use fuel level and range function.\\
+Fits 2014-later Sportster models (US). Features are the same as listed above for pre-2014 models.
+Requires installation of Fuel Sensor Kit P/N 61200008A to use fuel level and range function.\\
-Features are the same as listed above for pre-2014 models.
+HD Install Instructions for Speedometer/Tachometer P/N 70900475 can be found here:\\
+https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/service/document/239891?locale=en_US
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 {{ :techtalk:ref:elec:koso-tnt-01-spdtach.jpg?300|}}
-Koso North America - Product: TNT-01 Speedometer/Tachometer Gauge
+Koso North America - Product: TNT-01 Speedometer/Tachometer Gauge (Discontinued)
 Description & Features page is here (SKU: BA035W00-HD):\\
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 This model is compatible with:\\
--2003 - XL883/1200 - Uses OEM Vehicle Speed Sensor & Wrap Wire on Spark Plug Cable for RPMs
+-2003 - XL883/1200 - For RPM Signal Source - Can use OEM coil trigger, wrap wire on spark plug cable, connect to CPS (Cam Position Sensor) or from the tach trigger of an aftermarket ignition module.
 Installation Instructions are here:\\
-https://kosonorthamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/BA035W00-HD.pdf
+https://kosonorthamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/BA035K00-HD-update_v01_comp.pdf
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 Review by SonWon of the XLForum here:
-http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2077488
+https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-accessories/200489-koso-hd-01-04-2014?t=2077488
 \\
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 [[https://motogadget.com/shop/media/downloads/manual/msm_manual_en_2.3_k.pdf|Click Here for the Install Manual for the Mini.]]
-Wiring Functions for the Motoscope Mini Speedo/ODO/Tach((Pics by tfarmer49 at http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=454781 - Annotated by IXL2Relax)):
+Wiring Functions for the Motoscope Mini Speedo/ODO/Tach((Pics by tfarmer49 at https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-electrical-and-ignition/68406-motoscope-mini-tach-speedo-visor-install-08-1200l?t=454781 - Annotated by IXL2Relax)):
 | Wire Color | Function & Notes |
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 (It appears that only 12v sensors are compatible. Not the 5v versions)\\
+Here is a proposed wiring diagram from Post# xx of this [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-electrical-and-ignition/68406-motoscope-mini-tach-speedo-visor-install-08-1200l?t=454781|XLFORUM Thread:]]
+{{:techtalk:ref:elec:motogadget-user-wiring-mini-mcan-clamp.jpg|}}
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-Here is an explanation for the functioning of the Low Fuel Level sensors related to 2007-later models:((See discussion of 2007 models at http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2077413))
+Here is an explanation for the functioning of the Low Fuel Level sensors related to 2007-later models:((See discussion of 2007 models at https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/efi-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2007-and-up/200418-just-installed-70900274-combo-gauge-fuel-light-stuck-on?t=2077413))
 All the speedo & tachs with low fuel lamps or fuel gauges have an internal voltage level that is sent out to the sensors. That voltage level is monitored by the speedo to see how the sensor unit affects that voltage. Based on how the sensor affects that voltage, the speedo interprets those varied voltage levels as various fuel levels. (The voltage is nominally 12v supplied thru a pull-up resistor and the sensor creates a voltage divider - fixed or variable.)
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 ==== HD 61200008A XL Fuel Level Sensor Kit ====
-This kit has a graduated, in-tank sensor unit which is based on capacitive sensitive technology to accurately monitor the fuel level. Included is a jumper plug to replace the stock resistor pack and a new fuel pump gasket. Specified to be compatible with 70900100C, 70900274 and 70900475, it has been discovered that this kit will also enable operation of the fuel level gauge on the 2016-later 1200CX Roadster speedometer, P/N 70900549. ((XLForum Thread - http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2031561))
+This kit has a graduated, in-tank sensor unit which is based on capacitive sensitive technology to accurately monitor the fuel level. Included is a jumper plug to replace the stock resistor pack and a new fuel pump gasket. Specified to be compatible with 70900100C, 70900274 and 70900475, it has been discovered that this kit will also enable operation of the fuel level gauge on the 2016-later 1200CX Roadster speedometer, P/N 70900549. ((XLForum Thread - https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-electrical-and-ignition/190600-fitting-fuel-level-sensor-after-speedo-tach-on-2014-1200c?t=2031561))
 The in-tank sensor provides information to the Speedo/Tach so it can display the fuel level on the LCD for at-a-glance viewing. The part number of the in-tank sensor is 61200040.
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 Additional info at this XLForum Thread:\\
-http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2031561\\
+https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-electrical-and-ignition/190600-fitting-fuel-level-sensor-after-speedo-tach-on-2014-1200c?t=2031561\\
 [[https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/service/document/239915?locale=en_US|(HD Install Instructions Here)]]
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 ===== VSS - Modification for 1995-2003 12v Sensor =====
-There have been a lot of issues and malfunctions of speedometers in these years. The below modification is intended to raise the voltage under load for the sensor as a possible fix for intermittent malfunctions. ( See [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=800778|this XLForum Thread]] which is related.)
+There have been a lot of issues and malfunctions of speedometers in these years. The below modification is intended to raise the voltage under load for the sensor as a possible fix for intermittent malfunctions. ( See [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/95720-speedometer-problem-can-t-find-in-search?t=800778|this XLForum Thread]] which is related.)
 {{:techtalk:ref:elec:vss-12v-wiring-mod-reliability.jpg?400|}}
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 Apparently, S&S also had a conversion product (55-1007) that is no longer available.\\
-[[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23665|XLForum Thread]] - [[https://www.sscycle.com/docs/default-source/instruction-sheets/51-1056_speedometecalibrator55-1007_20060427.pdf?sfvrsn=4|Product Install]]
+[[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/14129-need-help-with-s-s-speedometer-recalibrator?t=23665|XLForum Thread]] - [[https://www.sscycle.com/docs/default-source/instruction-sheets/51-1056_speedometecalibrator55-1007_20060427.pdf?sfvrsn=4|Product Install]]
 (As always, the links provided were functional at the time they were listed. Search the web for the product model if the links are inactive.)
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-|Before. ((photo by Erik of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=320342&page=19))|
+|Before. ((photo by Erik of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/58938-totalled-my-engine/page19?t=320342&page=19))|
 |{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_speedo_1_by_erik.jpg?direct&300|}}|
-|After. ((photos by Erik of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=320342&page=19))|||
+|After. ((photos by Erik of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/58938-totalled-my-engine/page19?t=320342&page=19))|||
 |{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_speedo_11_by_erik.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_speedo_13_by_erik.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_speedo_12_by_erik.jpg?direct&300|}}|
-|Removed upper bar clamp bolts \\ with a 1/4" Allen wrench. ((photo by Erik of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=320342&page=19))|OEM Handlebar spacers (5736). ((photo by Erik of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=320342&page=19))|Added blue Loctite to the handlebar bolts. ((photo by Erik of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=320342&page=19))|
+|Removed upper bar clamp bolts \\ with a 1/4" Allen wrench. ((photo by Erik of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/58938-totalled-my-engine/page19?t=320342&page=19))|OEM Handlebar spacers (5736). ((photo by Erik of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/58938-totalled-my-engine/page19?t=320342&page=19))|Added blue Loctite to the handlebar bolts. ((photo by Erik of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/58938-totalled-my-engine/page19?t=320342&page=19))|
 |{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_speedo_2_by_erik.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_speedo_3_by_erik.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_speedo_4_by_erik.jpg?direct&300|}}|
-|Re-installed the bolts without speedo bracket. ((photo by Erik of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=320342&page=19))|Removed the eyebrow bolts with a 1/2" socket. ((photo by Erik of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=320342&page=19))|Replaced the OEM bolts with 1/4"x3-1/2" allen head \\ cap bolts. ((photo by Erik of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=320342&page=19))|
+|Re-installed the bolts without speedo bracket. ((photo by Erik of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/58938-totalled-my-engine/page19?t=320342&page=19))|Removed the eyebrow bolts with a 1/2" socket. ((photo by Erik of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/58938-totalled-my-engine/page19?t=320342&page=19))|Replaced the OEM bolts with 1/4"x3-1/2" allen head \\ cap bolts. ((photo by Erik of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/58938-totalled-my-engine/page19?t=320342&page=19))|
 |{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_speedo_5_by_erik.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_speedo_6_by_erik.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_speedo_7_by_erik.jpg?direct&300|}}|
-|1/2" O.D.x1/4" I.D. sleeves slid over the bolts with washers under the head. \\ Sleeves go between the eyebrow and the gauge housing. ((photos by Erik of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=320342&page=19))|||
+|1/2" O.D.x1/4" I.D. sleeves slid over the bolts with washers under the head. \\ Sleeves go between the eyebrow and the gauge housing. ((photos by Erik of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/58938-totalled-my-engine/page19?t=320342&page=19))|||
 |{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_speedo_8_by_erik.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_speedo_9_by_erik.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_speedo_10_by_erik.jpg?direct&300|}}|
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 ==== Other Pics of this Mod ====
-|Done on a 2001 1200S. \\ 1/2"x1-3/4" threaded rod couplers painted them black with 3-1/2" grade 8 bolts. ((photos by rokclmb of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=533222))||
+|Done on a 2001 1200S. \\ 1/2"x1-3/4" threaded rod couplers painted them black with 3-1/2" grade 8 bolts. ((photos by rokclmb of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/75492-my-version-of-the-xena-mod?t=533222))||
 |{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_01_1200s_gauges_1_by_rokclmb.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_01_1200s_gauges_2_by_rokclmb.jpg?direct&300|}}|
-|Done on an 89 883. ((photos by engine of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=350420))||
+|Done on an 89 883. ((photos by engine of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-custom-finishing/15906-another-xena-special-mod?postid=350420#post444856))||
 |{{:techtalk:ref:elec:89_883_speedo_relocation_1_by_engine.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:89_883_speedo_relocation_2_by_engine.jpg?direct&300|}}|
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    * Attach speedo using stock bracket (or any of your choice).
    * Insert socket head screws w/ washers through stock bracket into hose in clamp.
-   * Secure with acorn nuts. \\ (the white stuff around the riser is some white electrical tape to prevent scratching) ((photos by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50229&page=2))
+   * Secure with acorn nuts. \\ (the white stuff around the riser is some white electrical tape to prevent scratching) ((photos by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-custom-finishing/30142-speedo-mount-for-pullback-risers/page2?t=50229&page=2))
 |{{:techtalk:ref:elec:speedo_mount_for_pullback_risers_1_by_reddtigger.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:speedo_mount_for_pullback_risers_2_by_reddtigger.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:speedo_mount_for_pullback_risers_3_by_reddtigger.jpg?direct&300|}}|
-| A bungie cord across the bolts holds a water bottle in the middle ((photos by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50229))||
+| A bungie cord across the bolts holds a water bottle in the middle ((photos by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-custom-finishing/30142-speedo-mount-for-pullback-risers?t=50229))||
 |{{:techtalk:ref:elec:speedo_mount_for_pullback_risers_4_by_reddtigger.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:speedo_mount_for_pullback_risers_5_by_reddtigger.jpg?direct&300|}}|
-|Here's what it looks like with a tach added. ((photos by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50229))|||
+|Here's what it looks like with a tach added. ((photos by ReddTigger of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-custom-finishing/30142-speedo-mount-for-pullback-risers?t=50229))|||
 |{{:techtalk:ref:elec:speedo_mount_for_pullback_risers_6_by_reddtigger.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:speedo_mount_for_pullback_risers_7_by_reddtigger.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:speedo_mount_for_pullback_risers_8_by_reddtigger.jpg?direct&300|}}|
 ==== Other Pics of the Mod  ====
-|  Riser mounted cable clamps installed on the risers for guage mounts  ((photos by Choprocker of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3883&highlight=xena+mod&page=10))  ||
+|  Riser mounted cable clamps installed on the risers for guage mounts  ((photos by Choprocker of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-custom-finishing/2597-most-excellent-gauge-to-brow-mounts/page10?t=3883&highlight=xena+mod&page=10))  ||
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-|  Gauges mounted ((photos by Choprocker of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3883&highlight=xena+mod&page=10))  |||
+|  Gauges mounted ((photos by Choprocker of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/sportster-motorcycle-custom-finishing/2597-most-excellent-gauge-to-brow-mounts/page10?t=3883&highlight=xena+mod&page=10))  |||
 |{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_gauges_3_by_choprocker.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_gauges_4_by_choprocker.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:elec:relocating_gauges_5_by_choprocker.jpg?direct&300|}}|
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 Mounting extra gauges to the handlebars can provide monitoring for Head Temp, Oil Temp & Voltage.\\
-{{:techtalk:ref:elec:gauges_by_ironmick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1456449))
+{{:techtalk:ref:elec:gauges_by_ironmick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/134952-where-how-to-mount-custom-oil-pressure-gauge?t=1456449))
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